nothing can really touch these displays at least anywhere close to their price point. I love the studio display. Wish it was 32 inch though.
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Apple's Pro Display XDR is Nearly Five Years Old With No Update in Sight
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Nonsense.
I've spent hours in front of both, and unless you're actually putting them side by side the image quality difference is negligible. The main thing the Apple does 'better' is that it has a dynamic range that can get painfully bright, while the Dell can only go uncomfortably bright, and the blacks are a bit darker.
Sure there are a tiny number of people who need a $43.000 4K@120hz professional reference master display, but to most people the difference between that and Dell's flagship isn't anywhere near worth the extra money.
You really think you are Apple their target audience? The Pro XDR display was compared to this $43.000 Sony display during the keynote just to give you an idea of what the target audience of Apple is.
This is not a display made for most people.
Who says they can’t? They take HDMI. Sometimes even USB-C.
However, their pixel density is very low compared to that of monitors.
Just various links online said you get input lag and also potential screen burn in.. it always bugged me cos you can get TVs so much cheaper than monitors
It was so hilarious as Apple compared XDR to reference monitors which never ever come close to it in terms of performance and specs.
But still, Apple is the only one making professional glossy monitor under $5000 so I wish them to make a better version soon.
i'm waiting for that exact monitor actually, its basically 45inch with 5k res with oled. for side by side doc work that 45inch is far better suited than a 32inch 6k apple monitor.
You're mixing up resolutions and port types. The port types (really the only thing that matters) for computers are:
VGA (db-15), DVI, HDMI, DisplayPort, and USB-C (including Thunderbolt)
There are still adapters that can convert from/to any of the listed ports.
I was in the Apple Store this past week, picking up a laptop. I happened to look over at the XDR - it reminded me just how gosh-awful f'ugly the back of that thing is (as is the Mac Pro).
FWIW I liked the original cheese grater Mac Pro.
FWIW I liked the original cheese grater Mac Pro.
All your points make sense.
- I'm fine with no webcam as I would often have my MBP to the side with its camera, or I could instead use my iPhone as the webcam.
- Not having the same control integration would be a downside; I have read of some apps to help with that better but I'm unsure how well they work. Honestly going with anything but Apple will have this issue to some degree, although some brands work better than others.
- I will add, I forgot one more point that would be an improvement on the Studio Display—make all models VESA compatible. It is so frustrating that you have to order at time of purchase VESA mount or one of the Apple mount options. I don't think any other company does this. This is a bit too far even with my normal enthusiasm for all things Apple.
My ACD 30" is still pretty good to this day and it will be 20y next year. The only reason I have not updated is because I am still hopeful someday I can buy the XDR at half of the price or wait for a competitor to offer a 5 or 6k display larger than 30". I like the ASD but the 27" size is too small for me.
I'll have to investigate that, looks like a very new model to consider. From the looks however, I wish that some of these companies would refrain from throwing their logo on the front bezel (or at least make it smaller and more tasteful). It is so PC-esque when that happens and just ruins design aesthetics. Also, I'm not so keen on all the hardware buttons in the bottom right of the bezel—most would be used so infrequently that it doesn't make sense to give them such prominence? However, the tech specs look nice and the KVM switch would be appealing as I often need to switch between my personal computer and my work laptop.
Well you can say hello to Apple Cinema Display that came 20 years ago? Nobody uses a display for that long, and the backlit maybe dead long before the display itself. Same thing can be said about Thunderbolt port on the back though? It probably would be obsolete after 20 years except for some older, antiquated Macs which will be a vintage collectible items by that time.
Technology evolves and a monitor isn't just about the display. Why not giving it the best feature you can while it was fresh?
This being 60hz should be embarrassing to apple. What kind of "pro" display is 60hz? And yes, it does matter. The only people that say it doesn't matter are people that have never owned a display that refreshes over 100hz.f
Exactly. When you work remotely, camera quality matters. Having a proper DSLR with good prime lens and proper studio mic are worth it. They define how your coworkers see and hear you.
None of the "webcams" come close...
