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Time to screw up the last great Mac notebook from Steve Jobs era. RIP MagSafe, glowing Apple, SD card slot and a reliable quiet keyboard.

Agreed. As a writer, I'm open to buying well-engineered Mac laptop, but in recent years I've grown skeptical that Ives & Co. have any clue about what that means. It means:

  1. Forget thin. This is a laptop. Make it sturdy. I write on it. I don't slice bread.
  2. Don't deceive. For Apple that typically means a base model that's useless unless supplemented by more RAM and storage at twice or three times the market price. That I refuse to buy.
  3. Magsafe. I often write at libraries. I don't want an expensive gadget flying off the table. Why is Apple dumping its best ideas?
  4. A keyboard I don't hate. I type a lot.
  5. Numerous ports, including regular USB and ethernet. My life is complicated enough already. I'm not going to lug a dongle about.
  6. I will say that I don't care if it has that glowing Apple logo or not.

And yeah, I know the chances of Apple giving me those are so slight, I'm not even planning to budget for this one.
 
It must be great to bow down to every board room decision that Apple make without question. Fact is there was plenty of complaints when the non Retina unibody MacBook Pro was discontinued. It was the last Mac to include a Superdrive. It was the last Mac that was entirely user serviceable. It had properly laid out scissor mechanism keyboard. It had USB 3.0 and Thunderbolt 2. It had MagSafe. It had adequate ventilation. It was a workhorse.

And yet it wasn't as popular.

in favour of producing fashion accessory Handbag Macs

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Yes, like FireWire, it's moving slowly into obscurity.

No. Unlike FireWire, USB-C will eventually replace USB-A and -B. Maybe it'll take a decade, but I have no reason to believe it won't happen.
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Thing about the Y series is if you provide it a U-series's cooling, it acts like a U series, the silicon is virutally identical but for the TDP setting. Similarly a U series can be TDP-down'ed to 7W, and act every bit the Y series.


So just to throw the possibility out there, an actively cooled Macbook Budget with a Y series would still act as a U series on processor performance, especially as Apple has long removed any TDP caps and just let things run within their thermal constrains.

Just a possibility if the 15W chips with the combination of parts they want isn't out yet. Granted I think it's most often the reverse with the Y being refreshed later.

That doesn't help because there is no Kaby Lake Refresh-Y or Coffee Lake-Y, and none of Cannon Lake (which will likely feature a -Y), Whiskey Lake or Comet Lake are out yet.

There simply isn't a newer CPU at this point.

(edit) I forgot Amber Lake (because this is getting crazy-confusing, Intel), and Amber Lake-Y may ship any day now.
 
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I didn't mean Apple should make a router, but a USB hub that can connect to Macs via 802.11ad.
Apple has shown no interest in creating that sort of peripheral in the past. Having done some reading, 802.11ac is going to be the state of the art for quite a while. When a successor does emerge, it will most likely be 802.11ax, not 802.11ad.

Many here on these forums have expressed interest in an Apple Wireless Server that would hold iTunes purchases that could be streamed throughout the house, cache Software Updates, perform Time Machine Backups for iOS and macOS, etc. Apple's answer to that is - iCloud and the ever expanding services revenue that they can gain from bundling those services into macOS, iOS, and tvOS.

I think Apple is done with wireless anything outside of the hardware that absolutely requires it as a base feature.
 
Apple has shown no interest in creating that sort of peripheral in the past. Having done some reading, 802.11ac is going to be the state of the art for quite a while. When a successor does emerge, it will most likely be 802.11ax, not 802.11ad.

802.11ad is not a WLAN spec, unlike ac and ax.

That said, I don't see the big benefit in ad compared to a USB-C or Thunderbolt dock.

Many here on these forums have expressed interest in an Apple Wireless Server that would hold iTunes purchases that could be streamed throughout the house, cache Software Updates, perform Time Machine Backups for iOS and macOS, etc. Apple's answer to that is - iCloud and the ever expanding services revenue that they can gain from bundling those services into macOS, iOS, and tvOS.

Plausible.
 
As long as it has the same form factor and useful ports (and lacks the crap butterfly keyboard) it'll have some succes as a thin-and-light packing some quad-core punch underneath.

If Apple can cool it properly, of course.

