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Apple's Return to Intel Rumored to Extend to iPhone

Imagine using M series with Intel fab and the chip using for vision pro your head probably gonna exploded
 
BarrettF77 said:
When are they gonna get that cancer called Tim Cook out of that company!

Intel is the main reason they started making their own chips.

Why would you go back to the same worthless trash company that can’t adhere to thermal thresholds causing overheating repeatedly

That’s one of those companies that just should’ve been left to die

It’s been a good run Apple if this is what you end up doing because many of us are probably not gonna stick with your brand
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You've not understood this story at all...

 
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In the very near future TSMC may not be a viable partner due to outside events that won't be the fault of TSMC or Apple. Intel being able to step in/step up will be crucial for supplies to the West.

If they can deliver a quality product, there's no reason not to.
 
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spunkystrawberries said:
Small Rant: Every time one of these stories drops, headlines like “Apple’s Return to Intel” make me wince a little. Sure, the article eventually clarifies that Intel isn’t designing anything here, but the headline alone frames it as some dramatic reversal, like Apple suddenly bailed on Apple Silicon and went crawling back.

For people who actually follow this stuff, we know better. We read past the headline, we care about the architecture, the supply chain, the roadmap, all of it. But for everyone else, it sends the wrong signal.

When Apple used Intel chips before, they were genuinely dependent on Intel’s roadmap, stuck moving only as fast as Intel could innovate. That’s not remotely what’s happening now. This time, Intel is simply one of several manufacturers building Apple’s chips. Apple still owns the design, the direction, and the pace. The headline just doesn’t reflect that reality.
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So are you suggesting that Macrumors is using sensational headlines for clickbait?
 
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JPack said:
Samsung vs. TSMC was voluntary competition. This Intel vs. TSMC is forced due to politics, meaning Apple has to accept Intel output regardless of the quality of the results.

It will certainly be more noticeable. Unless you mean Apple will quietly ramp down clocks or disable cores to accommodate Intel's lagging process tech.
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If Intel cannot deliver in terms of performance and cost (yield), then no political "power" will keep them alive as they will need far more than Apple for that.
How Apple will approach design, performance differences and such is all speculation for now until we see real products
 
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spunkystrawberries said:
When Apple used Intel chips before, they were genuinely dependent on Intel’s roadmap, stuck moving only as fast as Intel could innovate. That’s not remotely what’s happening now. This time, Intel is simply one of several manufacturers building Apple’s chips. Apple still owns the design, the direction, and the pace. The headline just doesn’t reflect that reality.
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Accurate and informative headlines are a lost art. Today, it is all clickbait, hot takes, and engagement farming.

Normally, I would discount this because this is a “rumors” site, but you even see this problem on professional “journalistic” sites as well. We’ve all become a slave to the algorithm.
 
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JPack said:
Samsung vs. TSMC was voluntary competition. This Intel vs. TSMC is forced due to politics, meaning Apple has to accept Intel output regardless of the quality of the results.

It will certainly be more noticeable. Unless you mean Apple will quietly ramp down clocks or disable cores to accommodate Intel's lagging process tech.
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“Now Expects” when analyst Jeff Pu writes it basically means,”I want to get in on this Intel speculation. I’m as sure as anyone that Intel is going to fail, but this might make our ad revenue look better for the quarter. And, by 2028, we’ll be making up so much NEW stuff, no one’s going to remember that this didn’t happen.”
 
I think what Apple wants Intel to do is demonstrate they can make the "standard" A20 SoC using a 2 nm process and stay within Apple's power consumption guidelines. If Intel can pull it off it means Apple now has a second source for future 2 nm process SoC's besides TSMC.
 
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BarrettF77 said:
When are they gonna get that cancer called Tim Cook out of that company!

Intel is the main reason they started making their own chips.

Why would you go back to the same worthless trash company that can’t adhere to thermal thresholds causing overheating repeatedly

That’s one of those companies that just should’ve been left to die

It’s been a good run Apple if this is what you end up doing because many of us are probably not gonna stick with your brand
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Thanks for telling us you didn’t read the article.
This might shock you a little bit… But apple doesn’t actually *produce* the chips they use, just like they don’t produce the displays, cameras, etc they use.
They designed them, which is very different from producing them.
Apple is not returning to Intel *designed* chips.
 
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I suppose the angstrom unit is preferred over picometers for some reason. must be a reason , 5 angstrom reads better than 500 picometer. go figure
 
BarrettF77 said:
When are they gonna get that cancer called Tim Cook out of that company!

Intel is the main reason they started making their own chips.

Why would you go back to the same worthless trash company that can’t adhere to thermal thresholds causing overheating repeatedly

That’s one of those companies that just should’ve been left to die

It’s been a good run Apple if this is what you end up doing because many of us are probably not gonna stick with your brand
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They are not going back to x86 they are going to have Intel build the chips they design. Foundry services not Intel designed chips. So they are less reliant on TSMC.
 
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jz0309 said:
If Intel cannot deliver in terms of performance and cost (yield), then no political "power" will keep them alive as they will need far more than Apple for that.
How Apple will approach design, performance differences and such is all speculation for now until we see real products
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They will need to make a judgement on the savings against tariffs vs the quality and brand impact.

Saves billions per year but the lower end devices run a few degrees warmer and 5% slower, that's probably going to be ok for the overwhelming majority who don't surf Macrumors in order to find things to be annoyed about.

I expect it will be "close enough" to TSMC quality, all things considered.
 
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Arg, intel is crap I don’t want it in my mac. The last intel I had was the modem in the iPhone, it simply doesn’t work and would randomly cut out, only fix was a reboot, just to have it stop working again after 30 mins…
 
Howard2k said:
They will need to make a judgement on the savings against tariffs vs the quality and brand impact.

Saves billions per year but the lower end devices run a few degrees warmer and 5% slower, that's probably going to be ok for the overwhelming majority who don't surf Macrumors in order to find things to be annoyed about.

I expect it will be "close enough" to TSMC quality, all things considered.
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I do not expect the same chip (let's just say the A22) to be fab'd at both foundries at the same time. So yea, to take your example, the "Intel A22" will get s "modest" performance bump over the "TSMC A21" ...
 
Didn't Apple actually dislike working with Intel in the past? They must have gotten a very good deal if that's real.
 
Click bait article and clear 1/2 the people here don't understand this or read it:
1. Apple is not going back to x86
2. The rumor is Intel as a FAB just like TSMC is a FAB. ie making apples chips, for apple

I mean, why wouldn't they expand opportunities to others outside of TSMC if there are viable competitors. Whether that latter fact is true, remains to be seen. Intel has not done well or figured out how to be a fab.
 
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