Apple's Problem No. 1

[ftaok]

Re: Re: Re: Compatibility not an issue

Originally posted by gopher
Apple won't support ActiveX because it opens you to a whole lot of possible viruses. Apple supports Java which is a much more open standard. Use VirtualPC if there is a webpage you can't browse otherwise.

Are viruses the only reason that Apple won't support ActiveX? Java is fine, but from what I've seen, the ActiveX applets seem so much more robust.

And I'm not gonna spend $200 on VPC to get ActiveX support. It's not worth it.

Hey, maybe Apple will support ActiveX in the future. Maybe not. It would be nice if they did, so that I can access my portfolio on my Mac, but there are other alternatives, I guess.

 

[Backtothemac]

Originally posted by ftaok
The whole point of this thread is "What is Apple's biggest problem" in regards to market share. I stated that the "average joe" would respond that Macs aren't compatible. I know that they are compatible (for the most part), but the general perception out there is that they're not.

The reason for that has nothing to do with Apple. Here is the reason that the average Joe doesn't know.

Because the average person in this country doesn't take the time to educate themselves with products, and the companies that make them. Period that is it. That and the 2 billion a year that Intel spends in advertising. Apple doesn't have a problem. This is what I have said from jump in this thread. The problem lies with perceived problems. To say that everything doesn't work as easy as it should is just F***ing stupid. Does everything work as easy as it should in Windoze? No. How about a 747. Is everything as easy as it should be there?

Look, there is no such thing as a perfect computer. There never has been, and there never will be. The reason is that some software company will choose not to support a certain platform, or a printer driver won't work. The fact is that you can't keep everyone happy.

Stop the B*tching. Stop the crying. Everyone has roaches.

 

[Backtothemac]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Compatibility not an issue

Originally posted by ftaok
Are viruses the only reason that Apple won't support ActiveX? Java is fine, but from what I've seen, the ActiveX applets seem so much more robust.

And I'm not gonna spend $200 on VPC to get ActiveX support. It's not worth it.

Hey, maybe Apple will support ActiveX in the future. Maybe not. It would be nice if they did, so that I can access my portfolio on my Mac, but there are other alternatives, I guess.

Man, please understand this. It is not up to Apple to support ActiveX, DirectX, or any other "standard" out there. Is it Apple's responsibility to support Cannon printers? No. It is the people that program the browsers and the people at ActiveX to support OS X, not the other way around. If you want to fire shots at someone, fire it at the people making the browsers.

Now when Apple starts making a browser that doesn't support ActiveX, then you have a legit gripe. Oh, and VPC. You can do a lot more than ActiveX. It is so worth the money.

 

[ftaok]

Originally posted by Backtothemac


The reason for that has nothing to do with Apple. Here is the reason that the average Joe doesn't know.

Because the average person in this country doesn't take the time to educate themselves with products, and the companies that make them. Period that is it. That and the 2 billion a year that Intel spends in advertising. Apple doesn't have a problem. This is what I have said from jump in this thread. The problem lies with perceived problems. To say that everything doesn't work as easy as it should is just F***ing stupid. Does everything work as easy as it should in Windoze? No. How about a 747. Is everything as easy as it should be there?

Look, there is no such thing as a perfect computer. There never has been, and there never will be. The reason is that some software company will choose not to support a certain platform, or a printer driver won't work. The fact is that you can't keep everyone happy.

Stop the B*tching. Stop the crying. Everyone has roaches.

Hey, I totally agree with you. The average joe is stupid and uninformed. It's all about marketing.

But one of Apple's slogans is "Everything is easier on a Mac". For the most part, that's true. If they're saying that "everthing" is easier, then it should be.

BTW, how do you expect someone to get educated about Macs if you all (mostly the super-high-post-count guys) attack every time some newbie asks a legitimate question?

I'm sticking with my story here. And the topic is relevant. Apple does have a problem with their market share. Will they go out of business because of it? Probably not. Will a bigger share be better? Probably.

 

[ftaok]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Compatibility not an issue

Originally posted by Backtothemac
Man, please understand this. It is not up to Apple to support ActiveX, DirectX, or any other "standard" out there. Is it Apple's responsibility to support Cannon printers? No. It is the people that program the browsers and the people at ActiveX to support OS X, not the other way around. If you want to fire shots at someone, fire it at the people making the browsers.

