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Or a 5G Apple Watch on your wrist....

It baffles me that since the LTE introduction there is so little discussion. The signal enters the top of your Apple Watch exits the bottom passing through your wrist. We are in the infancy of understanding how the ever increasing signal strengths and bandwidths effect the body at the molecular level.

I’ll always have a mechanical watch, and use the speaker phone on my 8 whenever possible. :apple:
 
These speeds are theorycrafting… 95%+ of the time my phone is on 4G LTE I get speeds less than 5MBit. This is because the towers can't handle to provide the max speed to all the connected clients. No point in having 5G, 6G, 7G etc. if a tower can only provide that speed to X number of devices and then start to get speeds lower than 3G.
 
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These speeds are theorycrafting… 95%+ of the time my phone is on 4G LTE I get speeds less than 5MBit. This is because the towers can't handle to provide the max speed to all the connected clients. No point in having 5G, 6G, 7G etc. if a tower can only provide that speed to X number of devices and then start to get speeds lower than 3G.

Hey logic is not allowed here :)
 
You think Apple would either spin off the best parts of Qualcomm or sell chips to Android makers?

It depends on what Apple wants. They could keep the patents, incorporate the modem technology into their own chips, and sell the chip business. It all depends what, if anything, Apple wants with respect to modems and 5G chipsets.

Adding to their patent portfolio gives them more ways to strike back against someone bring a patent suit, along the old lines of IBM: "I'll see you the patent you claim we infringe and raise you the 1000 of ours we think you infringe. Call or fold..."

As for Intel, it could be that Intel is in a better position to integrate 5G technology into laptops and by using Intel modems in the iPhone Apple can start working more closely with Intel on the roadmap for 5G chipsets. If 5G lives up to its promises it could become a primary way to connect a laptop (almost) wherever you are and be as ubiquitous as WiFi is today. No more hunting for WiFi hotspots since your connection is always on via 5G.
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They could hold this off until 2030 for all I care. Faster cellular is pretty much my least wanted feature in a phone. 4G is pretty awesome AS it is. Idk what 5G will let me do that 4G wont. Its not like ill be streaming 8K video to a 6 inch display anyways.

if it can deliver high enough performance to deliver the services currently gotten via an ISP, a phone could become a hotspot and negate the need for a seperate ISP. This would mean that data plans would have to have a very high data cap or throttling point (no cap would be nice).

A home or office phone would double as a hotspot and phone to maintain a connection there if there are multiple users; although if they all had 5G phones their devices could use that; and fixed devices such as an AppleTV could simply connect to the best hotspot signal. If you needed connectivity when no one is around simply add a line and leave the phone where you need 24/7 service.
 
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LTE barely works anywhere with ATT unless your under a tower

Actually, that close to a tower is likely a dead zone ;-)

Don't know why carriers are obsessed with speeds instead of coverage....I don't need damn gigabyte speeds on my phone, I don't even use my 200mbps home internet.

Three reasons:
1. Coverage is hard - in urban areas and suburbs, they typically have towers everywhere they've been able to negotiate the rights to have towers. They are left with urban contracts where they just aren't willing to pay more money to get on more rooftops, and suburban areas where people refuse to have towers put up because they'll look ugly

In really rural areas, there's simply not enough customers to justify the expense. A good portion of the country geographically just has arterial coverage along interstates for that reason.

2. More bandwidth means more ways to slice it among devices, and being able to have more devices on a single tower. Ever fail to place a call at an event or during rush hour traffic? Its because the tower can't "fit" your request.

3. When the iPhone launched, carriers looked at the data plans as the way to extract the majority of their profits. Now that they are somewhat ubiquitous, most have unlimited plans which cap how much they can soak from people - but are charging for more devices. They want to support infrastructure that would allow you to pay $5-15/month/device for all sorts of things which would be impractical to have cellular data today.
 
Looks like my iPhone 8 will need to last till 2020. Who is going to buy a 2019 $1000+ iPhone when you know 5g is coming the following year.

5G is the next big thing, but let's think about now. Why buy 2018 iPhone when you know Apple's going to ditch the Lightning port soon? From the iPad Pro event it's clearly show Apple's direction with charging port.
 
5G is the next big thing, but let's think about now. Why buy 2018 iPhone when you know Apple's going to ditch the Lightning port soon? From the iPad Pro event it's clearly show Apple's direction with charging port.

Are you seriously suggesting that changing from one connector to another is a reason to make a purchasing decision to wait a year? It’s worth holding out for a different connector that will do more or less the same things as the existing connector?
 
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Are you seriously suggesting that changing from one connector to another is a reason to make a purchasing decision to wait a year? It’s worth holding out for a different connector that will do more or less the same things as the existing connector?

It's not about "a different connector that will do more or less the same things as existing one"

It's about the consistency across all of my Apple devices, specifically iOS devices. My Lightning accessories I've collected for the last 6 years has been piling up. All of a sudden Apple decides to ditch it and going for USB-C. Why not start with XS and XR??

I'm not going to buy 2 sets of cables and dongles for both my latest iPhone and iPad Pro! So yes, I'm going to wait a year or two, maybe even three just so I can upgrade to iPhone with USB-C.

One key point about going with iOS ecosystem is that so I can charge my devices with the same cables.

Do you know how I charge my 10.5" iPad Pro, my trusted 8 Plus, my Beats X, AirPods for wife, old Apple Pencil, Magic Keyboard with Numpad, Magic TrackPad, and 2 sets of my Apple TV Remotes??

