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Apple's Revised Plans for New Flagship San Francisco Store Will Keep Fountain, Tweak Facades

arctic said:
That fountain will also come in gold.
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lleyts said:
would look 'beautiful' IF they coated it with a nice champagne gold coating…
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thasan said:
noooooo...u calling it wrong mate !
its Champagne. :D
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JAT said:
If it was spurting champagne, it would definitely be more popular.
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Champagne Fountain, FTW!

inscrewtable said:
1. The fountain could be moved ...
2. With regards to the wall, it could simply have had a mural painted on it...
3. Pushing the stockton glass wall back into the building rather than the flush effect that was intended sort of ruins the whole concept. This is just some sad committee members gone mad with power.
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I've never seen so much micromanagement by the city, critiquing the architecture. You'd think it was a horrendous monstrosity designed by an adolescent.
 
I like the fountain. Art isn't supposed to please everyone. In fact, there would be a problem if everyone loved the sculpture, just as with any piece of art. In my opinion pictures really don't to this particular fountain justice. You have to see it in person to get the full effect. And even then, you still might not like it. I appreciate that steps are being taken to preserve the sculpture instead of bulldozing it for another ultra streamlined box of glass and cement.
 
Really, after seeing that picture, I truly hope they find a way to remove that fountain....it's UGLY.
 
Chuck-Norris said:
if u designed something and someone wanted to move it or somehting, wouldnt u be upset?
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Not if I was dead, and not if what I'd designed is so fugly and out of place that it really needs to be nuked from orbit and obliterated from memory.

But SF is a remarkably reactionary place. ANY sort of change merits months and years of whining and obstructionism by the Anti Destination League. Really, the place develops odd sentimental attachments to all manner of crap. Just check out the shrines to the puerile droppings of Keith Haring.
 
wow after reading all the top comments, it's so easy to see why Apple fans think the world revolves around them and apple products and whoever disagrees is an ******* and should quickly submit themselves to Apple.

and what the hell does this have to do with Jobs / Cook (Jobs would've never given in? wtf are you people talking about...)

This is not even talking about Android. sheesh :rolleyes:
 
kingtj said:
The fountain isn't terrible, in and of itself. In fact, I'd say it's pretty artistic. But it clashes pretty badly with the stark, clean lines and structure of anything like an Apple store.
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So in other words it's just the jarring differences in style/design like how Safari 3 looked on Windows (especially Vista). That is a good way to put it.
 
hurric said:
wow after reading all the top comments, it's so easy to see why Apple fans think the world revolves around them and apple products and whoever disagrees is an ******* and should quickly submit themselves to Apple.

and what the hell does this have to do with Jobs / Cook (Jobs would've never given in? wtf are you people talking about...)

This is not even talking about Android. sheesh :rolleyes:
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You are the one defining Apple 'fans' by those comments.

The reality is that many other Apple 'fans' don't share these opinions and don't act like that, but you don't count them as fans.

You're essentially arbitrary selecting posters to validate your premise that Apple fans are ... (whatever you think).
 
such an ugly fountain get rid of it

its not modern btw its hideous postmodernism

let the homeless find a different place to bathe
 
Casiotone said:
You are the one defining Apple 'fans' by those comments.

The reality is that many other Apple 'fans' don't share these opinions and don't act like that, but you don't count them as fans.

You're essentially arbitrary selecting posters to validate your premise that Apple fans are ... (whatever you think).
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Well, count me as one Apple fan who is embarrassed to be associated with the many knee-jerk jerks who also count themselves as Apple fans. Every time this or a similar subject comes up, these pages are full of misguided comments from people who seem to have "Apple can do no wrong" as a guiding principle for their lives. Most of them have probably never thought seriously about art, architecture or city planning ever before in their lives, but if Apple is involved in a dispute about them, the answer is clear, and their opinions are instantly validated. So they think, anyway.

On this subject, I think Apple blundered badly by proposing to remove a fountain designed by a nationally renowned artist who is especially beloved in San Francisco (and who just died, for crissakes). It makes the company look crude, insensitive, and arrogant. Maybe that's a quality some Apple "fans" like to see in their favorite company -- but not me. Maybe they should take a page from Apple's response, and recognize their mistake. Any chance of that, I wonder?
 
