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Apple's Redesigned Mac Pro Now Available for Online Orders

ericmooreart said:
I'm not saying Apples machine isn't fast. I'm saying its over priced and not suitable for a high end user who would spend money for the top of the line system. Its basically a Mac Min on crack, speed and steroids
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But it isn't overpriced. The sum of its parts is only about 10% less than the actual cost. It is a server machine with dual enterprise graphics cards and PCIe-based hard drive, and it has 6 separate thunderbolt controllers. You can compare the cost of the bare cpu for a desktop to the cost of a bare CPU for a server, the difference is thousands of dollars. You can compare the cost of a bare high-end user graphics card from nVidia to the cost of two enterprise workstation graphics card from ATI, and the difference is thousands of dollars. But that doesn't make the Mac Pro overpriced, it just makes the cost very high.

I agree Mac Pro is not for a high-end or pro user, it is for enterprise use.

I ordered a Mac Pro this past weekend, I am hoping an early February ship date. Fingers crossed.
 
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Larry-K said:
You don't know what a server is or does, do you?
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A server machine can be used for just about anything. Any tunnel-vision perspective of the purpose of a server machine is just a mindset and not the actual use or definition of a 'server' machine.

I've been at jobs where the entire company was logged into one server - all the employees of the company logged in to their machines as a remote login to the server (so basically just a keyboard, mouse, monitor, and dirt cheap box used to remote in). Today's servers can virtualize just about any resource including hardware resources as well as providing services. I've seen servers used as rolling-build machines, web servers, servers for .NET communication framework services, etc.

It really doesn't matter what the server is used for, if the OS has direct access to the GPU and is able to used it like the main CPU as a shared general computing device in addition to using the GPU to drive graphics (which is even easier with two GPUs), then all that extra horsepower of the graphics cards will be put to good use.

Go look up the $4,000 Intel Xeon Phi card and then tell me you can't put a GPU in a server to good use.
 
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This is so overpriced.
It is more cost then my PC I built in my moms garage.

The part list is: 1, 2, ..., n.
Price list was: $x, ...

So overpriced. U payin evil apple 50 billion dollars in apple instead of just paying intel, amd, Samsung for their markup on parts as well as newegg, amazon, etc retailers on theirs.

I didn't take economics in hs so I don't know why it costs moar.
 
CodeJingle said:
A server machine can be used for just about anything. Any tunnel-vision perspective of the purpose of a server machine is just a mindset and not the actual use or definition of a 'server' machine.

I've been at jobs where the entire company was logged into one server - all the employees of the company logged in to their machines as a remote login to the server (so basically just a keyboard, mouse, monitor, and dirt cheap box used to remote in). Today's servers can virtualize just about any resource including hardware resources as well as providing services. I've seen servers used as rolling-build machines, web servers, servers for .NET communication framework services, etc.

It really doesn't matter what the server is used for, if the OS has direct access to the GPU and is able to used it like the main CPU as a shared general computing device in addition to using the GPU to drive graphics (which is even easier with two GPUs), then all that extra horsepower of the graphics cards will be put to good use.

Go look up the $4,000 Intel Xeon Phi card and then tell me you can't put a GPU in a server to good use.
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It's hopeless, have fun with your "Server Machine", be sure to attach a monitor, why, I don't know.
 
Konrad9 said:
So you're telling me it is literally impossible for you to ever want to upgrade? This computer will last you for the rest of your life?

And that even if it didn't, it would be literally impossible for an upgrade to be more cost effective than buying an entirely new system?

How about we have this conversation again, but this time you don't lie to justify terrible design decisions that put form over function.
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Learn to read and process info. I am buying the computer that is good for me right now. 4 to 5 years is hardly "the rest of my life" (hopefully).

I am always up for a good conversation (with disagreements included) about technology but let me tell you that I have no desire or need to defend my purchase decisions or capabilities with anyone, particularly someone so narrow minded as yourself.
 
marioguarneros said:
Learn to read and process info. I am buying the computer that is good for me right now. 4 to 5 years is hardly "the rest of my life" (hopefully).

I am always up for a good conversation (with disagreements included) about technology but let me tell you that I have no desire or need to defend my purchase decisions or capabilities with anyone, particularly someone so narrow minded as yourself.
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Yes, I am so narrow minded! How dare I want to have the ability to upgrade or replace components on my own.

If you want to have a good conversation, take off your fanboy blinders and start again.
 
Larry-K said:
It's hopeless, have fun with your "Server Machine", be sure to attach a monitor, why, I don't know.
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Thanks. I ordered one Sunday morning. I won't need to attach a monitor to take advantage of the GPU capability of the server, I just need OpenCL and I can terminal into the machine from another computer to do maintenance. I think the future of computing will be based on the GPU architecture. Tianhe-2 supercomputer gets most of its horsepower from Xeon Phi cards which are based on GPU architecture, so you could say the architecture of the latest Mac Pro is similar to the most powerful supercomputer in the world.
 
sirio76 said:
I see no lies in there, dropping money to upgrade a 4 years old computer is just silly for me too. If you have to upgrade your GPU, your hd, your CPU and your ram, why don't you buy a brand new computer? It could be even less expensive than upgrading sometimes.
By the way, ram is upgradable, ssd is upgradable, CPU is upgradable, and the GPU are likely replaceable with some cards coming in the same format.
Also if you think that's form over function, you have clearly no knowledge about the laws of physics.
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Maybe I'm not the norm, but I will buy a new machine every three years. PC is the same way. Eventually new technology comes out that cannot just be upgraded unless you replace MB, CPU, memory,etc. then it would just be stupid not to buy a completely new PC. I don't think Mac Pro is any different. Now buying a new PC or macpro just to bump CPU speed is financially irresponsible but generally in three years intel changes the architecture.
 
dirt_farmer said:
Haha these poor naive 2013 people.

Had they only known that the same god damn thing would sit in the store for half a decade.
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I don't think you understand the definition of naive. My 2009 and 2013 Mac Pro both work just fine to this day.
 
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alphaod said:
I don't think you understand the definition of naive. My 2009 and 2013 Mac Pro both work just fine to this day.
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I was referring to committing to an ecosystem on the good faith assumption that the vendor would continue to support it with hardware. (And software!)

A fool and his money...
 
dirt_farmer said:
I was referring to committing to an ecosystem on the good faith assumption that the vendor would continue to support it with hardware. (And software!)

A fool and his money...
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I also recently picked up a used 2013 Mac Pro for sub-$2k... it's exactly what I needed.

What's not supported? It runs exactly the same software as the brand new iMac Pro.

In 2019, when a completely re-designed Mac Pro replaces it... that's a new product. Doesn't take anything away from the 2013 model. I wouldn't expect a computer to last more than 5 years or so anyway.... just for the sake of the pace of technology advancement.
 
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CLS727 said:
I also recently picked up a used 2013 Mac Pro for sub-$2k... it's exactly what I needed.

What's not supported? It runs exactly the same software as the brand new iMac Pro.

In 2019, when a completely re-designed Mac Pro replaces it... that's a new product. Doesn't take anything away from the 2013 model. I wouldn't expect a computer to last more than 5 years or so anyway.... just for the sake of the pace of technology advancement.
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You bought *use* 5-year-old hardware for more than a few hundred bucks? For more than half the new cost?

Reality Distortion Field...ENGAGE
 
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