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They won't. But they won't sell much less either. At the very best Mac user base grew 10% in the last 7 years.

The mac market share is ridiculous and the iPad is sinking even when the iPhone is selling record numbers. The app Store is purely iPhone, as the accessories are. So, let's say, 0,3*8% services, 0,9*13% Macs, 0,7*8% iPads, 0,6*6% other. That makes 23% of what it's now being really optimistic IMO, and declining.
 
The mac market share is ridiculous and the iPad is sinking even when the iPhone is selling record numbers. The app Store is purely iPhone, as the accessories are. So, let's say, 0,3*8% services, 0,9*13% Macs, 0,7*8% iPads, 0,6*6% other. That makes 23% of what it's now being really optimistic IMO, and declining.

Don't confuse marketshare with sales. iPad sales are decreasing, not the marketshare. Mac marketshare usually grows year over year, although very slowly. iPhone is selling record numbers not because it's more successful than the Mac as a product, but mainly because smartphones are selling tons more than computers. Last time I checked Apple still had the biggest profits in notebooks and was the first or second biggest notebook manufacturer in the world.

Apple is selling around 5.5 million macs every quarter. That makes around 22 million macs every year. The total amount of computers sold in the world in 2015 will be approximately 260 million.

Comparably they are selling around 220 million phones a year. And approximately 1.4 billion smartphones are sold in 2015.

22 out of 260 is 8.5%

220 out of 1400 is 15%

I wouldn't say the Mac is doing terrible while the iPhone is selling record numbers. Yes the phone has higher marketshare but Mac is doing just fine.

Nobody expects Apple to sell 220 million macs in one year, that would be like shipping almost all the worlds PC's.

Anyway I'm off.
 
Biggest company in the world, growing like a startup, record revenue, record earnings, record gross margin, $234B in revenue in a quarter whereas Steve Jobs was impressed by $50B A YEAR just five years ago.

A warchest big enough to colonize and terraform Mars.

Yet, little people on forums whine about the company cannibalizing itself with a much more profitable product.

Apple Inc, doomed since the 80's.
 
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Hey, sure, living without oil, cars, health care, even Google, is comparable to living without a premium smartphone.

Please note that there are parts of Africa where people will buy a smartphone before they buy a car (if ever), oil, or get any decent health care into their village (other than mosquito nets). Reportedly, they prefer farcebook to google. A lot of new premium iPhones are sold in the 1st world because a lot of their cast off iPhones are ending up in these 3rd world places. So, yes, given the large fraction of a Billion population in central Africa, more than comparable.
 
My concern with this, is a huge portion of what is keeping Apple going, is only the iPhone. Granted IMO it's the best mobile phone in the market, all things being equal, it will soon meet it's end. All things are like that. Even I as an Apple device lover can grasp this.

Question is, what is Apple going to do to diversify it's products?

I think there are a lot of us that are questioning the same thing. I was surprised at the small iPad sales even though they have been saying that iPad sales have stagnated over the last 18 months. Here's hoping Apple finds something something new in the next 5 years or they might be the next Nokia/Blackberry
 
Because everyone wants to know how the Watch is doing. Looks like Apple's "Other" category grew by 1% since the 3rd quarter earnings report, if the numbers I"m seeing elsewhere are accurate. Went from 5% of the total earnings to 6% of the total earnings, and that has to be driven almost exclusively by the Watch. And that's up 2% year over year, and 1% from the previous quarter. So it looks like the Watch may be responsible for close to a steady 1% quarterly growth of the "Other" category, so theoretically 4% growth by March?

But keep in mind the Other category included a major iPod Touch release which likely led to a huge spike by anyone who's been holding out for a new one. It also includes the TV which got a huge spike from the price drop. It also includes Apple Music which would have had 6 million subscribers pay up during this quarter, as well as ap store downloads, MP3s and everything else. So there's a lot of other things to dilute the watch.

It also includes all Beats products.
 
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I said it before but I'll say it again. Do you think they'll sell the same number of accessories if they stop selling iPhones? The same number of services? The same number of Macs iPads and Apple TVs? Really? Don't be naive.

Accessories, no. The rest aren't really related at all. I could easily use my iMac or MacBook Air with no iPhone. Same for my AppleTV. Same for my (sold now) iPad. Services would obviously go down a lot without iPhones, but most of that stuff? Not really.
 
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If anyone wants to say that Apple is a "one-trick pony", then people should say the same about Google. More than 90% of Google's revenue comes from advertising (Google Search). Every other product/service that has come since Search has been designed to boost advertising revenues. It's designed to have more people using Google's services in order to get people to click on ads. People are getting carried away with Google's pet projects like self-driving cars and smart contact lenses to a point that they're forgetting that those things are just that-projects. They're not producing any revenue and they're certainly not doing anything for Google's bottom line.

It seems that Apple has a perception problem. The price of a stock reflects people's perception about future prospects. People have been saying for years that the iPhone would eventually die out. But as Apple has shown, such a statement is as meaningful as saying that everything that is born has to die some day. In spite of this, investors believe that the iPhone has little staying power. They believe that the iPhone empire can crumble in the blink of an eye. To a certain extent, they're right. Consumer electronics is a risky business in which the market leader can become an also ran overnight. But people are convinced that all it will take is one misstep for the iPhone to start its decline. Until Apple's financial position shows staying power, investors will continue to be lukewarm about the stock.
 
"Apple's guidance for the first quarter of fiscal 2016 includes expected revenue of $75.5-77.5 billion and gross margin between 39 and 40 percent."

77 Billion as opposed to 51 billion ? Apple must be expecting one heck of a holiday season.

Anything less than 77 billion is very very bad news for Apple investors.