Now when Apple starts making a browser that doesn't support ActiveX, then you have a legit gripe. Oh, and VPC. You can do a lot more than ActiveX. It is so worth the money.

OK, about the printers. No, it's not Apple's responsibility to support Canon's printers.

About ActiveX. I did some research about this back when I got my iBook (last July). For ActiveX to work, it needs to be supported on the OS level, not the browser. For whatever reason, it's not like Java, etc. in this manner.

And for the record, I was thinking about getting VPC. Maybe just the DOS version. I have a legitimate copy of Win95 that I could put on it.

 

[Backtothemac]

Originally posted by ftaok
Hey, I totally agree with you. The average joe is stupid and uninformed. It's all about marketing.

But one of Apple's slogans is "Everything is easier on a Mac". For the most part, that's true. If they're saying that "everthing" is easier, then it should be.

BTW, how do you expect someone to get educated about Macs if you all (mostly the super-high-post-count guys) attack every time some newbie asks a legitimate question?

I'm sticking with my story here. And the topic is relevant. Apple does have a problem with their market share. Will they go out of business because of it? Probably not. Will a bigger share be better? Probably.

1st, I am not attacking you. If I were, it would be a lot harsher than it has been so far. Second. If Apple has a better market share, who does that help? You? Apple? The only thing that it could possibly do is bring some more software over to the good side of the force

Now, truthfully, everything is easier on a Mac. Put a Mac and XP box next to each other, and burn mp3's (oh, sorry can't do it on XP without spending xtra). Create a home movie, do those types of things. You will see, that everything is easier on a mac.

Will Apple go out of buisness. No, now friggin way. Not unless they revamp the whole line next year with the cube replacing everything and price it at 4,000 bucks. Apple is where they want to be. Steve doesn't want to be Bill. He doesn't want Apple to be Microsoft. He want's Apple to be a very successful company, and give plent back to the investors. That is what they are doing, and will continue to do. If they get a 50% market share, hey great, but it won't friggin happen. They are the 4th largest seller of personal computers in the world, and they don't sell PC's. See my point.

 

[Backtothemac]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Compatibility not an issue

Originally posted by ftaok
OK, about the printers. No, it's not Apple's responsibility to support Canon's printers.

About ActiveX. I did some research about this back when I got my iBook (last July). For ActiveX to work, it needs to be supported on the OS level, not the browser. For whatever reason, it's not like Java, etc. in this manner.

And for the record, I was thinking about getting VPC. Maybe just the DOS version. I have a legitimate copy of Win95 that I could put on it.

If that is the case, then Apple should add the support at the OS level. Now, as far as VPC. Go for it, it is worth if anything for when a friend says, "man, you have a Mac, they don't do anything well, they don't even run Windoze." BOOM, fireup VPC, oh, really.

As far as your copy being legit? Who cares, steal them all, rape microsoft for all that you can..

Arn, tounge firmly in cheek on this ok...

 

[ftaok]

Originally posted by Backtothemac
1st, I am not attacking you. If I were, it would be a lot harsher than it has been so far. Second. If Apple has a better market share, who does that help? You? Apple? The only thing that it could possibly do is bring some more software over to the good side of the force

Now, truthfully, everything is easier on a Mac. Put a Mac and XP box next to each other, and burn mp3's (oh, sorry can't do it on XP without spending xtra). Create a home movie, do those types of things. You will see, that everything is easier on a mac.

Will Apple go out of buisness. No, now friggin way. Not unless they revamp the whole line next year with the cube replacing everything and price it at 4,000 bucks. Apple is where they want to be. Steve doesn't want to be Bill. He doesn't want Apple to be Microsoft. He want's Apple to be a very successful company, and give plent back to the investors. That is what they are doing, and will continue to do. If they get a 50% market share, hey great, but it won't friggin happen. They are the 4th largest seller of personal computers in the world, and they don't sell PC's. See my point.

Thanks for not attacking.