Agreed. The tapered, angled chassis of the MBA is the nicest thing to work on, it's a shame they didn't adopt it in the MBP redesign. The MBA body & keys are firm, solid, and reliable, which belies the machines diminutive stature. Size-wise it's at a point of diminishing returns anyway and is not so desperate to shave off tenths of a mm that it justifies sacrificing functionality.

The existing 13" body could easily fit a 15" display, and the old 11" body could fit a modern 13" display. Make them higher res/antiglare, throw a quad chipset, 16GB of ram & even halfway decent graphics in there and include existing MagSafe, a couple usb3 ports, & 3.5mm headphone jack, and... it's the MacBook Pro everyone actually wanted.
 
Agreed. The tapered, angled chassis of the MBA is the nicest thing to work on, it's a shame they didn't adopt it in the MBP redesign. The MBA body & keys are firm, solid, and reliable, which belies the machines diminutive stature. Size-wise it's at a point of diminishing returns anyway and is not so desperate to shave off tenths of a mm that it justifies sacrificing functionality.

The existing 13" body could easily fit a 15" display, and the old 11" body could fit a modern 13" display. Make them higher res/antiglare, throw a quad chipset, 16GB of ram & even halfway decent graphics in there and include existing MagSafe, a couple usb3 ports, & 3.5mm headphone jack, and... it's the MacBook Pro everyone actually wanted.

It would be the greatest thing if they actually kept the old chassis and just upgraded the internals and screen. The MB Air is nearly the perfect laptop in so many respects, changes are just going to make it worse.

Apple has always had great industrial design, the problem now is that the industrial designers have way too much power and there's no longer an adult in the room to bring them back to reality -- that was what Jobs did so well. I suspect that future Apple laptops will continue to get less and less functional.
 
Thing about the Y series is if you provide it a U-series's cooling, it acts like a U series, the silicon is virutally identical but for the TDP setting. Similarly a U series can be TDP-down'ed to 7W, and act every bit the Y series.


So just to throw the possibility out there, an actively cooled Macbook Budget with a Y series would still act as a U series on processor performance, especially as Apple has long removed any TDP caps and just let things run within their thermal constrains.

Just a possibility if the 15W chips with the combination of parts they want isn't out yet. Granted I think it's most often the reverse with the Y being refreshed later.

Unfortunately, once Intel introduced quad-core U-Series CPUs, they instantly turned the Y-Series into an outlier in Intel's existing lineup. I am NOT saying that it is a useless CPU now - what I am saying, is that it makes the value proposition of a Y-Series 13" MacBook a non-starter for many Mac users and I think for Apple as well.

1) I think Apple wants a quad-core 15w U-Series CPU in the 13" MacBook as the cost difference between the Y-Series and the 15W U-Series is $13.00 USD per unit (Core i7-7Y75 vs Core i7-8650U, Core i5-5Y54 vs Core i5-8350U) and certainly even less in the quantities Apple buys.

I agree with you that the Intel part has not been released and I believe Apple may have asked Intel for a custom part with Iris Plus GPUs, which is waiting in the wings for the Whiskey Lake refresh to be launched. If not, then Apple has decided that the Intel Graphics UHD 620 is going to be good enough and certainly better than the Intel HD Graphics 615 in the 2017 12" MacBook.

2) Apple does not tend to TDP up or down as much as unlock, and I think the challenge they are facing is getting a 15w U-Series to stay cool without fans before they introduce a 13" MacBook, because they still want to have the thinnest 13" on the planet to boast about.

In order to have this, they either have to stay with a 5w TDP or figure out how to passively cool a 15w TDP. Huawei did it with it's MateBook last year and it didn't work out all that well, and so Apple will simply wait until they have it right before they release it.

3) Unfortunately, the current and future (Amber Lake) Y-Series CPUs cannot compete performance-wise with the 7th- or 8th-Gen 15w U-Series no matter how you cool them, TDP up, et al. Their single-core and multi-core performance cannot match even the 6th-Gen 15w U-Series, if we lay all our cards on the table.

That being said, I maintain that the 12" MacBook, 13" MacBook Air AND the nTB 13" MacBook Pro will all be replaced by this computer. The only model I am not 100% sure of is the 12" MacBook, which I think would continued to be called a MacBook and receive the Amber Lake Y-Series once they are released.
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802.11ad is not a WLAN spec, unlike ac and ax.

