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I'm glad Apple acknowledge .Mac isn't all that it should be. Hopefully they'll change things around and make it worth the asking price.

( Yes, I have .Mac - but if things don't change, not for much longer ).

Xtremehkr said:
.Mac needs some attention in order to justify the price, Steve. After 6, nearly 7 years of investment, I'm standing right on the precipice of canceling my account. Yahoo and Google are offering slightly inferior products for no monetary investment. Delegate already.

Likewise; I've also been a susbscriber since it was free, but I too am on the verge of dropping the service if I don't see some changes. I'm happy to see Steve at least acknowledge it has some shortcomings.
 
I think that's pretty funny... Steve makes a valid point about research being more about people... the consumers. Last time I checked it was free to talk to people. Why would they need a big R&D budget. We are their R&D department and I think Steve's on the right track. If more companies like Microsoft would put the consumer first...maybe they would have better quality products.

That's not at all correct. The people are in fact Apple employees, not the consumers. Consumers do not provide feedback on product development. Apple does not conduct focus groups. No one asked for the iPod, etc... They ignore users for the most part. That's why their products remain simple.
 
You contradicted your first sentence with the second. Furthermore, it is not false at all. Regardless, you are dodging the bigger issue. MS's QC is virtually non-existant. They have so much 'push it out the door', undocumented, backward compatible, interdependent, poorly-written code, no one can get a handle on it any more.

Some people make it sound like microsoft push out patches multiple times a week, on a regular basis. This is incorrect. Very occasionally, microsoft will push out multiple patches per week, normally its one patch per week.

No need for exaggeration ( no matter how much microsoft suck ).
 
I'm glad Apple acknowledge .Mac isn't all that it should be. Hopefully they'll change things around and make it worth the asking price.

( Yes, I have .Mac - but if things don't change, not for much longer ).

That's the one thing I focused on too... I know Leopard is going to be good, same for the iPhone, however new information on .Mac is good. Hopefully it's not just going to be "better integration with the iPhone", but something that's actually worth the price as you say, and useful to it's subscribers.

I can't wair for some new features that I can actually use more effectively :)
 
your claim about quicktime pro isn't only non-constructive, but its incorrect. people who think that quicktime pro is a ripoff are the same people who think that quicktime is simply a media player. the fact is that I couldn't do the multimedia work I do without the underlying technologies that are a vital part of qt pro.

Actually, his claim was correct. I paid $30 for QT Pro 4, only to have the abilities I paid for, such as fullscreen video, removed with Version 5. So, I bought Pro 5 to get those abilities back, and guess what I lost when 6 came out? The ability to play fullscreen video. Guess who decided not to buy QTPro6? Guess what QT6Pro users lost when QTPro7 came along...
 
"Leopard will be worth the wait" - Steve Jobs

Leopard is serious stuff, I am intrigued.


Evo
 
That's not at all correct. The people are in fact Apple employees, not the consumers. Consumers do not provide feedback on product development. Apple does not conduct focus groups. No one asked for the iPod, etc... They ignore users for the most part. That's why their products remain simple.

Not quite true. Didnt jobs once say during a keynote when introducing the new earbuds "we tried these on millions of ears" - or maybe that was a joke lol
 
"Jobs did acknowledge that the company is still struggling to decide if third-party developers will be able to create software that will run on the iPhone. It’s a decision Apple “is wrestling with,” according to Jobs."

Whoa..


Remember with the original 128k Mac, Steve Jobs said that we could use software, but we were not to touch the hardware. With the iPhone it will take an extreme amount of pressure from the User to see if Steve Jobs will let us program the iPhone. With age he seems to be trying to control our whole Apple experience. Steve Jobs is just like Bill Gates in that he wants to control all of our computer experience. They both will deny it, but they both want to control us. The iPhone is just one with the most control.

Bill the TaxMan
 
Steve Jobs is just like Bill Gates in that he wants to control all of our computer experience. They both will deny it, but they both want to control us.

Steve Jobs wants to control everything to make sure it works. Bill Gates wants to control everything for the sake of controling everything, no matter what.

Same target, yes, but very different reasons.
 
Apple = Style Inovation

Someone else would look at it as the glass as half empty. It sounds more like jobs is justifying cutting their R&D budget. Apple hasn't really innovated in years. I mean real innovation. The parts in an iPod, other then the wheel, aren't revolutionary. Since G1 of the iPod its been an evolutionary increase. Ditto with the Macbook and Macbook pro. Ditto with the Mac pro. Ditto with the :apple: TV which is pretty much nothing more then a slimmed down Mac Mini. iPhone. *shrugs* Its not out yet so its hard to say. But the products Apple has been shipping over the lasts 5 years use pretty dang traditional parts. Just put together in a way that is creative and pretty. If you want want to call it innovative style then sure. Apple is innovating style. I mean some of the things that really put Apple in the lead long ago really haven't happened in years. Apple was the first, AFAIK, to come up with the claimshell desktop design. It was a godsend to get into the system. Apple was one of the first, I think IBM beat them to it though, to allow really easy access to most of the components inside of your laptop. Apple has done a lot of firsts in their history. I would love to compare those firsts to what they have put out since 2000.
Yes they are nice, beautiful devices. But innovative from a technological standpoint? Meh. IMHO no.
I've said it before and I will continue to say it. Apple has stopped taking risks. Actually the iPhone IMHO is the biggest risk since the Newton IMHO.