As for the market share. A bigger market share would definately help out. The Mac would be a more compelling platform to develop software for. Plus, the hardware manufacturers would have more incentive to support the Mac platform. A larger share would be good for everyone involved with the Mac.

And I know that Apple is very successful. Plus, they're one of the few computer companies actually making money. That's all well and good, but to continue to succeed, you need to grow. Investors will dump the stock in a heartbeat if they didn't think that Apple will continue to grow the bottom line.

 

[Backtothemac]

Originally posted by ftaok
Thanks for not attacking.

As for the market share. A bigger market share would definately help out. The Mac would be a more compelling platform to develop software for. Plus, the hardware manufacturers would have more incentive to support the Mac platform. A larger share would be good for everyone involved with the Mac.

And I know that Apple is very successful. Plus, they're one of the few computer companies actually making money. That's all well and good, but to continue to succeed, you need to grow. Investors will dump the stock in a heartbeat if they didn't think that Apple will continue to grow the bottom line.

Well, you are right and not right at the same time. Yes, increased market share could bring more software development, but the systems, and the roll out of them would not change. Apple prides itself on people being able to use a system for longer than you can a PC. The biggest problem that Apple has is lack of reaction to preceived problems by Joe Public. That is what they have to counter, and they have to do with ads. Period. Dump some of that money, and get the word out.

 

[ftaok]

OK, I'll buy that

Originally posted by Backtothemac
Well, you are right and not right at the same time. Yes, increased market share could bring more software development, but the systems, and the roll out of them would not change. Apple prides itself on people being able to use a system for longer than you can a PC. The biggest problem that Apple has is lack of reaction to preceived problems by Joe Public. That is what they have to counter, and they have to do with ads. Period. Dump some of that money, and get the word out.

I'll buy that. I agree that the biggest problem is how Macs are perceived by the regular public. The "Myths" page is helpful, but they need to put that stuff in magazines and TV spots.

I try to convince people to get Macs whenever I can. Even went into a Gateway store and put the Apple Store up on every computer. But Apple has to meet me halfway on this and change the perception that the average guy holds.

<sigh> Maybe you're right. Maybe Apple doesn't really want to get at the average user. I don't know, I'll just continue to tow the line.

 

[eyelikeart]

Re: OK, I'll buy that

Originally posted by ftaok
I'll buy that. I agree that the biggest problem is how Macs are perceived by the regular public. The "Myths" page is helpful, but they need to put that stuff in magazines and TV spots.

u just said it right there....people are afraid of things they do not understand or that they simply just do not know...and this is a big problem Apple's been facing up to date...

they got really burned on the Mhz-Myth...they honestly shouldn't have thought that they could win over the public with selling 400-500 Mhz rated processors but claiming that they perform better than 800-1000 Mhz processors....in general...Americans just don't buy into it...

I think the problem is with people in general...not Apple....everyone wants instant gratification...and is too god damned worried about labels and what looks or sounds good instead of what really matters...

 

[AlphaTech]

Originally posted by xrhajj
Ok, get your panties out of your ass!!!! it's pretty conspicuous (get a dictionary) you can't read!!! I like Apple, I won't have bought one if I didn't!!! this is my first Apple Computer, and I was under the impresion that Apple's OSX was world class material, and I think it is, but Every ASC has told me that OS X has a problem with IE and any other Browser, and Jaguar was the solution to this problem!!! But My point still stands, I spent over $3600 for my Tibook and software to convert to Apple, and it is still not paying for itself!!!
And as far as Basketball, Your just mad Boston Blows!!!

[moderator's note: lets try to remain civil] I haven't cared about sports in many, many years, long before I moved back to MA. There are MANY finer things in life then siting in front of the tube turning your few remaining brain cells to mush.

Hmmmm $3600 for a 400MHz rev. a TiBook... I have a word that describes you... 'sucker', maybe you should watch less sports since you can't live with many less brain cells.

Have you even TRIED using netscape??? From the sound of it, you wouldn't even know how to install it, never mind use it. As for taking other people's word for things... I almost feel sorry for you, then again, I don't.

You still blame Apple for ie's code. OS X IS a world class OS, take off the blinders. IT's not ALL about web surfing. If that is all you really need to do, then you should have spent less money and gone for an iBook. [moderator's note: lets try to remain civil].