That said, I don't see the big benefit in ad compared to a USB-C or Thunderbolt dock.



Plausible.
Correct! While 802.11ad is not a WLAN spec, that hasn't stopped TP-Link or Netgear from releasing 802.11ad routers. As a matter of fact, I just bought a Nighthawk X-10 (R9000), but it sure was not for the 802.11ad support.

There is no benefit, given 802.11ac being as pervasive and cheap as it is now, and that for the most part, the majority of users do not have access to a broadband connection fast enough to surpass the throughput of their wireless router and clients.

I have worked in and out of networking since 1995 and I am just now at the point where I see the real possibility of 10Gbps Ethernet becoming more mainstream, especially in a business environment, but not really in the home environment. My opinion is that 10Gbps makes a few companies a LOT of money selling uplinks between big chassis switches and access switches, and they have tried to keep prices up, while the market is looking to lower the costs.

I think Thunderbolt 3 docks with 10Gbps (like the Akitio) hold some promise. Time will tell.

At least for now, I think wireless standards are going to remain pretty static.
 
With all the debates we’re going over if the processor of this new machine will be fan-less or not, no-one really seems to want the Air to be thinner - they just want it properly updated. And the Air of course uses a fan.

So who can doubt that something like this will sell like hot cakes at the entry level?:

- i5 U series processor & GPU for light productivity tasks/light gaming (in x3 speeds) w/ fan
- 8 GB ram (up to 16) & 128 GB SSD (up to 516) - all soldered to the motherboard.
- same retina screen as the current MB
- x2 USB-C (ok no one wants this but it’s likely what we’re getting) & headphone jack
- 12 hour battery life
- redesigned air ‘wedge’ shaped chassis
- and a curve ball here - I’m betting that the keyboard is going to be similar to this year’s iPad Smart Keyboard.
- trackpad from the 13 inch MBP
- all for $999 starting price.

EDIT: I wouldn’t be surprised if we see x2 i5 U 15w processor configs with x1 i7 U 15w at the top end (with a slight reduction in battery life). This will then almost certainly mean that the MBP escape is toast.
 
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Yes! My dream mac, a bit different from yours, is something like the current 15” Macbook Pro, same screen and general size, but using a 15W cpu and no discrete gpu. 16gb ram, 512gb ssd. And fill all the extra available space with battery to get a true 10hr battery life.

Same! I'd even be OK with 8gb RAM and 128gb SSD if it meant material savings.
 
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Isn’t it interesting to think that if Apple was just using its own A class chips in this Mac all of these issues (which chip, thermals) would likely not be a problem.
Yes, there would be much more other problems that are much worse. 3rd party dev support? You can say goodbye to that.
 
Yes, there would be much more other problems that are much worse. 3rd party dev support? You can say goodbye to that.

I didn't mean right now - I really meant when when marzipan is up and running

Imagine if we're writing this in early 2020.

It would be pretty reasonable to assume that an entry level consumer laptop would be one of the first machines to go to ARM as you'd expect a typical user to be using the common light productivity apps (MS Office, iWork & iLife etc.) - plus no doubt some key apps from the iPad where you can bet that Apple is working with their devs to get these over to Marzipan.

So yeah, no-one would want an ARM Mac right now - but in early 2020, I think it's going to be a different story.
 
Perhaps something to account for is the fact that registered 5 new Macs with the Eurasian Economic Commission (EEC) - effectively Russia - and two of them have been revealed as the MacBook Pro 15" (A1990) and MacBook Pro 13" with touchbar (A1989).

If this were a more ordinary cycle you might imagine that we're getting a refreshed 12" MacBook, 13" MacBook Air, and non touchbar 13" MacBook Pro. But of the three remaining model identifiers A1931 and A1932 appear be one family and A1988 would be closer to the already released MacBook Pros.

This could mean the replacement for the Air skews closer to the MacBook family than to the MacBook Pro family.

Judging from the existing rumours about a low cost replacement for the MBA and the often discussed we might expect the Amber Lake CPUs 5w to be going into the 2018 MacBook but why would Apple want to use Kaby Lake refresh CPUs such as the i5-8250U which was released last year when it will potentially be replaced?

Could this be part of the way that Apple get a nice discount on using a mature CPU that Intel should be able to deliver in big quantities? One other point is that the 2017 followed the 2016 fairly quickly - a July release after an October release - a factor in this was the late arrival of the Skylake CPU in the 2016 MacBook Pro whereas the 2017 arrived in good time when the Kaby Lake CPUs were available.