The Intel MacBook may be easy to upgrade. The AL PowerBook was relatively easy to upgrade the hard drive & optical drive. since the AL PPC PowerBook & Intel AL MacBook Pro, that can easilly turn into an easy computer damage proposition. Lack of inovation, more control over the End User, aka you & me. Like you I have an Intel Mac Pro. If you really look at it i would be willing to wager you that it is really just an Intel motherboard with FW800 added. All of the other items are standard on most Intel motherboards used in the Windows World. Look at your PCIexpress buss. Only 26 lanes on the Intel Mac Pro. Remember, the G5 PPC PowerMac has 32 lanes. Why would they go backwards from 32 to 26 unless they were just purchasing someone else's design. The Intel Mac Pro is a nice machine. But what could the PPC G5 PowerMac be with a couple more years of development. If Apple would only innovate again then maybe the Mac products that we like could be even greater than most of us believe them to be.

Bill the TaxMan
 
The Apple Board of Directors?

I am extremely disappointed that nobody stood up & asked Steve Jobs why in the HELL he is keeping Intuit Chairman Bill Campbell on the Apple Board of Directors, when Bill Campbell has CONTINUED to deliver COMPLETELY SUBPAR financial products for Mac OS X?

Even in the year 2007, Quicken & QuickBooks are absolutely horrible products on the Mac, and COMPLETELY pale in comparison to their Windows counterparts.

Just a quick example:

1. Quicken for Mac does NOT auto-download from MOST financial institutions for instantaneous downloading like it does in Quicken for Windows.
2. Quicken & QuickBooks for Mac both feature less than 50% of the feature set of the Windows versions of these products.
3. QuickBooks has no multi-user support, whereas every version of QuickBooks for Windows can be networked.
4. Neither product supports a cross-platform file format so Windows users will actually LOSE MANY FEATURES & FINANCIAL INFORMATION upon switching to Macintosh, and the tedious export/import routine for QuickBooks still does not work reliably under any circumstances.
5. Absolutely no API for QuickBooks for Mac (unlike QuickBooks for Windows), so programs like FileMaker Pro can't tap into QuickBooks on the Mac like they can on the Windows side of things.

These are just the top 5 issues off the top of my head, but obviously there are DOZENS UPON DOZENS more! There are no other real personal financial software alternatives for the Mac (with the exception of MYOB, which is okay for small businesses), so we are stuck with these subpar products from Intuit. These products are horrible.

And the only way that many Windows users can switch to the Mac is to end up using their Intuit product in Parallels or Boot Camp.

All of this and BILL CAMPBELL SITS ON THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS AT APPLE!!

As far as I'm concerned, Bill Campbell should be kicked off the board completely or step up to the plate and treat Mac users with the respect that they deserve.

It is waaay past time to kick Bill Campbell off the board!

Can somebody PLEASE keep this information on hand for next year's shareholders meeting, and please ask this next year?!


Is this really the Apple Board of Directors or it the Steve Jobs Board of Directors.

Just think how good of Mac support we'd have from Bill Campbell if he wasn't on the Board. Microsoft had to buy $150 million in Apple stock, but came up with no Board seat. Al the tree Gore, the inventor & maker of the internet, is there for some Green Peace reason. But we still had to hear from Green Peace.

Maybe more than Bill Campbell should be a man & resign.

Bill the TaxMan
 
I see macrumors lack business conscious people. If instead of focusing on what he failed to deliver or say is less important then what he said about MICROSOFT then you know there s a problem with your fan base.

"I know you think you understood what you thought I meant, but I'm not sure that what you heard isn't what I meant.":eek::eek::eek:
 
iphone hopes

Still, the possibilities are enormous if the iPhone is at opened up to even partial support.

I want a full set of OmniMobile apps.
And I would kill for Skype.

Of course, Skype would be nice, but if Apple hopes to entice the medical community to buy-in, it would really help if ePocrates (great drug info and interaction app) could run on the iPhone
 
remember when Intuit promised they'd always love and honor mac users........

I am extremely disappointed that nobody stood up & asked Steve Jobs why in the HELL he is keeping Intuit Chairman Bill Campbell on the Apple Board of Directors, when Bill Campbell has CONTINUED to deliver COMPLETELY SUBPAR financial products for Mac OS X?

Even in the year 2007, Quicken & QuickBooks are absolutely horrible products on the Mac, and COMPLETELY pale in comparison to their Windows counterparts.