IJ Reilly said:
A little bit of actual knowledge about Ruth Asawa for all of the instant art critics:
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Hmm...I can only assume that the "instant" means this comment is snarky and pretentious.

But everyone is an art critic, are they not? There's nothing special about critics, either. Everyone has to identify their own taste. And if someone's art isn't interesting to many people, they won't go see it.

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Parasprite said:
So in other words it's just the jarring differences in style/design like how Safari 3 looked on Windows (especially Vista). That is a good way to put it.
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Have you seen Office 2013 with any version of Windows?
 
Alumeenium said:
such an ugly fountain get rid of it

its not modern btw its hideous postmodernism

let the homeless find a different place to bathe
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Um no, its Brutalist, which is kind of in-between.

Part of the reason the fountain looks the way it does is because Ruth had school children from around San Francisco help her make the plasters that the molds were cast from. That's obvious to anyone who actually takes the time to look at it. It represents children's view of the city from a time long before most of you were born. From a time when the city actually had a fair number of children, unlike recently.

Yes the stairs are a problem, that type of brick work is dated. Of course that was not the original plan for the steps, they were originally supposed to be black granite. Lets hope the artist's original intentions will be better served with the new plan.

Besides its not like Apple's original building plan was perfect. It was unimaginative and concerned only with maximizing interior retail space. That's its prerogative, its also the city's to help make it better fit with its goals whatever they might be right now.

You all bemoan the Levi's store, well that is exactly what gets built when the city does not care. They did not then, they were trying to survive. Things are different now.
 
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JAT said:
Hmm...I can only assume that the "instant" means this comment is snarky and pretentious.

But everyone is an art critic, are they not? There's nothing special about critics, either. Everyone has to identify their own taste. And if someone's art isn't interesting to many people, they won't go see it.
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Meaning, people who very likely don't normally think about art suddenly have strong opinions about one particular art object -- apparently for no other reason than Apple is involved in a dispute about it. Sure, everybody is a critic -- but it helps to know something about what you are criticizing, if you want your criticism to be seen as something more intelligent than garden-variety spew.

So, I put up a couple of links about Ruth Asawa, for anyone who would like to know more about the person and her art. How snarky and pretentious of me.
 
Yay!

Yay! I love that fountain -- it's part of the heart of SF, and I thought it pretty weak when Apple wanted to move it.

Complain all you want about how ugly it is [YES, it's ugly], but much like SF, it's a celebration of the city and is inclusive of everyone (and everything) that makes SF what it is. I think this is a good move by Apple, and will only serve to strengthen the significance of that space.

The juxtaposition of the Asawa fountain against the new Apple store will be a lot like this city: the center of future technology & design juxtaposed against the multiple faces of the city and society. Very SF, and very happy it's staying. :):apple:
 
I hope one of Apple's construction cranes accidentally knocks it over. Oops!

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chestercheetaz said:
Complain all you want about how ugly it is [YES, it's ugly], but much like SF, it's a celebration of the city and is inclusive of everyone (and everything) that makes SF what it is.
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You got all of that from a fountain, eh?

chestercheetaz said:
The juxtaposition of the Asawa fountain against the new Apple store will be a lot like this city: the center of future technology & design juxtaposed against the multiple faces of the city and society. Very SF, and very happy it's staying. :):apple:
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I other words, keep the city ugly and in a state of disrepair. Okay, I got it.
 
IJ Reilly said:
Meaning, people who very likely don't normally think about art suddenly have strong opinions about one particular art object -- apparently for no other reason than Apple is involved in a dispute about it. Sure, everybody is a critic -- but it helps to know something about what you are criticizing, if you want your criticism to be seen as something more intelligent than garden-variety spew.

So, I put up a couple of links about Ruth Asawa, for anyone who would like to know more about the person and her art. How snarky and pretentious of me.
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I guess bigotry is ok if it doesn't involve genitals or skin color. Mine is short people. They make me nervous.
 
The long glass front on the store is really interesting. It almost looks like a giant toaster oven.
 
rowspaxe said:
San Francisco is the most over-rated city in the US. If there is an inch of public space not bathed in urine and vomit I didn't see it. Retard leftest zeigeist is now normative throughout the US. Its a pity to see the US in general, and California in particular, in free fall decline.
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Sounds like your tour began and ended on 7th Street. That was your mistake. 7th Street in most big cities is a toilet.
 
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