If, indeed, Whiskey Lake (with its reputed 'good' UHD620 graphics benchmarks) has arrived too late to go into the MacBook Air replacement that's a blow that could be softened by a hefty discount to help Apple hit a price point.

My feeling here is a whole new MacBook Pro range could be viable as of June 2019 if they are moving on e-ink keyboard technology (a story since denied) to 'solve' the butterfly switch issue by inventing something different - moving forward instead of back.

Back to the five aforementioned Macs that were registered with the EEC. The top two have been revealed. We can expect a 12" MacBook at the bottom but the fact that there appears to be two more models on the cards rather than one in terms of merging the MBA and nTB MBP lines because Intel haven't come up with a 15w CPU with Iris Graphics.

Here's where things get interesting though - would there be a market for a 15" MacBook?

I'm thinking it could use the i5-8259U from the MacBook Pro 13" with no GPU placed into a 15" body shell with 8Gb RAM, 256Gb SSD and $1999 price tag. RAM would max out at 16Gb LPDDR3 while storage would max out at 512Gb SSD to protect the MacBook Pros. Would Apple dare to put 4 Thunderbolt ports in this?

And would they use 2 Thunderbolt 3 in the 13" MacBook while putting 1 in the 12"?
 
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Perhaps something to account for is the fact that registered 5 new Macs with the Eurasian Economic Commission (EEC) - effectively Russia - and two of them have been revealed as the MacBook Pro 15" (A1990) and MacBook Pro 13" with touchbar (A1989).

If this were a more ordinary cycle you might imagine that we're getting a refreshed 12" MacBook, 13" MacBook Air, and non touchbar 13" MacBook Pro. But of the three remaining model identifiers A1931 and A1932 appear be one family and A1988 would be closer to the already released MacBook Pros.

This could mean the replacement for the Air skews closer to the MacBook family than to the MacBook Pro family.

Judging from the existing rumours about a low cost replacement for the MBA and the often discussed we might expect the Amber Lake CPUs 5w to be going into the 2018 MacBook but why would Apple want to use Kaby Lake refresh CPUs such as the i5-8250U which was released last year when it will potentially be replaced?

Could this be part of the way that Apple get a nice discount on using a mature CPU that Intel should be able to deliver in big quantities? One other point is that the 2017 followed the 2016 fairly quickly - a July release after an October release - a factor in this was the late arrival of the Skylake CPU in the 2016 MacBook Pro whereas the 2017 arrived in good time when the Kaby Lake CPUs were available.

If, indeed, Whiskey Lake (with its reputed 'good' UHD620 graphics benchmarks) has arrived too late to go into the MacBook Air replacement that's a blow that could be softened by a hefty discount to help Apple hit a price point.

My feeling here is a whole new MacBook Pro range could be viable as of June 2019 if they are moving on e-ink keyboard technology (a story since denied) to 'solve' the butterfly switch issue by inventing something different - moving forward instead of back.

Back to the five aforementioned Macs that were registered with the EEC. The top two have been revealed. We can expect a 12" MacBook at the bottom but the fact that there appears to be two more models on the cards rather than one in terms of merging the MBA and nTB MBP lines because Intel haven't come up with a 15w CPU with Iris Graphics.

Here's where things get interesting though - would there be a market for a 15" MacBook?

I'm thinking it could use the i5-8259U from the MacBook Pro 13" with no GPU placed into a 15" body shell with 8Gb RAM, 256Gb SSD and $1999 price tag. RAM would max out at 16Gb LPDDR3 while storage would max out at 512Gb SSD to protect the MacBook Pros. Would Apple dare to put 4 Thunderbolt ports in this?

And would they use 2 Thunderbolt 3 in the 13" MacBook while putting 1 in the 12"?

I think that you're spot on about the i5-8250U. And I guess the Kaby Lake Refresh will just about be current by the time that these machines are released, too.

We all (well, most of us) care about having the latest processors in our machines - but this machine is obviously aimed at the sort of people who don't care about this.

And I mean no disrespect to those people, either. Why should most people care?