 

[Rajj]

Originally posted by Backtothemac
Rant, Rant, Rant, Blah, Blah, Blah. Look the reason that your TiBook is slower is simple, and it has nothing to do with X and Moto. Now, your Celeron, Athlon, whatever you have, has the page in cache. That is the reason that it is coming up so fast. Another thing that is the problem is IE. It really does suck. Get Mozilla and tell me that it is taking that long. If so, then my iBook 600 will blow the friggin doors off your Ti. Have you bothered to think that there may be something wrong with it. Is it jus the internet, or all apps. If it is all Apps, then it is probably a memory problem or a hard drive problem.

Look, PC's are good at some things *cough* like crashing, but there are things that Macs can do that PC's can't. So, choose a platform, and live with it. Bi@ching about it will not do anyone any good. Something you want to do with a PC, but you only have a Mac. Get VPC. It is a viable alternative. And don't say not to say get VPC. If you own a PC and want to do something Mac only, then you have to get a Mac. At least this is a viable use for Mac users.

VPC 5 blows, I have it and I would rather use my compaq notebook P2 with MMX... UMMM that's what VPC5 emulates!!!and it s still slow!! And you are just as stupid as Mr Beantown (Alpha Suck)!!!, I took My Tibook to the apple store in Newport beach,CA and Glendale, CA and they both said the same thing, that OSX has a browser problem with IE and any other!!! [moderator's note: lets try to remain civil]!

 

[Rajj]

Originally posted by AlphaTech


Get your head out of you ass... I haven't cared about sports in many, many years, long before I moved back to MA. There are MANY finer things in life then siting in front of the tube turning your few remaining brain cells to mush.

Hmmmm $3600 for a 400MHz rev. a TiBook... I have a word that describes you... 'sucker', maybe you should watch less sports since you can't live with many less brain cells.

Have you even TRIED using netscape??? From the sound of it, you wouldn't even know how to install it, never mind use it. As for taking other people's word for things... I almost feel sorry for you, then again, I don't.

You still blame Apple for ie's code. OS X IS a world class OS, take off the blinders. IT's not ALL about web surfing. If that is all you really need to do, then you should have spent less money and gone for an iBook. Dumb ass.

[moderator's note: lets try to remain civil]! I said I spent $3600 on my Tibook and software dumbass!!! And as far as Netscape, I tried it and blows just like you Alpha punk!!!! I also put my Tibook to work everyday editing picx and quicktime movies.

You need to watch sports or do something, besides jacking off with your mac obe-won

 

[Backtothemac]

Originally posted by xrhajj


VPC 5 blows, I have it and I would rather use my compaq notebook P2 with MMX... UMMM that's what VPC5 emulates!!!and it s still slow!! And you are just as stupid as Mr Beantown (Alpha Suck)!!!, I took My Tibook to the apple store in Newport beach,CA and Glendale, CA and they both said the same thing, that OSX has a browser problem with IE and any other!!! So go chew on some bricks or something before you start runnin' your fingers!!!

Ok, well you know what. Two words for you and they are not merry Christmas. VPC is slow, but it emulates at 400 mHZ on my uber iBook. It is stable, doesn't crash, and gets the job done. I gave you valid points to consider with your Ti, and all you can do is act like a 12 year old. Grow up. Oh, and check you spelling also.

 

[Backtothemac]

Originally posted by xrhajj
You need to watch sports or do something, besides jacking off with your mac obe-won

Oh, God GoCyrus is back!!!! Well, better enjoy this before Arn closes the thread. Look. I was trying to give you valid points to consider, and explain the problem to you, and possible solutions. Alpha, well, he is being Alpha, if you post inaccurate data or stuff, then you will get slamed. Now I will retire to another thread while the bombs go off in here.

 

[Rajj]

Originally posted by Backtothemac


Ok, well you know what. Two words for you and they are not merry Christmas. VPC is slow, but it emulates at 400 mHZ on my uber iBook. It is stable, doesn't crash, and gets the job done. I gave you valid points to consider with your Ti, and all you can do is act like a 12 year old. Grow up. Oh, and check you spelling also.

