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What's the big deal?

There are a lot of engineers working in the defense and national security industries where they don't even discuss with their wives what their working on. If you reveal what you're working on that is a secret system, you are liable for violation of national security oaths and can be prosecuted.

I would expect similar security from Apple because the leaks would have a direct implication on share price and company finances.
 
No need to be condescending. Personally I don't think that Steve's paranoia made Apple great. I agree with you that Apple's actions are what made it great. And yes some luck is always involved in every successful venture but I do not think that their success is due to luck.

I never mentioned waste of money. One thing Apple doesn't do is waste money. I simply said that Steve was one paranoid individual.

Then I apologize for my response, I misunderstood you mostly--especially about the 'waste'. That was RP.

I do think the paranoia, the secrecy, is an undeniable part of the special sauce, on that we will disagree. But my bad for directing all the issues your way.
 
1. I have some vague idea of your thought process. Sarcasm? Don't think so.
2. If you claim that someone has a mental illness, the onus is on you.

I said: Steve was one paranoid individual.

You said:
Nice post. Apart from insulting a dead person who can't respond, do you have any evidence?

I said: [Read the book. And I'm sure if he was alive he would respond to my post.]

Then I replied to noisycats: [He was paranoid before Apple was as successful as it is today.]

You said:
Now that's what I would call "narcissistic personality disorder".

Again, what evidence? Have you actually ever posted any evidence for any of your remarks?

Then I posted in reply: [1. That is what I would call sarcasm.

2. Have you posted any evidence to prove my comments wrong? Thanks. I didn't think so.]

Your reply:
1. I have some vague idea of your thought process. Sarcasm? Don't think so.
2. If you claim that someone has a mental illness, the onus is on you.


My sarcasm was obvious when I said I'm sure he would reply to my post if he was alive. If you get narcissism from that, I don't know what to say.

I said he was paranoid. If that means mentally ill to you fine. But we both know that's not what I meant.
 
Highly amusing video . .

I am an ex-Apple-employee one who has spent time at the manufacturing sites and with engineers. Many engineers will work on parts of products without know what the end product is - but even then it's not a given that said product will be released. So although it may seem to this guy that they work on "fake" products I very much doubt that is the case.

Time to burst a few bubbles, Apple internally has numerous issues and in general terms of staff treatment and expectation from staff Apple is an exceptional poor company to work for. Then there is the "perks" - well 25% discount on all products . . . but not the iPhone . . . unless you are in engineering roles where you need equipment for test/dev purposes general getting new/replacement equipment for business use is akin to getting blood out of a stone. Sure you stay at 5 star hotels whenever you travel however in general you'll only see that room to sleep as 14-16 hour days are pretty norm.

Middle management in general consists of men/women who have been there for excess of 5 years stuck in the rut (and sinking) but general watching there shares and treading on egg-shells and sucking up to the senior management. Rock the boat slightly and you'll be gone or isolated at the drop of hat.

Those who have been there for extended period of time (5 or so year) are basically seen as "trusted" over any newer employees regardless of competency levels! Frustration with these kind of people is very often why people leave and yes Apple does have a high churn rate.

In general the level political BS within Apple is extreme.

Before you all think this is just a bitter ex-employee rant, well the fact is I did actually enjoy my time with Apple however there was far too much swimming upstream and the need to be dodging knifes that were constantly trying to be stabbed in your back for my liking. I also do not like having my work passed off as other people and claiming it as their "work" by the incompetent "trusted" people.
 
It must be a complete thrill and a total nightmare to work for Apple.

Since Apple is not a startup but just another American corporation (although one with a huge marketing budget and highly polished public image), my bet is that working there is more like an endless nightmare than a thrilling experience.

"Indoctrination" is a word that you would use in a "correction camp". It shouldn't be used to describe the working conditions of a company. But if you have to use it, well, you know sort of draconian, insufferable mindset you have to expect at that place. But if you wouldn't mind working for the Holy Inquisition or in the US concentration camp in Guantanamo, then a job at Apple will probably suit you well, too...
 
Finally! A new post. I swear MacRumors just shuts down on the weekends. It's like a 9-5 job! Please post on the weekends, macrumors!