I have the 30” as my monitor on my standing desk, it’s still a solid display, and even just in this thread you’ll notice quite a few other folks have mentioned still using them
I've owned an Apple Pro Display XDR for a couple of months now.
It was a relatively significant improvement over the 2018 32" LG 4K display I previously used.
But the Pro Display XDR is showing its age, and it is honestly not good enough to be an "end-all" display even for office work (which is mostly what I use it for). But conceivably the next generation can be.
Firstly: its resolution highest options are limited to 3008 x 1962 (roughly 3K) or native at 6016 x 3384 where everything is extremely tiny. It needs more user-appropriate options above 3008 x 1962.
Secondly:
Max brightness (nits) needs to increase a lot. There's workarounds to increase in on the XDR displays using apps like Lunar or BetterDisplay, but my understanding is that it may wear down the display somewhat over time.
120 Hz instead of 60 Hz would definitely be welcome, but I feel 60 Hz works OK. 120 Hz found on MacBook Pro makes everything feel a lot smoother.
At the edges of the XDR Pro Display due to perspective, the brightness is lower (there's a technical term for this that I don't recall). Not a huge issue imo, but noticeable e.g. on white backgrounds.
OLED, sure.
Unfortunately the price a new Apple Pro Display XDR is far incommensurate with the benefits you are getting from it. I found a relatively good bargain on the secondary market, but despite this it wasn't cheap.
Overall, I'm quite happy with my purchase, but I think it's time for Apple to do an update ASAP.
It was a relatively significant improvement over the 2018 32" LG 4K display I previously used.
But the Pro Display XDR is showing its age, and it is honestly not good enough to be an "end-all" display even for office work (which is mostly what I use it for). But conceivably the next generation can be.
Firstly: its resolution highest options are limited to 3008 x 1962 (roughly 3K) or native at 6016 x 3384 where everything is extremely tiny. It needs more user-appropriate options above 3008 x 1962.
Secondly:
Max brightness (nits) needs to increase a lot. There's workarounds to increase in on the XDR displays using apps like Lunar or BetterDisplay, but my understanding is that it may wear down the display somewhat over time.
120 Hz instead of 60 Hz would definitely be welcome, but I feel 60 Hz works OK. 120 Hz found on MacBook Pro makes everything feel a lot smoother.
At the edges of the XDR Pro Display due to perspective, the brightness is lower (there's a technical term for this that I don't recall). Not a huge issue imo, but noticeable e.g. on white backgrounds.
OLED, sure.
Unfortunately the price a new Apple Pro Display XDR is far incommensurate with the benefits you are getting from it. I found a relatively good bargain on the secondary market, but despite this it wasn't cheap.
Overall, I'm quite happy with my purchase, but I think it's time for Apple to do an update ASAP.
I'm a professional graphic designer and video editor who needs a colour calibrated display with a minimum 5k resolution and I have a budget that could go up to $5000 on monitors, so yes I'm pretty much exactly the target audience for this. Weird that you think you know more about my circumstances than I do.
I mean, once again, OLEDs dont come in the right pixel density in that size yet (and Apple couldnt get them made custom without cranking the price up *astronomically* because yields would suck) and 120hz at 6k requires more bandwidth so that’ll probably come a bit after TB5 starts showing up on macs, right now nothing apple makes could drive that. So neither of those is a possibility right now, and not because Apple is dragging their feet on updates
So interesting to see everyone wants something else. I'm curious how big the market for these is. Personally I'd love a 32" 6K version of the studio display. Now I'm used to the size of a 32" 4K display from another brand it's hard to go back to 27". Now I don't like the scaled 4K. I also don't need all the extra features and considerable price of the XDR.
What sort of task do they need them for? I'm not a photo or video professional. I'm guessing the content these people produce (if that's the main use?) goes to a customer base who mostly use computer displays, t.v.s, etc... If that is the case, 'splitting hairs' to get an extreme level of color fidelity the end user isn't equipped to discern doesn't seem to justify that extreme cost for what sounds like very marginal benefit.
So I lack the background for context to understand and am curious as to what work meaningfully benefits from this highly expensive added level of exacting precision.