Yes, with a UNIFIED CHARGER, namely Lightning Port. It's so convenient to have not to think about which cable goes for which device. Even my travel battery pack has Lightning input!! But of course the latest iPad Pro had to use USB-C. So why buy the iPhone now?
 
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MediaTek? Seriously?

Give up Apple, just pay Qualcomm. You're not hurting for cash.
Think of the floodgates of that would open. I’m in the medical field, and I can tell you that you don’t settle unless you know you’ll lose in court. It paints a target on your back for nuisance law suits, and in the tech game nuisance lawsuits are in the millions.
 
It's not about "a different connector that will do more or less the same things as existing one"

It's about the consistency across all of my Apple devices, specifically iOS devices. My Lightning accessories I've collected for the last 6 years has been piling up. All of a sudden Apple decides to ditch it and going for USB-C. Why not start with XS and XR??

I'm not going to buy 2 sets of cables and dongles for both my latest iPhone and iPad Pro! So yes, I'm going to wait a year or two, maybe even three just so I can upgrade to iPhone with USB-C.

One key point about going with iOS ecosystem is that so I can charge my devices with the same cables.

Do you know how I charge my 10.5" iPad Pro, my trusted 8 Plus, my Beats X, AirPods for wife, old Apple Pencil, Magic Keyboard with Numpad, Magic TrackPad, and 2 sets of my Apple TV Remotes??

Yes, with a UNIFIED CHARGER, namely Lightning Port. It's so convenient to have not to think about which cable goes for which device. Even my travel battery pack has Lightning input!! But of course the latest iPad Pro had to use USB-C. So why buy the iPhone now?

You’ve already collected years of lightning accessories by your own admission. If you buy an iPhone today, you already have all the accessories. You aren’t making any sense at all. You have expressed a good reason not to buy a new iPad Pro, but a lousy reason not to buy an iPhone Xs or Xr.
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Think of the floodgates of that would open. I’m in the medical field, and I can tell you that you don’t settle unless you know you’ll lose in court. It paints a target on your back for nuisance law suits, and in the tech game nuisance lawsuits are in the millions.

Apple is sued more for patent infringement than any company on earth.
 
And who make you king of taste? No one? Thought so....
Is Tim Cook or anyone else at Apple the king of taste then?
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If you can't get cable or fibre coverage in your area, pretty much sure you won't get decent cell coverage, either. Until service providers are declared "common carriers" like your electricity and land line providers, rural coverage will continue to be spotty. The companies have no financial incentive to provide low density coverage.
Cell is easier to deploy to homes than cable. I've seen at least one area (29 Palms) where there's no cable service, but there is cell service. As of recently they offer satellite internet there, except cell is still much faster.
 
You’ve already collected years of lightning accessories by your own admission. If you buy an iPhone today, you already have all the accessories. You aren’t making any sense at all. You have expressed a good reason not to buy a new iPad Pro, but a lousy reason not to buy an iPhone Xs or Xr.

You're going to buy Apple hardware with USB-C and leaving Lightning port behind, sooner or later. There's no point to add an expensive Lightning device into the collection when you know it's a dying standard. Hold off with what you have, and ditch all of them at once when the Apple USB-C products are matured enough.

A simple analogy: Would you get another PS3 titles in 2013 when you know months later there will be PS4 hardware with much better graphic, better processor, many remastered games and newer titles that will probably cost the same?

Pretty sensible strategy to me.
 
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"Our fastest iPhone EVER! You can do AMAZING THINGS with 5G!! Prices start at $1699." - Tim Cook at iPhone Dog-and-Pony show.

I have an internal morality sticking point that prohibits me from ever spending more on a phone than the cheapest I've ever spent on a computer. That's the point at which I stop buying a new phone or start buying used ones.
 
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So no hope of 5G on the 2019 iPhones then. Not sure my iPhone 6s Plus will be able to last me another two years...

Traded my 6s Plus in for an XS and am quite happy with it. It's not like the moment you get an 5G phone that the networks will be available to use it on. 5G is going to take several years to rollout. No point in waiting.
 
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"... millimeter-wave signal requires some heavy lifting from the modem chips, our source explains. This causes the release of higher-than-normal levels of thermal energy inside the phone-so much so that the heat can be felt on the outside of the phone".

Only thermal energy - how about radiation?

And the fact that so much heat is being generated suggests a significant waste of energy, which will noticeably affect battery life, particularly in smaller devices like watches. Sounds to me like they've hit a wall with current technology. In order to generate milimeter-wave signals efficiently may require an entirely new approach to chip production.
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So no hope of 5G on the 2019 iPhones then. Not sure my iPhone 6s Plus will be able to last me another two years...

I doubt you're exceeding current network speeds right now. Unlike in the early days of the internet, where it would take an hour to download 1MB of data over a dial-up modem, we've now reached a point where we have access to so much bandwidth, performance is a non-issue. Current LTE networks handle current load just fine. The introduction of 5G will enable a new set of applications that don't exist today, at least at the consumer level.
 
they should just buy qualcomm at a discount once they drop some more and integrate them into an in-house modem team.
 
You're going to buy Apple hardware with USB-C and leaving Lightning port behind, sooner or later. There's no point to add an expensive Lightning device into the collection when you know it's a dying standard. Hold off with what you have, and ditch all of them at once when the Apple USB-C products are matured enough.

A simple analogy: Would you get another PS3 titles in 2013 when you know months later there will be PS4 hardware with much better graphic, better processor, many remastered games and newer titles that will probably cost the same?

Pretty sensible strategy to me.
Every year there will be a new phone next year. It will always be a better phone in one year.

If the thing that makes it better is a usbc port, that’s the dumbest thing to wait for.
 
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