And yet, when MacRumors posts articles more frequently they invariably get accused of lowering the standard just so they can get more advertising revenue. Seems like they can't win!
 
Highly amusing video . .

I am an ex-Apple-employee one who has spent time at the manufacturing sites and with engineers. Many engineers will work on parts of products without know what the end product is - but even then it's not a given that said product will be released. So although it may seem to this guy that they work on "fake" products I very much doubt that is the case.

Time to burst a few bubbles, Apple internally has numerous issues and in general terms of staff treatment and expectation from staff Apple is an exceptional poor company to work for. Then there is the "perks" - well 25% discount on all products . . . but not the iPhone . . . unless you are in engineering roles where you need equipment for test/dev purposes general getting new/replacement equipment for business use is akin to getting blood out of a stone. Sure you stay at 5 star hotels whenever you travel however in general you'll only see that room to sleep as 14-16 hour days are pretty norm.

Middle management in general consists of men/women who have been there for excess of 5 years stuck in the rut (and sinking) but general watching there shares and treading on egg-shells and sucking up to the senior management. Rock the boat slightly and you'll be gone or isolated at the drop of hat.

Those who have been there for extended period of time (5 or so year) are basically seen as "trusted" over any newer employees regardless of competency levels! Frustration with these kind of people is very often why people leave and yes Apple does have a high churn rate.

In general the level political BS within Apple is extreme.

Before you all think this is just a bitter ex-employee rant, well the fact is I did actually enjoy my time with Apple however there was far too much swimming upstream and the need to be dodging knifes that were constantly trying to be stabbed in your back for my liking. I also do not like having my work passed off as other people and claiming it as their "work" by the incompetent "trusted" people.

That all sounds very much like the aerospace company which I work for....!
 
Pfff big deal. Microsoft is doing this for years. And even more. Not only they fake projects, but they actually distribute them afterwards to the market. And everyone actually believes it is a real product. See vista.
 
Apple is of course well known for wasting resources, time and money, so this makes complete sense to waste time paying extremely talented employees on "fake" products just to test how trustworthy they are. No wonder their products are so expensive, for every 1 iDevice produced, there were several fake iDevices produced as well! Now it all makes sense. Thank you Mr. I-Wrote-A-Book-About-Apple-Because-I-Could-Not-Let-The-World-Go-On-Another-Day-Without-Everyone-Knowing-The-Truth

His next book will be a real page turner titled, "Inside Apple's Chinese Death Camps" and will cover how Apple actually pays Foxconn to kill off workers after a long day, so that a fresh, rested worker can take their place the next day. And also expose the horrific truth of working conditions in their Apple retail stores here in the U.S. - it was reported by one employee that he was not allowed a second smoking break.


By the way ...
/sarcasm
 
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Nice post. Apart from insulting a dead person who can't respond, do you have any evidence?

Calm down...there's plenty of name calling going on about tons of dead people on daily basis. And really worse. It wasn't even that bad at all.

I don't really get this "Steve is above the entire humanity" thing being preached by some.

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But no one can legitamately deny the market competition reaction to a successful Apple product launch.

True, but i give MS props for at least thinking fresh and having a good firm understanding of user experience. Their desktop, mobile and console products are really improving a lot. It is nothing like in 1998 when we used to curse at windows every hour.

/dons flame shield for praising MS
 
Highly amusing video . .

I am an ex-Apple-employee one who has spent time at the manufacturing sites and with engineers. Many engineers will work on parts of products without know what the end product is - but even then it's not a given that said product will be released. So although it may seem to this guy that they work on "fake" products I very much doubt that is the case.

Time to burst a few bubbles, Apple internally has numerous issues and in general terms of staff treatment and expectation from staff Apple is an exceptional poor company to work for. Then there is the "perks" - well 25% discount on all products . . . but not the iPhone . . . unless you are in engineering roles where you need equipment for test/dev purposes general getting new/replacement equipment for business use is akin to getting blood out of a stone. Sure you stay at 5 star hotels whenever you travel however in general you'll only see that room to sleep as 14-16 hour days are pretty norm.

Middle management in general consists of men/women who have been there for excess of 5 years stuck in the rut (and sinking) but general watching there shares and treading on egg-shells and sucking up to the senior management. Rock the boat slightly and you'll be gone or isolated at the drop of hat.