If the message is the below, Apple is going to sell loads of these machines to upgraders/college students/people who just want a portable Mac laptop to browse the web, email, edit photos and videos etc. etc. - you know, most people :)
  • There's a new Air replacement (whatever its's called) for your beloved ageing Air!
  • The screen is like the ipad
  • The processor is LOADS faster - everything is faster
  • It's just as light with great battery power
  • The keyboard is great and durable (umm, we all hope)
  • It looks the same as your Air
  • And it's the same price!
 
Perhaps something to account for is the fact that registered 5 new Macs with the Eurasian Economic Commission (EEC) - effectively Russia - and two of them have been revealed as the MacBook Pro 15" (A1990) and MacBook Pro 13" with touchbar (A1989). … We can expect a 12" MacBook at the bottom but the fact that there appears to be two more models on the cards rather than one in terms of merging the MBA and nTB MBP lines because Intel haven't come up with a 15w CPU with Iris Graphics.

All these Macs have been registered with macOS 10.13, and as both the MacBook series and the non-TB MBP still are being sold with the (failing) second keyboard revision, this suggests that a release of A1931, A1932 and A1988 is imminent. So is it possible that the MacBook Air successor isn't as close as we're all hoping, and instead we're going to see silent updates to the current MacBook series and the non-TB MacBook Pro in the next few weeks?

(Personally I'm in a very frustrating situation: a family member wants the cheapest possible Mac laptop and cannot wait longer than 2-3 weeks, and I'm having a really hard time suggesting to buy a MBA)
 
(Personally I'm in a very frustrating situation: a family member wants the cheapest possible Mac laptop and cannot wait longer than 2-3 weeks, and I'm having a really hard time suggesting to buy a MBA)


Maybe a refurbished/used MacBook Air could be the best (possibly temporary) solution?
 
All these Macs have been registered with macOS 10.13, and as both the MacBook series and the non-TB MBP still are being sold with the (failing) second keyboard revision, this suggests that a release of A1931, A1932 and A1988 is imminent. So is it possible that the MacBook Air successor isn't as close as we're all hoping, and instead we're going to see silent updates to the current MacBook series and the non-TB MacBook Pro in the next few weeks?

(Personally I'm in a very frustrating situation: a family member wants the cheapest possible Mac laptop and cannot wait longer than 2-3 weeks, and I'm having a really hard time suggesting to buy a MBA)

Good spot with the macOS revision. It's entirely feasible that Apple could release something prior to the next macOS in October, they might even slip in during the Back to School promotion depending on how low Apple will let stocks run on the 2017 models.

There's a Q3 results call today so Apple may want to release the lower end Macs into Q4 so it gets the full benefit of the sales rush - it might also explain the inability to use the Whiskey lake CPUs if they aren't arriving in volume or aren't discounted enough for Apple.
 
Good spot with the macOS revision. It's entirely feasible that Apple could release something prior to the next macOS in October, they might even slip in during the Back to School promotion depending on how low Apple will let stocks run on the 2017 models.

I am quite convinced that Apple has little interest in selling models with failing keyboards if they have to replace them for free, as it will cost them their profit on that hardware. My 2016 MBP had a keyboard with a few sub-optimal keys, and they swapped the entire top case including batteries, so that's quite an expensive repair (plus, the new keyboard already had a sticky space bar within the first week).

The only way to not admit that the keyboards are poorly designed (which most likely is relevant for the current lawsuits) and to prevent additional replacements is to refresh all models as quickly as possible. I therefor wonder why they didn't release the remaining three models at the same time they updated the TB-MBPs. What hardware could be worth that wait?
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Maybe a refurbished/used MacBook Air could be the best (possibly temporary) solution?

Certainly, but Tim Cook just said "treat users well" in the earnings call, and selling hardware that's 2+ years old for the same price as back then is just not a nice way of treating customers. Even with $100 off a refurbished unit that's still very expensive for hardware that's old and outdated. I know it's not Apple-esque to discount old models prior to a refresh, but not refreshing hardware for such a long time is something I don't want to support with a purchase.
 
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I therefor wonder why they didn't release the remaining three models at the same time they updated the TB-MBPs.

Because suitable newer CPUs don't exist, so there is no meaningful upgrade to be made.

They're not gonna release all-new models just to change the keyboard.
 
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Because suitable newer CPUs don't exist, so there is no meaningful upgrade to be made.
So why did Apple register five new model numbers with macOS 10.13 a month ago? That's not something you'd do unless you're already in production and plan to sell these models *prior* to the release of 10.14 – and two of these five have already been released.
 
Does anyone have a link to any authority on the release date for new models of this or the MacBook Air?

Just the likely month would be useful – about to pull the trigger on a new portable and I need to do it before the end of my tax year.

Thanks!
 
Does anyone have a link to any authority on the release date for new models of this or the MacBook Air?

Just the likely month would be useful – about to pull the trigger on a new portable and I need to do it before the end of my tax year.

Thanks!
There’s no authority, October is the best guess. New MBA, iMac and mini would be unlikely to come in September when they’re already releasing iPhone and iPad then.

Maybe Apple will surprise us and release something here in August; MBA would be most likely since it’s back-to-school time.
 
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Agreed. As a writer, I'm open to buying well-engineered Mac laptop, but in recent years I've grown skeptical that Ives & Co. have any clue about what that means. It means:

  1. Forget thin. This is a laptop. Make it sturdy. I write on it. I don't slice bread.
  2. Don't deceive. For Apple that typically means a base model that's useless unless supplemented by more RAM and storage at twice or three times the market price. That I refuse to buy.
  3. Magsafe. I often write at libraries. I don't want an expensive gadget flying off the table. Why is Apple dumping its best ideas?
  4. A keyboard I don't hate. I type a lot.
  5. Numerous ports, including regular USB and ethernet. My life is complicated enough already. I'm not going to lug a dongle about.
  6. I will say that I don't care if it has that glowing Apple logo or not.

And yeah, I know the chances of Apple giving me those are so slight, I'm not even planning to budget for this one.

Good post. Exactly my needs as well. Same profession too.

Sadly I had money to spend in the fall of 16 and Apple had NOTHING to offer me. I ended up going with a thinkpad for my mobile needs. When you live in mail, browser and office the underlying OS is pretty invisible. Desktop will always be OSX, phone iOS, iPad Pro this fall has no competition but for the laptop line I see more creativity and innovation coming out of Redmond these days. Let’s see what this cheap laptop is and whether I can transition all my mobile needs to an iPad Pro.

eV
 
Good post. Exactly my needs as well. Same profession too
I had the same doubts when buying a MBP in late 2016, but it only took me a short time to get used to the keyboard, and now I like it very much (as long as it works, but that shouldn't be an issue with the third revision) – and I too am in this profession.

As for the battery: the capacity is large enough to usually not make me want to charge it during the day – and when I do need to, a 10-15min charge is all I need for the rest of the day. Ans as for the ports: USB-C certainly still requires an adapter or two, but that's how innovation works. Otherwise we'd still have a VGA port.

PS: there's a tiny magnetic usb-c adapter, for those who are worried.
 
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I had the same doubts when buying a MBP in late 2016, but it only took me a short time to get used to the keyboard, and now I like it very much (as long as it works, but that shouldn't be an issue with the third revision) – and I too am in this profession.

As for the battery: the capacity is large enough to usually not make me want to charge it during the day – and when I do need to, a 10-15min charge is all I need for the rest of the day. Ans as for the ports: USB-C certainly still requires an adapter or two, but that's how innovation works. Otherwise we'd still have a VGA port.

PS: there's a tiny magnetic usb-c adapter, for those who are worried.

The keyboard is number one priority for me when buying a new machine. Screen is probably number 2. Words don’t need that much raw power. I simply couldn’t get used to the rMB or MBP keyboard that fall. No way would I buy an MBA with such outdated screen tech. My thinkpad yoga performs like a champ with a dream keyboard. I can count on one hand the numbers of times I’ve used it in tablet mode but who cares? It was meant to be my laptop. I like the flippy stuff for movies though. It’s fun.
 
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Ports + Magsafe power.
I have a USB-C charger by the bed and one near the coffee table in the living room, and I can use those chargers to charge my 12" MacBook, my work MBP, my backup battery, or my Nintendo Switch. I don't need a computer full of rapidly aging USB-A ports, and the future of USB-C compatibility with nearly everything looks pretty bright, bright enough to make up for MagSafe ports that were equal parts brilliance and little frustration. I don't miss the MagSafe constantly detaching when I tried to use a laptop in bed or while curled up in some weird ball-shape in a chair.

At this point, the bigger annoyance to me is having to keep Lightning cables around for iStuff.
 
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