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But the question remains... how many will stick with Snow Leopard when Lion is released?

Neither of my Macs are Intel-based, but even if they were I'd most likely pass on iOS 5- err, I mean... Lion. Unless they have an incredible ace up their sleeve...
 
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ouimetnick said:
I still want a fix for the trackpad being stuck. It's wicked annoying. Maybe it will be a smaller separate release?

Here is a big me too for that! I really like the new track pad functionality but when this bug crops up it is eztremely annoying.
 
Last update? Are you HIGH? Apple has never stopped updates after a simple announcement! They still have almost a year of Snow Leopard to go and you're saying that's the last one? REALLY?
 
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THX1139 said:
I hope they really polish Leopard before moving on to Lion because I'll probably stay with Leopard. I really don't like the direction they are taking the OS. Seems to be favoring mobile apps and pushing applications from the store. I'll revaluate after I see if there are going to be options for installing the Mac store app or if it's built into the OS. It all seems a bit too "1984" for my tastes. I can see them wanting to control the software you install on an iPhone... but no way on my Mac. Sadly, I think that is the direction they are headed. It's where the revenue is at. Why else would they need build a billion dollar data center? That would give them 100% control over the whole Apple experience if everything that ran on your computer had to go through them.

First as both an app user and a developer I'mvery pleased that app store is coming to the Mac. It is good for developers and very good for users.

As to your unfounded fears about 1984 please explain yourself? Steveo clearly indicated this won't be the only way to install apps, so what is the problem.

This is nothing more than emulating a Linux distro repository. People have no problem with this approach on Linux, yet spout irrational fears about an Apple app store. I really don't think people are thinking straight when complaning and then claiming they will switch to Ubuntu. Except for app stores commercial nature it is the same damn thing.
 
Seems unlikely at this point, unfortunately...
Maybe Apple will surprise us with full OpenGL 4.1 support (or better) in OS X Lion.
It's a real nuisance having to boot into Windows 7 to see what my GPU can do...

Funnily enough, Source games run better in OSX than on Windows 7 for me. Both OS' and drivers are fully up to date. Exact same settings. On the same machine.

Same goes for WoW with the current patch, provided I turn down the liquid detail and sunshafts (because those features require 10.6.5) on both OSX and Windows version.

Sure, the difference wasn't all that big (average of 76 fps in TF2 for OSX compared to average of 72 fps in Windows (the average FPS results of running a timedemo 10 times on each OS).


However, I do realize that you probably meant the amount of features of your graphics card (like some OpenGL shaders not being available in OSX right now). I also don't hold high hopes that Lion will ship with full OpenGL 4.1 support. Apple doesn't like to sit on the forefront of drivers and APIs, always a version behind, or lacking in supported features.
 
Neither of my Macs are Intel-based, but even if they were I'd most likely pass on iOS 5- err, I mean... Lion. Unless they have an incredible ace up their sleeve...

Giant datacenter rumored to begin operations the the end of this year + rumors of a "DropBox" killer = SEXY TIMES AHEAD BOYS!
 
The REAL question is, what will be after 10.7 Lion??? What's bigger than a Lion??? :p

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Funnily enough, Source games run better in OSX than on Windows 7 for me. Both OS' and drivers are fully up to date. Exact same settings. On the same machine.

Same goes for WoW with the current patch, provided I turn down the liquid detail and sunshafts (because those features require 10.6.5) on both OSX and Windows version.

Sure, the difference wasn't all that big (average of 76 fps in TF2 for OSX compared to average of 72 fps in Windows (the average FPS results of running a timedemo 10 times on each OS).


However, I do realize that you probably meant the amount of features of your graphics card (like some OpenGL shaders not being available in OSX right now). I also don't hold high hopes that Lion will ship with full OpenGL 4.1 support. Apple doesn't like to sit on the forefront of drivers and APIs, always a version behind, or lacking in supported features.

It's true that some games run better on OS X than on Windows 7, but that's at the expense of "eye candy".
What's happening is, purely and simply, the OS X version has lower quality graphics and, because of that, runs slightly better. A few weeks ago I tested out TF2 on my new Mac Pro in both OS X 10.6.4 (with the Graphics Update) and on Windows 7 Ultimate 64bit (fully updated as well). I took a screenshot of each version and while the differences aren't astronomical, there's clearly a lot more visual quality and a lot more going on in the Windows version of the game.
I know Apple likes to go for the stable version of OpenGL instead of the latest version. But I really hope they can implement some sort of OpenGL 4.1 support, even if it's somewhat limited, in OS X Lion. I don't want to see a game like id's RAGE (assuming it's still coming out for the Mac) limited to OpenGL 2.1...
 
But the question remains... how many will stick with Snow Leopard when Lion is released?

More than usual, I suspect.

At this point Lion doesn't seem to be worth more than $29. Even if it is $0, all later OSX versions have hit the market while being complete rubbish. Once released it will have a 6-12 month lag before the OS is nicely settled and isn't some horror of glitches.

I won't be upgrading for about a year after Lion is released.

The REAL question is, what will be after 10.7 Lion??? What's bigger than a Lion??? :p
They can release another Snow Leopard-like OS called WHITE LION. So there is 10.8.... 10.9 should really be LOLCat.
 
All this talk about Lion and what will be the last point release of SL....does anyone have the changelog for THIS release so we can see what we're getting new/fixed from 10.6.4?
 
Giant datacenter rumored to begin operations the the end of this year + rumors of a "DropBox" killer = SEXY TIMES AHEAD BOYS!

Apple would have to really buckle down to make a dropbox killer, especially now that dropbox has released an API for it. No, im prettu sure we wont see a dropbox killer from apple which leaves the question of what is comming.
 
More than usual, I suspect.

At this point Lion doesn't seem to be worth more than $29. Even if it is $0, all later OSX versions have hit the market while being complete rubbish. Once released it will have a 6-12 month lag before the OS is nicely settled and isn't some horror of glitches.

I won't be upgrading for about a year after Lion is released.


They can release another Snow Leopard-like OS called WHITE LION. So there is 10.8.... 10.9 should really be LOLCat.

I hope this is sarcasm.
 
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Huh? Apple will surely have several point releases between now and next summer. Between the new hardware in January (Sandy bridge) and miscellaneous bug fixes, I'm sure we'll get more updates.
Let us not forget AMD Fusion so Apple can stop using Core 2 Duo processors without having to use Intel graphics.
 
Let us not forget AMD Fusion so Apple can stop using Core 2 Duo processors without having to use Intel graphics.
Well if Apple is switching to AMD, hopefully it won't be a while yet, because if people are complaining on the lack of CPU improvement by sticking to the Penryn Core 2 Duo, going to AMD's Llano will be a side-grade at best CPU-wise. AMD's mobile processors also aren't known to be the most power efficient to date.

I'm more looking forward to Intel's Sandy Bridge anyways since it offers a more aggressive implementation of AVX extensions, which should provide superior multimedia acceleration, a key Apple focus, over AMD's Bulldozer. The best course of action is getting nVidia to design a chipset with built-in IGP that can hang off PCIe x16 for Sandy Bridge to avoid the DMI licensing issue. It no doubt complicates the driver situation, but seeing Apple controls OS X that's not likely a big problem. nVidia seems to have otherwise pulled out of the chipset market though, so it'd hard to see them designing a custom solution just for Apple. The 320M was likely their last chipset.
 
When 10.6.5 comes out will there be a combo update from 10.6.2 to 10.6.5? Im going to erase my 27 imacs HD and install snow leopard again. It comes with 10.6.2. Will I be able to update directly to 10.6.5?

I guess it will be out early next week.

Thanks.
 
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