Those who have been there for extended period of time (5 or so year) are basically seen as "trusted" over any newer employees regardless of competency levels! Frustration with these kind of people is very often why people leave and yes Apple does have a high churn rate.

In general the level political BS within Apple is extreme.

Before you all think this is just a bitter ex-employee rant, well the fact is I did actually enjoy my time with Apple however there was far too much swimming upstream and the need to be dodging knifes that were constantly trying to be stabbed in your back for my liking. I also do not like having my work passed off as other people and claiming it as their "work" by the incompetent "trusted" people.

Sounds like an Architects Office.
 
Why is hiring an employee an insult where you come from? In the US that is exactly what you do you hire an employee. Maybe you don't like the idea of the word hire being used as a noun.

In any event very strange.

That's correct. Hire is a verb to me.
 
please you act like a new OS never has an issue or more...Lion is far from Vista status and with the exception of a couple changes I didn't like and a handful of bugs...it's just fine, Leopard 2.0. Relax...

I'm using Vista on a 2010 Macmini and I find it pretty fast and stable. I just use Windows because my digital TV adapter has only Windows drivers and cheap FPP Vista licenses saved me with good software for a good price.

Lion has/had some bad reputation because it was heavier than SL at the launch date, just like Windows Vista in relation to XP. Upgraders suffer more than new hardware buyers... that's why I didn't upgraded my white macbook to Lion.
 
Actually ....

This description is very much like what I imagined work life is like at Apple.
I know enough people who work for other big corporations (Xerox, Nestle, Enterprise, etc.) to say this sounds pretty typical.

Middle management, by and large, winds up in a role of "sucking up to senior management", in almost every case. I mean, basically, you've got a bunch of people who are getting paid well to pass along orders from the upper management and communicate summaries back to them about what and how their team is doing. If you're in that role and like your paycheck, why would you risk doing anything that jeopardizes that, as long as you know you can keep the salary coming by painting rosy pictures of your team's performance (thanks to your personal guidance and suggestions, of course)?

It's no wonder that small start-up type businesses wind up doing the lion's share of innovative things.... They haven't yet grown to the point where middle management has become a necessary evil for them.

As for Apple, in particular? I've LONG thought they need to employ more talented engineers and software developers. It seems to me they're perpetually in a mode of pushing their people to the limits, every time a new product launch is near and it turns into "crunch time" for them. That was probably part of a Steve Jobs core philosophy ... some sort of fuzzy idea that people produce their best work under pressure and constraints. But as a company, they can't ever seem to develop more than one product at a time. They lack the manpower. They had to borrow people from one team to help get another team's project completed on time (OS X people borrowed to get iOS done, for example).



Highly amusing video . .

I am an ex-Apple-employee one who has spent time at the manufacturing sites and with engineers. Many engineers will work on parts of products without know what the end product is - but even then it's not a given that said product will be released. So although it may seem to this guy that they work on "fake" products I very much doubt that is the case.

Time to burst a few bubbles, Apple internally has numerous issues and in general terms of staff treatment and expectation from staff Apple is an exceptional poor company to work for. Then there is the "perks" - well 25% discount on all products . . . but not the iPhone . . . unless you are in engineering roles where you need equipment for test/dev purposes general getting new/replacement equipment for business use is akin to getting blood out of a stone. Sure you stay at 5 star hotels whenever you travel however in general you'll only see that room to sleep as 14-16 hour days are pretty norm.

Middle management in general consists of men/women who have been there for excess of 5 years stuck in the rut (and sinking) but general watching there shares and treading on egg-shells and sucking up to the senior management. Rock the boat slightly and you'll be gone or isolated at the drop of hat.

Those who have been there for extended period of time (5 or so year) are basically seen as "trusted" over any newer employees regardless of competency levels! Frustration with these kind of people is very often why people leave and yes Apple does have a high churn rate.

In general the level political BS within Apple is extreme.

Before you all think this is just a bitter ex-employee rant, well the fact is I did actually enjoy my time with Apple however there was far too much swimming upstream and the need to be dodging knifes that were constantly trying to be stabbed in your back for my liking. I also do not like having my work passed off as other people and claiming it as their "work" by the incompetent "trusted" people.
 
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