Just a quick example:

1. Quicken for Mac does NOT auto-download from MOST financial institutions for instantaneous downloading like it does in Quicken for Windows.
2. Quicken & QuickBooks for Mac both feature less than 50% of the feature set of the Windows versions of these products.
3. QuickBooks has no multi-user support, whereas every version of QuickBooks for Windows can be networked.
4. Neither product supports a cross-platform file format so Windows users will actually LOSE MANY FEATURES & FINANCIAL INFORMATION upon switching to Macintosh, and the tedious export/import routine for QuickBooks still does not work reliably under any circumstances.
5. Absolutely no API for QuickBooks for Mac (unlike QuickBooks for Windows), so programs like FileMaker Pro can't tap into QuickBooks on the Mac like they can on the Windows side of things.

These are just the top 5 issues off the top of my head, but obviously there are DOZENS UPON DOZENS more! There are no other real personal financial software alternatives for the Mac (with the exception of MYOB, which is okay for small businesses), so we are stuck with these subpar products from Intuit. These products are horrible.

And the only way that many Windows users can switch to the Mac is to end up using their Intuit product in Parallels or Boot Camp.

All of this and BILL CAMPBELL SITS ON THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS AT APPLE!!

As far as I'm concerned, Bill Campbell should be kicked off the board completely or step up to the plate and treat Mac users with the respect that they deserve.

It is waaay past time to kick Bill Campbell off the board!

Can somebody PLEASE keep this information on hand for next year's shareholders meeting, and please ask this next year?!

Couldn't agree more. We've used Macs since the early 80's but twice I've reluctantly gone out to buy a PC only in order to give my corporate data to my CPA, since the Mac version is essentially useless for most CPA's. It's pretty clear that Intuit's lack of support for QuickBooks for the Mac is actually costing Apple customers. So why is their chairman still on the board?
 
Decreasing R&D budget- not much of a factor. Apple has saved MILLIONS in developmental costs by hitching up to open source projects and not re-inventing the wheel.

The R&D budget is not decreasing. It's share of the revenue is. But as Apple's revenue has been going up fast, their R&D-budget, when measured in raw cash, has been going up as well, just not as fast.

.mac- I'm sure they have some tasty updates in queue.

I would sure hope so. .Mac is really getting long in the tooth. Increase the storage-space to at least 4GB and drop the price, and then we'll talk.
 
But Apple is no Bershire-Hathaway and definitely not a Google type company unless Apple starts having adverts on their website, products, iTunes etc, because isn't that where Google's revenue comes from the most, advertising, on their web sites!

What exactly does stock-splits have to do with advertising? They just meant that stock-splits are not absolutely necessary to drive up the shareprice: just look at B-H and Google.

really: you are not making any sense.

Ouch! "not-splitting shares and allowing the stock price to move out of historical ranges" - from AppleInsider's report, I would hate to be there the day the walls come tumbling down:D

What walls? Is there really that much difference if stock-price drops from $100 to $90, as opposed to stock-price dropping from $200 to $180?
 
Yes and no... if you look at a budget as a percentage of the money that you have to work with, then yes, Apple is cutting money from R&D. However, its a good point to make that the dollar amount may not be going down.

You do not pay for R&D with percentages, you need raw cash for that. And the amount of raw cash has been going up.
 
your claim about quicktime pro isn't only non-constructive, but its incorrect. people who think that quicktime pro is a ripoff are the same people who think that quicktime is simply a media player. the fact is that I couldn't do the multimedia work I do without the underlying technologiei hope to see your comments.

I think the point is that you just shelled loads of money to buy a computer that, according to ads, comes with everything. But it doesn't. It ships with videoplayer that is crippled. In order to uncripple it, you need to pay a bit more cash in addition to the $1000+ you just spent on your gear.

Next time you see a "Get a Mac"-ad that ridicules the trial-software and crippleware that comes with PC's, while Macs ship with "just one OS that has everything", remember the fact that you need to pay $29.99 in order to uncripple Quictime. I mean, really: would it REALLY harm Apple so much if they simply said "screw it", and shipped with uncrippled Quicktime?
 
1. Agree - the most things most people are awaiting for is HARDWARE! Upgrade please...

2. iPhone should be opened or semi-opened for 3rd party software. Especially since they are aiming on business users - like Blackberry's. It's obvious that the iPhone is a multipurpose unit - make it one for real and let the software community in and support it to make it relevant!

BTW - fun video :)


Well, no hardware yet.:mad: :mad: :mad:

The only thing keeping me sane these days is this http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1213633685729437224&q=jimmy+fallon+stars+wars&hl=en

"Flippy Flippy Flippy Lava Lava Lava Lava Lava!!!":eek: :eek: :eek:
 
• Regarding a decreasing research budget percentage, Jobs said research is a lot more about people and quality engineers than it is about the money. "I wish developing great products was as easy as writing a check," said Jobs. If that were the case, Microsoft would have some great products."

Ooooh snap! