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Hopefully it will have enough ports.

Hopefully it had at least one four lane TB3 and one (separate) USB-C port.

What's the usual performance differential between 15W chips and 45W chips?

I'm not sure what others (will) have said, but it is interesting to note that a 15W CPU can maintain full Turbo Boost clock speeds if placed into a 45W chassis.

All's Apple has to do is take the current Macbook Air, put a edge to edge Retina display in it and update the internals. THATS IT. Macbook Air is seriously amazing form factor even today.

Also space grey option would be nice. :oops:

And update TB 2 to TB 3.
 
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Looks okay to me.
Regular mode in Mojave looks OK on non-Retina, but dark mode doesn't look quite right on non-Retina. That could change if they tweak the fonts before releasing Mojave though I guess.

You don't want fanless. Fanless means underpowered.
Fanless is great. Fanless means no fan! ;) ie. No noise.

It depends what you do. If you want to edit 4K video, don't buy a fanless MacBook. However, if you want to use it for business apps, generally a fanless MacBook is fine (at least if you have Kaby Lake or later).

I haven't felt a need for more power for my 2017 MacBook. I would not have said the same thing for the 2015 though. The 2015 entry level felt a tad slow, even in 2015.

It is probably true though that in say 3-5 years, the MacBook will feel more sluggish than a Core i5 TB MacBook Pro, but you can always buy a new machine in 3-5 years. :)
 
I'm very concerned that the current non-touch bar MacBook Pro will not be updated to include the 8th-gen cores and 3rd version of the butterfly mechanism to force Pro users to use ("embrace" if you want to be nice with Apple) the touch bar. Otherwise, they could have released it by now.

Maybe their intention is to replace the non-touch bar Pro with whatever they are cooking to replace the Macbook Air, which most likely won't be as powerful as a Pro.

If I'm right, Pro users who do not want a touch-bar are screwed.

Since the MacBook Pro "Escape" wasn't updated during the recent announcement, my guess is that it's going away.

I can see a new MacBook Air using a similar design as a 12" MacBook, but with a 13" screen, faster processors, and two Thunderbolt ports (upgrade from just USB-C) to slot between the MacBook and MacBook Pro and replace the non-Touch Bar MacBook Pro and current Air. I think the MacBook gets a price reduction and the new Air is priced like the current MacBook Pro "Escape".

I also don't expect any legacy ports and they'll use the 3rd gen butterfly keyboard.
 
Apple will remove all the ports but there will be a slot for optional hand crank.
 
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Since the MacBook Pro "Escape" wasn't updated during the recent announcement, my guess is that it's going away.

I can see a new MacBook Air using a similar design as a 12" MacBook, but with a 13" screen, faster processors, and two Thunderbolt ports (upgrade from just USB-C) to slot between the MacBook and MacBook Pro and replace the non-Touch Bar MacBook Pro and current Air. I think the MacBook gets a price reduction and the new Air is priced like the current MacBook Pro "Escape".

I also don't expect any legacy ports and they'll use the 3rd gen butterfly keyboard.

Aren’t you literally describing the MacBook Escape all over again?
 
Something tells me the first version of this laptop is going to be fraught with issues.

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And by issues I don't necessarily mean of the technical kind.

I'm just thinking that an even thinner (cause Apple just can't help itself but to make things thinner) retina MBA for less than $1000 is going to full of compromises and no telling what issues/problems those compromises will lead to.
There will be just a screen.. you have to buy a dongle to connect the keyboard. Oh wait! That's iPad Pro.
 
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I'm very concerned that the current non-touch bar MacBook Pro will not be updated to include the 8th-gen cores and 3rd version of the butterfly mechanism to force Pro users to use ("embrace" if you want to be nice with Apple) the touch bar. Otherwise, they could have released it by now.

Maybe their intention is to replace the non-touch bar Pro with whatever they are cooking to replace the Macbook Air, which most likely won't be as powerful as a Pro.

If I'm right, Pro users who do not want a touch-bar are screwed.

Yeah I've been wondering too if the non-TB MBP will be merged with the MBA to make a retina MBA.

I'll be a bit bummed if I ended up overpaying last year for what is basically a retina MBA.
 
I’m afraid they’ve thought about that and countered it with making Mojave fonts look blurry on a non-retina screen. I’m also afraid I’m only half joking here.
Blurry fonts in later versions of the OS is why I'm still running 10.9.5 on my mid-2010 Mac mini connected to an old VP171s.
 
When Apple introduced the 12" MacBook, they had all intentions of killing the 11" and 13" Macbook Air (Mid 2015) within 6-9 months, but between the keyboard, the single USB-C port and the price, they underestimated how people would respond to it, which is to say, they did not respect the legacy that the MacBook Air had created. People for months had been asking for Apple to upgrade the screen (50/50 Retina to "at least" IP-S), but Apple decided that they knew better and were going to thrill us with this tiny MacBook.

Here we are 3 years later and the MacBook Air just keeps on selling. Currently, Apple does not have a CPU to put in a new 13" MacBook quite yet, because they know they need to put the latest and greatest for this launch and Intel has not released Whiskey Lake CPUs yet. Or they have not released a 4-core U-Series CPU yet with Iris Plus Graphics.

Apple does not release computers the way PC manufacturers do, and probably never will, although they may make an exception for this launch.

That just isn’t true. You can’t replace a sub $1000 entry level laptop with an expensive, ultra portable, single port, low power machine. Passing on the cost that an extreme design brings to entry consumers and students isn’t something Apple is or was looking to do.

What’s happening now is exactly what happened when the MBA was first introduced. It was the sexy new laptop on the block but it took a while for Apple to get the design right, the price down, and for the public to warm up to it. But in time, it replaced the old MacBook in price, utility, and design.
 
I think Apple is afraid to kill the MBA completely due to said 999$ mental block for many people so hedge their bets to see what sticks.

I guess the key is if Apple is willing to take a $300 haircut on the base 13" MacBook Pro without TouchBar to get it to $999. Maybe set it at $1099.
 
13 inch retina screen with MagSafe, a black bezel like all the other MacBooks have and start calling it an iBook again.
 
Intel hasn't combined the three requirements of quad core, 15W, and Iris Plus (to drive retina smoothly) yet for something like the nontouchbar 13, so I wonder if either Apple lets this use a non-Plus GPU, or else it's built for 28W CPUs (imo, unlikely, would eat the Touchbar sales).

The 12" does use a non-Plus GPU so that's possible, though it's also less pixels to push.

Are these not Iris Plus level iGPUs?

https://www.anandtech.com/show/1173...tarting-with-kaby-lake-refresh-for-15w-mobile

My 2017 nTB MBP has:
i5-7360U
Intel Iris Plus Graphics 640​

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Comparisons on Notebook Check:


I think I just answered my own question. The Iris Plus 640 stomps the UHD 620 in several benchmarks.
 

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I love how people will spin this into "Intel Sucks, they're holding it up" when they could have upgraded it with current processors anytime in the last 3 years.
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I guess the key is if Apple is willing to take a $300 haircut on the base 13" MacBook Pro without TouchBar to get it to $999. Maybe set it at $1099.

The Air is a better general purpose machine though.
 
Why not use AMD Ryzen chips instead?
Use intel for the Pro and Macbook (fanless) lineup.

1 USB A (Optional) + 1 USB Type C (TB3 full 40GB bandwidth) + Magsafe + Glowing logo + chiclet keyboard (no butterfly nonsense) + at least 1080p display = Instant buy
 
I hope they will also introduce something a little bigger than 13". It would be really nice to have "portable" 15" laptop. I don't really need the MBP performance for webdevelopment, but I would like to have bigger screen with a little more performance than the basic MB, with optional eGPU and some reasonable price tag.
If you don’t need the specs what do you need a Mac for? A $400 chrome book can do everything you need:)
 
I think Apple is catering to market segments. The Pro market. The one port/business/small/quiet/shiny market. The el cheapo market. They've got a foot in each because the Pro market expects to spend $2k on a laptop, the MB market will pay anything for these features, and the people who have a mental block beyond 999$. The cost of MBA parts isn't gonna decrease over time as the Broadwell processor becomes a scarce product so they're forced to upgrade. I think Apple is afraid to kill the MBA completely due to said 999$ mental block for many people so hedge their bets to see what sticks. This is Apple's way post-Steve as they're not sure.
Apple is definitely catering to market segments. Not unlike the way they segment desktops: $499-1,999 for Mac mini, $1,099-5,299 for iMac, $2,999-6,999 for Mac Pro and $4,999-13,199 for iMac Pro. Business/professionals buy all four models; consumers rarely buy the desktop Pro models.

