There is a term for what you are doing, its called moving the goalposts. You keep changing your argument to avoid simply admitting you were wrong. Its that simple.
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There is a term for what you are doing, its called moving the goalposts. You keep changing your argument to avoid simply admitting you were wrong. Its that simple.
How do you STILL not have unlimited SMS/MMS in your supposed progressive country? Is this a Brexit thing?
How do you still use SMS/MMS? Nostalgia?
Messengers are better in every way and there is simply no need for inferior services, whatever the cost (free here, but of course never used).
iMessage doesn't keep me with apple but is an added bonus and when you do use so many devices it is useful to have certainly for photos/videos.
They are one in the same. If you send an iMessage to someone that doesn't have an iOS device it sends it as an sms, otherwise it sends it as an iMessage.
No one does. But the fear of incurring a cost of messages was what led people to use inferior messaging apps in its place. iMessage is an extension of SMS/MMS and most importantly a default. No sign ups. No phone number requirements. No downloads. No peer pressuring your friends and family into downloading a third party app.
WhatsApp et al simply wouldn't exist if there wasn't a fear of incurring cost of messaging. We thought we rid ourselves of the MSN/AIM era when we went mobile, but because of telcos we are now stuck with this mish mash of incompatible messaging systems AGAIN.
And of course: No cross-platform
The inferior messaging app is actually iMessage. You think falling back to archaic tech is a plus, but this only leads to less innovation and a broken experience.
I’m not sure what is your issue with the built in Messages app for Apple’s devices. Cell phones has to support the SMS and MMS standard, or service providers will not support the phone nor allow the phon on its network.
Apple just tweak the default messages app with its own spin, like what they always do.
Old money doesn't care man.Um, congratulations?
Apple products are known to be status symbols regardless of whether the individuals purchasing them are of "higher" or "lower" status (so much to unpack by bringing an individual's status up... I'll just leave that alone).
Apple knows their brand, and manages their products accordingly. Hence $700 computer wheels.
Ok:
1) All these services are not for free abroad. Go on a vacation with your friends (50% Android) and text/send images/call when in a hotel/restaurat over WiFi or when using the friend-who-has-data's tethering.
2) Contacts sharing (vCard), often didn't work when sent as text
3) Share live locations among friends, e.g. when on a skiing trip with 20 people.
4) Group features
5) online/offline status, received/read message status
6) Public profiles + profile photos, share with Android
The iMessage iOS experience is not great, but the cross-platform experience just sucks. The fallback is unusable compared to a proper implementation such as WhatsApp or Telegram. I don't know what is so difficult to understand about the situation in the US where people live in iOS bubbles compared to the rest of the world where (especially younger) people have dozens of Android peers.
nearly every phone package is unlimited sms these days in the UK.
what I want to know is why your country still has bandwidth Capped internet packages as standard?
I can see your points from an end-user POV.
But from Apple's POV, they only care about their own eco-system. They do not care about cross-platform usability. It is also true of Google when developing Android. This is the reason why third party solution is thriving.
On your point of when on vacation, you have to realise that instead of SMS/MMS, you're substituting it by using data roaming. SMS/MMS is a tool by the service providers to milk as much revenue from their infrastructure. It used to earn service providers a lot of money until solution like WhatsApp appeared. Since then, they realised to compete, their now give unlimited SMS/MMS.
I suppose Apple chooses their battle carefully and the care only about their own eco-system. Most of the features you listed above are available in iOS, just not all in one single app.
I think in the US, people prefer calling rather than messaging? That could explain why WhatsApp is not popular and maybe SMS is already good enough.
What other platform would that be? Just because it works on iPhone, Mac and iPad doesn't mean it's cross-platform. SMS/MMS is cross-platform, but it really isn't a comparable product.
I really like iMessage and I use it when I can, but I'm not sure why other solutions would be "inferior." Yes it's a default on Apple devices, but only there. Apple doesn't support it anywhere else. It's simply not accessible to the majority of phones sold globally. So I don't have to pester my friends to download a free messenger, just into buying an at least £400 phone, but that's of course different somehow.
The actual standard that could move us away from incompatible messengers across devices and borders is RCS, but Apple isn't supporting it.
Well, this might come as a bit of a shock to you, but once you cross the US border there's an entire world to explore. People here have consistently acknowledged that the situation in the US is different, in addition to a few other places like Australia. Are you surprised that things elsewhere might not be as in the US? Boy have I got news for you.
Anyway, I think people here consistently overstate how much better iMessage is, which might make sense if your only comparison is SMS/MMS. Most people don't have a Mac, not every Mac user cares about Mac integration, and the desktop apps of WhatsApp, Signal or Telegram meet the needs of many.
You ask why would you use a product your phone supports natively, people elsewhere might ask why you use a product that only works with specific devices. It just works.
If you're firmly in a WhatsApp environment, there really isn't any impact on usability. I don't need to know whether my friends and colleagues use an iPhone. Integration with other text messages? Apart from 2FA and messages from businesses, I've received a single one over the last three years or so. Why would I care whether my social conversations are integrated in that.
I think as far as Europe and many other places are concerned, iMessage is (unfortunately) an irrelevant product with very little reason for that to change.
I don’t see any reason to stay just for iMessage. While I use messages, does it really have to be iMessage. I text both iPhone people and android people using messages. Some are blue and some are green. How is this a big lock-in? Most people don’t take advantage of the special features of iMessage.
Same with some of our friends. They have iphone. We have iPhone but they insist on sending us texts using what’s app.
It doesn't really have anything to do with iPhone. My wife has an iPhone but literally all her conversations are on WhatsApp. From her point of view, I'm the annoying one forcing her to use a secondary messaging application by insisting on Signal or WhatsApp. She doesn't really care whether iMessage is native or not.
Can’t say I’ve ever encountered this. SMS messages are free on most plans, and it’s important to keep it available if you ever want to send text messages to anything that isn’t an Apple device.
Turning off “MMS Messaging”, which I’m pretty sure has always been off on every iPhone I’ve ever owned, will be sufficient to avoid carrier charges for picture messages, etc.
Well, you can make calls through WhatsApp too. In fact I’d say the majority of my phone calls come through WhatsApp or FaceTime now days!
I actually like iMessage, but literally nobody I know uses it, not even people who have iPhones.
Everyone I know uses WhatsApp or Telegram
On the contrary everyone I know uses iMessage as long as it’s available. WhatsApp only when iMessage isn’t an option.
So after all these replies I think we've established some people use it loads, others not at all, and several could not give a flying **** what messaging service people use.
I for one feel thoroughly educated.
I for one feel thoroughly educated.
Apple Music is a product in and of itself.
iMessage is a feature of iPhone (and iPad, Mac, Watch, etc.)