or...you know... a more sensible reason: plenty of consumers became fine with the base ram
If half the cars on the road could only do 30mph, then no one would "need" to drive 65 because no one would be able to.
or...you know... a more sensible reason: plenty of consumers became fine with the base ram
You're making a strawman argument. I don't disagree that a few pc games (of which most are unoptimized console ports) require more than 8gb of RAM. I merely said I don't know of any in one line of a post with a larger point.You said, and I quote "I don't know of a pc game that requires a pc with more than 8gb of RAM." I proceeded to list a game I had a personal experience with, then you replied with "I don't need an argument against it because I don't disagree there is 1 pc game that has a problem with 8gb of RAM."
Seems to me like YOU are the one who isn't understanding here...
It's a fact that there are multiple games requiring more than 8GB now despite your direct quotes indicating that there isn't even one, then that there was one after I gave an example (classic moving the goal posts behavior), and that number will grow larger. So I list a few more and still that's not enough for you despite a couple comments earlier claiming you didn't know of even one game needing more than 8GB, more goal post moving. That is advancement in RAM requirements for games, it's slower change, but that is not a plateau.
To your Steam users comment, there will always be older games to play on steam that require 8GB or less so that proves nothing, but new games are starting to require more and more than half of the people have more than 8GB. Those people with 8GB will be playing old games because they quite literally can't play the new titles I listed. The need for more ram is slowing down, yes. But it hasn't plateaued and it's incorrect to say it has at this point. We are just at that tipping point where 8GB is still OK for some people, but that 16GB will need to be the norm very soon. This is why I've been saying it's a bad idea to buy a new computer with 8GB, because that new computer needs to last a number of years STARTING now. If you had a friend wanting to build a new gaming computer today would you recommend they only get 8GB of RAM? Hell no, they probably want to play those new games...
how in the hell do we get people defending a company like we're talking about their moms ?
And it's still flat since 2012 🤔.
Because technology of RAM is improving at exponential scale.What dishonest graphs. Why is the X-Axis logarithmic? 🤦🏻♂️
Wrong and it's in reverse.Caveat: M series computers use unified memory. The performance you get from 8 GB of unified memory is closer to what you used to get from 16 GB of standard RAM with Intel Macs.
The base RAM model is the one they have in stock at Apple Store and resalers.or...you know... a more sensible reason: plenty of consumers became fine with the base ram
and the fact that unified memory costs more than standard memory to implement
and you know...combatting sky rocketing prices...
and flash storage became fast enough for swap....
and so on..
but go ahead, write confirmation bias so that we can feel good about hating on Tim Cook, mr David Schaub
That was because of two things, first its was time Apple started to use soldered RAM, second that 8GB was sufficient to run MacOS without much swap caching for most casual users. Back then I made a choice to go with 16 GB soldered RAM because of first its not upgradeable, second the chance of swap caching decreased greatly, also it supposedly lengthen the life of the SSD involved by reducing the amount of read/writes to the SSD. There's another issue back then not to select the smallest SSD also in addition to the smallest RAM config for maximizing the life and usefulness of the Mac.Apple used to regularly increase the base memory of its Macs up until 2011, the same year Tim Cook was appointed CEO, charts posted on Mastodon by David Schaub show.
e-waste is as low as it ever has been. upgrade cycles are as long as they have been. REcyclability is as high as it has been. The devices themselves are as small as they have been.This means the 8GB e-waste is where Apple generate the most profit.
Upgrade cycles are a lot slower than they used to be. And most here crying about e-waste and life and usefulness of Macs probably don't have 10 yr old Macs if you my get my drift.That was because of two things, first its was time Apple started to use soldered RAM, second that 8GB was sufficient to run MacOS without much swap caching for most casual users. Back then I made a choice to go with 16 GB soldered RAM because of first its not upgradeable, second the chance of swap caching decreased greatly, also it supposedly lengthen the life of the SSD involved by reducing the amount of reed/writes to the SSD. There's another issue back then not to select the smallest SSD also in addition to the smallest RAM config for maximizing the life and usefulness of the Mac.
M7.Talking about LPDDR6 RAM… when do you expect Apple to jump into that memory type? M4? M5? M6?
Caveat: M series computers use unified memory. The performance you get from 8 GB of unified memory is closer to what you used to get from 16 GB of standard RAM with Intel Macs.
These AS platform Macs are a joy to use comparably and one could use them for years until they die. They are just in raw performance so much better than a decade ago. So hopefully this perception contributes to much longer ownership and less e-waste.Upgrade cycles are a lot slower than they used to be. And most here crying about e-waste and life and usefulness of Macs probably don't have 10 yr old Macs if you my get my drift.
You're right, but they are high-end computers. A low-end computer is around the $600 mark, half of what they're charging for the Air. Maybe 8GB is fine at $999, but at $1,799 it's just impossible to swallow.Apple keeping to 8GB in low-end computers is a joke at this point.
I can’t wait for the Fanboy Pro that replaces all physical RAM with virtual memory.Timmy should decrease RAM to 4GB base because some Apple fanboy also said 8GB is enough
Personally 4GB still enough too.
My MacBook Air M2 after boot RAM is Full and use SWAP memory.
Apple Cupertino you should listen your customer please decrease RAM to 4GB
or separate new line for fanboy only. Only lightning for charger Two USB-C port with bumblebee keyboard, 4GB of RAM, Dual core CPU without heatsink and fan
Yep. 👍🏼 Soldering RAM and SSD then using very very small quantities produces a machine that will physically wear out faster as well as being outgrown by its users faster. Win for Apple if they earn quicker repeat sales, but a loss for consumers, and a loss for the environment.That was because of two things, first its was time Apple started to use soldered RAM, second that 8GB was sufficient to run MacOS without much swap caching for most casual users. Back then I made a choice to go with 16 GB soldered RAM because of first its not upgradeable, second the chance of swap caching decreased greatly, also it supposedly lengthen the life of the SSD involved by reducing the amount of reed/writes to the SSD. There's another issue back then not to select the smallest SSD also in addition to the smallest RAM config for maximizing the life and usefulness of the Mac.
Well, if I recall correctly, Intel was researching a type of memory so fast that could be used both as SSD and RAM, so no RAM would be needed and, at the same time, RAM was virtually infinite. They released a few models but they never achieved what they initially promised with Optane.I can’t wait for the Fanboy Pro that replaces all physical RAM with virtual memory.
Optane was cool, but given that it was faster & more expensive than SSDs, but slower than RAM, it never really found a niche.Well, if I recall correctly, Intel was researching a type of memory so fast that could be used both as SSD and RAM, so no RAM would be needed and, at the same time, RAM was virtually infinite. They released a few models but they never achieved what they promised with it.
Where's the EU with some new legislation when you need them? 😉