The laptop line is interesting because it’s the product line with the highest minimum. With iPhones, $349 gets you the budget SE. With desktops, you can spend only $499 for the budget Mac mini. But with laptops, you’ve got to spend at least $999 for the budget MacBook Air. Of course, you can also spend as much as $6,699, in overlapping price bands:

$999-$1,549 MacBook Air
$1,299-$1,949 MacBook
$1,299-$2,599 13” dual-core MBP
$1,799-$3,699 13” quad-core MBP
$2,399-$6,699 15” hexa-core MBP

At $999, you’ve only got one choice. But at $1,500, 2,000 and 2,500, you’ve got your choice of three models, at three basic configuration points:

$1,500: top of the MBA, middle of the MacBook, entry level dual-core MBP

$2,000: top of the MacBook, middle of the dual-core MBP, entry level quad-core MBP

$2,500 top of the dual-core MBP, middle of the quad-core MBP, entry level hexa-core MBP

But these price segmentations aren’t what separates pros from consumer. You’ve got consumers buying relatively expensive MBP, and you’ve got companies that spec the MBA.

Businesses buy the Air because it’s the least expensive laptop that still gives their pros (esp. those who travel) what they want and need: a small, thin, light, quiet, long-lasting, reliable and well-made laptop, that’s powerful enough to get the job done. Of course, being the lowest-priced laptop the Air is also popular with students and those with a limited budget, where price is the main consideration.

The Air is a huge seller because it’s Apple’s least expensive model, and they’re quite aware of that. However, they’re not afraid to kill the Air. Rest assured that the Air’s replacement will also hit that $999 price point, though, so you really don’t need to be concerned about Apple’s sales. They’ll surely continue selling millions of $999 laptops, and 10-12 million more expensive ones as well.
 
If you don’t need the specs what do you need a Mac for? A $400 chrome book can do everything you need:)

Well, I mentioned that I'm a developer, so I don't understand this question. I just said that I don't need 6-core MBP with dedictated GPU, because I'm not a game developer or 3D designer. But I need a Mac (full OS), I need nice and big screen, I need top notch build quality, fast SSD a and lot of RAM. I could do more work on my iPad Pro than on the Chromebook.

Trolling is not your thing, learn something else.
 
They will likely make something similar to the MBP Escape. Maybe the screen will be crappier to keep the cost down.

I don't mind that, although I really like the wedge shape, ports and keyboard of the air. Magsafe, USB-A, SD slot and scissor-keyboard are likely not coming back, though.
 
Regular mode in Mojave looks OK on non-Retina, but dark mode doesn't look quite right on non-Retina. That could change if they tweak the fonts before releasing Mojave though I guess.


Fanless is great. Fanless means no fan! ;) ie. No noise.

It depends what you do. If you want to edit 4K video, don't buy a fanless MacBook. However, if you want to use it for business apps, generally a fanless MacBook is fine (at least if you have Kaby Lake or later).

I haven't felt a need for more power for my 2017 MacBook. I would not have said the same thing for the 2015 though. The 2015 entry level felt a tad slow, even in 2015.

It is probably true though that in say 3-5 years, the MacBook will feel more sluggish than a Core i5 TB MacBook Pro, but you can always buy a new machine in 3-5 years. :)

It’s probably a none issue because most people now have Retina displays which I believe was introduced in 2012.

In terms of what it can do, I’m not sure if you’re familiar with it but do you think the 12” MacBook would be ok for Pixelmator and Affinity Photo apps? Maybe this rumoured 13” MacBook would be better? I don’t know how spec heavy they are, I have been using them more and more on my iPad Pro just lately tho and want to get them for my Mac.

Are specs for this 13” MacBook going to be higher than the 12” update?
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If you don’t need the specs what do you need a Mac for? A $400 chrome book can do everything you need:)

Chrome books don’t run MacOS which is easily the best OS out there at the moment, it’s one of the reasons I don’t buy a Surface Pro, if made one with MacOS you could count me as converted.
 
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Agreed. Mojave looks great on Retina, but doesn't look good on non-Retina.
Apple disabled sub-pixel antialiasing in Mojave, so fonts don’t look smooth with non-retina displays. Not sure why and it may or may not be coming back.

There’s a terminal command (AppleFontSmoothing) that can change the font weights—which will make fonts appear smoother—but as far as I know there’s no way to actually re-enable sub-pixel antialiasing.
 
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All's Apple has to do is take the current Macbook Air, put a edge to edge Retina display in it and update the internals. THATS IT. Macbook Air is seriously amazing form factor even today.

Also space grey option would be nice. :oops:

I know i'll cop hate for this, but i'd also replace the TB2 ports with USB-C/TB3.

USB-C/TB3 is as useful or more than TB1 and TB1/displayport is a dead end port at this point.
 
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