Spot on. When SJ died, Apple lost the one person who would call you a ****ing loser and throw something at your head when you screwed up. The mgmt left at Apple lacks any editorial insight. It's just a bunch of back-patti g and agreement about how hard everyone works.
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Apple's Profit Downturn and Negative Customer Opinions Threaten 'Decade-Long Malaise' for Company
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Spot on. When SJ died, Apple lost the one person who would call you a ****ing loser and throw something at your head when you screwed up. The mgmt left at Apple lacks any editorial insight. It's just a bunch of back-patti g and agreement about how hard everyone works.
A good steward? Much like Donald Trump with his daddys money, if cook hadn't done a thing apple would have made even more
I don't think Apple is doomed but Tim is out of touch. He thinks that an iPad is all one needs..
It may be enough for some but Apple started out a computer company, too bad if he keeps neglecting the Mac. But sure enough Apple will survive and Tim can ride Steves coat tails into retirement.
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This is true, at least for me.
I use Apple products like the iPhone because I love the Mac OS and Macs. Not the other way around. If I stopped using Apple products tomorrow, my iPhone would be the easiest to let go.
Because a CEO getting snippy with an analyst asking a gently skeptical question IS news. Another notable time this happened was right before Enron imploded. Go watch The Smartest Guys in the Room. Apple's finances aren't a fraud, but Tim is a liar and people are finally catching on.
Die-hard Apple user for 10 years. Heavy investor for 10 years. Apple is definitely changing from what they used to be. Six months ago I started selling off chunks of their stock and am continuing to refine my exit strategy to minimize tax implications, but I am withdrawing my investment.
Believe what you will, but I am putting my money where my mouth is.
Believe what you will, but I am putting my money where my mouth is.
Couldn't have put this better myself. Usually on these forums there's a lot of sticking up for Apple, even when things are a bit questionable. (I'm partial to doing that as well.) But there's just no excuse for a Mac Pro that's 3 years old with no updates. Their update cycle sux. You're right though, it wouldn't take much. Let's hope Tim and the gang wow us at the top of 2017.
Do you really think the markets care about Apple's cash horde ?
It's all about growth or currently lack thereof. Growth comes from new product lines, not rhymes on themes.
Anymore YoY revenue and/or profit declines and the stock will be slashed in half in short order.
I hear this argument a lot on this forum.
When it comes to saying Apple is doomed, it depends on context. I think Apple is doomed means their products went to crap. If that is the case, Apple is on their way.
As for doomed is a business way, I do not think any company is immune to that, but yes, it might take a while for Apple. But that doesn't mean they are a good company.
Really? Seems to me they're selling more than they ever did under Jobs.
Member iPod? Member when steve made iPhone?
Yeah I member iPhone.
Member iMac? Member iTunes?
Yeah I member iPhone.
Member iMac? Member iTunes?
I don't think Apple is as concerned with making the products they want to use, to paraphrase Jobs. Owning their latest products, I'm still satisfied, but there are enough rough edges where I'm worried if the higher ups are using them, too, and thinking more about making things marketable than making them work the way we want. There's so much potential with the iPhone, Watch, Siri, etc. that still isn't being realized. Feels like baby steps are being made instead of big leaps. They need a paradigm shift with iOS 11.
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But I still love Apple stuff more than Android and Windows. Easy.
Stock can receive a hit but my point is that even if you remove iPhone and iPad sales, Apple continues to be one of the most profitable companies in the world. It's not a one-trick pony like many portrait.
Those billions can be used to pay dividends for many more years to come, keep Apple out of bad debt and continue to reap dividends since its being invested (its not sitting inside a vault).
This!
Steve always looked at the big picture, as well as nitpick the small details, but betting on the iPhone as the sole breadwinner is just repeating historical mistakes made by Nokia, Blackberry, etc.
Services was never their strong suit even under Steve.
They always made boring computing hardware cool and fashionable, but they never forgot about the engineering side.
Nowadays it's fashion first and foremost.
The next big thing Steve told us about in his biography was to be Apple TV. No, not the hockey puck, but the vision of unifying and simplifying the TV industry from a customer perspective, similar to dragging the Music industry out of the dark ages. Tim pretty much abandoned that approach because he doesn't have the negotiating skill and power of persuasion that Steve possessed.
So here we are. Calls to the board to fire Tim or others would be a futile move unless a new visionary is waiting in the wings.
Huh? What rock are you living under? They *have become* a one-trick pony. You remove iPhone revenue alone and they're dead in the water.
No fund manager will leave their portfolios with Apple because of dividends. Steve never doled out dividends or offered buybacks. That's all Tim's financial wizardry. Those dividends will be easily trumped by share price losses.
OMG no new MacPro!!! Apple is doomed!
At some point you all are going to have to realize we are almost at the point in time SJ told us about: world without desktop PCs. If Apple is going to focus on beefing up its cloud services, some things will have to be dropped.
If/when macOS goes mobile, Macs will be dead. You know that right?
What? macOS *is* mobile. Look at all those lightweight laptops.
iOS is basically a locked/cut-down version of macOS.
I am going to hate moving away from MacOS. Please Apple, fix this mess you are in by 2017.
FYI: I am fine with the iPhone and probably will keep purchasing iOS devices (except your forgotten iPod Touch) for at least 5 years at your current innovation rate.
FYI: I am fine with the iPhone and probably will keep purchasing iOS devices (except your forgotten iPod Touch) for at least 5 years at your current innovation rate.
When The Street is announcing anything, "the smart guys" have already placed their bets.
However, as we all saw in the late 90s and again in 2008, hyping financial derivative products while at the same time selling into the market gave rise to the anti-street attitude a lot of people have nowadays.
What do you call Apple laptops?
I do not think Macs will be dead anytime soon.
Even when/if this ever comes true, then Apple will most likely be dead to me too. I use Apple products because I love the Mac OS. If that goes, the other products will be easily replaced.
I can't imagine why. Mediocre & sub-par product line-ups for their laptop & desktop Macs. An asinine obsession with thinness over function. Mediocre software for all their products. More heavily focused on things (coffee table books, social causes, workplace diversity to appease people like Jesse Jackson etc) than their core product lineups.