[moderator's note: lets TRY to remain civil]

Second, You points are inconsequential to me you vile truckstop boy!!

 

[britboy]

Originally posted by xrhajj

You need to watch sports or do something, besides jacking off with your mac obe-won

Nice to see that we can have good, adult, mature conversations here....

Try being a little more constructive with your pie-slinging.

 

[Backtothemac]

Originally posted by xrhajj



First off Country boy, I wasn't talking to you!!! so go pick some cotton or eat some red sand or something.

Second, You points are inconsequential to me you vile truckstop boy!!

Ha! This is so entertaining. Yes, you were talking to me, as I was the one that suggested that you get VPC. So, I take it that you were talking to me. As for Country boy, you damn right I am. 6'6 275 lbs of country boy that would lay the heart of dixie down on you in a second if you were here.

Dude, grow up. This is thread on an internet site. Your original thoughts were valid, but now, you are just a child.

 

[eyelikeart]

Originally posted by xrhajj



First off Country boy, I wasn't talking to you!!! so go pick some cotton or eat some red sand or something.

Second, You points are inconsequential to me you vile truckstop boy!!

dude u need to chill out a bit...

if u start kicking it on everyone in here...no one is going to like u...

 

[Backtothemac]

Originally posted by eyelikeart


dude u need to chill out a bit...

if u start kicking it on everyone in here...no one is going to like u...

True. Maybe we could talk him into coming to NOLA for the fest, and then I could teach him a thing or two about country boys. Sorry for being inmature on this, but I cannot tollerate ignorance out of people.

 

[ChilliMac]

Quicktime 6 is NOT THE FIX!

I have been evaluating Quicktime 6 for a few weeks now and here is what I've observed:

1) Streaming is much smoother and roughly 25% faster (on a Sawtooth 400Mhz)

2) Does not play many AVIs or Divx any better than Quicktime 5!

That's it!

Don't expect a revolution when r's are in short supply!

 

[Backtothemac]

Re: Quicktime 6 is NOT THE FIX!

Originally posted by ChilliMac
I have been evaluating Quicktime 6 for a few weeks now and here is what I've observed:

1) Streaming is much smoother and roughly 25% faster (on a Sawtooth 400Mhz)

2) Does not play many AVIs or Divx any better than Quicktime 5!

That's it!

Don't expect a revolution when r's are in short supply!

Actually, it is the future of QE 6 that is promising. If they can get MPEG 4 as a standard for streaming video, as well as other forms then then it will be a massive revolution. Had some extra r's so I though I would use them.

 

[AmbitiousLemon]

Originally posted by ftaok
And the QT thing. There are a lot of avi files that I got from the Internet (directly and indirectly) that I can't play on my Mac. These play fine on my PC, with no effort. To get them to work with my Mac, I'd need to convert them to a .mov file and then mess with the sound. Does that sound "easy" to you?

NOT TRUE. as i said before just because you are not willing to figure things out doesnt mean it doesnt work.

my point that ive stated,is not the 'problem' you claaim exist, as these are all rong. the problem as i stated, is misconceptions. and its hard to say its a problem in the first place because apple knows about it and is addressing it. its not like apple is blind to it.

im sorry my last post was so long as it seems clear you didnt read it.

 

[Backtothemac]

Originally posted by AmbitiousLemon


NOT TRUE. as i said before just because you are not willing to figure things out doesnt mean it doesnt work.

my point that ive stated,is not the 'problem' you claaim exist, as these are all rong. the problem as i stated, is misconceptions. and its hard to say its a problem in the first place because apple knows about it and is addressing it. its not like apple is blind to it.

im sorry my last post was so long as it seems clear you didnt read it.

Hey, glad to see you get back in the fun Lemon
Be careful though there have been a few pies going around in here as I am sure you can see by the crusts all over the floor.

You are dead solid on perfect. The perceived problems with Macs are not real problems at all, but are usually ID ten T errors. You know what those are right.

ID10T errors

Not saying that people who can't figure stuff out are idiots, that is not true. We all have not been able to figure out something. But the fact is that when people don't take the time to figure out the problems then......