77 Billion is the low end of expectations and thats why you saw the stock tank today.

Shares of Apple AAPL are down 5% from three months ago, compared with a dip of 0.5% for the Dow Jones Industrial Average.
 
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Anything less than 77 billion is very very bad news for Apple investors.

77 Billion is the low end of expectations and thats why you saw the stock tank today.

Shares of Apple AAPL are down 5% from three months ago, compared with a dip of 0.5% for the Dow Jones Industrial Average.
Actually the stock is now up slightly after hours so I'm not sure what tanking your referring to.
 
As a result as always Apple shares go down? What a load of rubbish, record profits, still amazed how it goes down
 
Over here in Singapore used, out of warranty iPhone 6 non-S non-Plus 64GB are going at the same price as a brand new S6 32GB. Android is simply too good at the budget category that their premium offerings is already more or less an irrelevant segment.
 
Actually the stock is now up slightly after hours so I'm not sure what tanking your referring to.

The stock opened higher than what its currently trading in after-hours anyways. Don't get me wrong, it was a great quarter, just the guidance they gave is on the low end and that muted any positive movement in the stock today.
 
The stock opened higher than what its currently trading in after-hours anyways. Don't get me wrong, it was a great quarter, just the guidance they gave is on the low end and that muted any positive movement in the stock today.
The stock ended the day lower before earnings were even released. The stock is up after hours about what it was down today.
 
Search engines get better when more people use it. Less people use Bing so it's less smart than Google. If a moment comes that more people start using Bing, or Yahoo or whatever, they will become as good as Google in very short time. They all use similar algorithms, Google doesn't own any secrets to do better search. Same with services. If there's a demand away from Google, I wouldn't worry that it'll be met very quickly by some other company.

Well, I now think that Google is near useless, so if they're the best, there is not much hope. And stop trying to guess what I really want to search... You're ALWAYS WRONG. Give me back control on my searches Google!
 
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Perhaps with this many sales the market will be nearer the point where sales slowdown as demand is met, with a huge number that have two or three phones per person. There was an article a few months back reporting the unexpected fact of how many households have more than one resident with three or more phones. A true phenomenon.

If this years holiday selling season goes as it did last year, reaching partial market satiation is sure to result. That'll be very good news for those of us convinced that iPhone 7 will be Apples true blockbuster product. Supply targets should be easier for Apple to hit and deliveries may flow faster.
 
I doubt it. They even re-used an old processor design in the Watch. The Watch marketing expenditures might have been bigger.

Vast amounts of Apple's R&D money is likely going into other things (not just cars) such that many new R&D employees can't even post their job titles. Apple may or may not get lucky with their new R&D; but as Edison proved, dogged effort sometimes leads to (getting the credit for) big new inventions.

Well, Edison's research labs tried what 1000 filaments to get the lightbulb right (the lightbulb obviously had already been invented)... Guess he was there to sign his name on the check is all that matters.

IBM dominated computing for 40 years through the shear size of its research lab so Apple could do that and get 15-20 years of piece of mind at least :).
 
Well, because they released the iPhone. Once they release a game changer like the iPhone was, then we'll be able to relax for another several years. But the thing is, when will that be? Wasn't that supposed to be the Apple Watch? Maybe it will be the car, but until then...
My question is: Why do you think the Apple Watch was a game-changing device?

Secondly: What do you expect to happen in the next five years to drastically alter the way people communicate, and make the iPhone irrelevant? Is there some writing on the wall that only you can understand?
 
Except the facts don't back this up. On the conference call Cook said 30% of iPhone sales this quarter were coming from another operating system (i.e. Android). As long as smart phones are necessary there will be a place for iPhones. if google.com didn't exist tomorrow I would just go to Bing. My life really wouldn't change that much.

But what would you do if Apple disappeared?
 
If they cut it to 8 GB people would still buy it in record numbers.
I guess my thoughts on that would be...if they did, what would that be to you? I mean...really.

If the quality and brand of Apple, iOS, OS X and the like has built that kind of customer loyalty, I mean, you individually may not like it, but if people buy it and are satisfied with the product...so what? You as customer buy other stuff that works for you.

I mean, what goes up must come down. A market cannot grow forever. Short of seeding humanity throughout the solar system and other galaxies, the Earth market is only going to get so big. When smartphones become ubiquitous to the point they become cheap appliances, Apple will have moved on to some other profitable product sector...or not, and they would then decline as a company. Other more innovative, flexible companies will rise in that absence...or not.

As long as we have stable civilizations for the next couple of decades, Apple will be able to sell smartphones until the smartphones become something else.
 
Apple continuously is able to beat expectations.. Pretty much every time. No disputing that. Still have serious questions in regards to the direction of the company, however. I have pretty disappointed in their product launches over the last 18 months.. There seems to be a fundamental shift in the how the company is operating in regards to prioritizing incremental improvements over substantial innovation.
I disagree, i don't think there has been any incremental updates in the last 18 months.

Force Touch on iPhone 6s, brand new tech never done before! Totally new internals and 50% increases in performance. Hardly incremental!
Haptic clicking on macbook pro, thin macbook keyboard and design, tiered battery tech! all these are massive internal upgrades.
Apple watch, not my thing but new and not incremental.
Apple tv, apps, new interface, new remote, total redesign and potential to compete with consoles!
Apple pay, apple music, loads of new services again not incremental updates.
Apple pencil, iPad pro, you could argue this is incremental but a stylus is totally new and has features even professional styluses lack.
Whole new product categories on the way with apple car seeming like a reality with all the rumours to back it up.

I really think you are totally wrong.
 
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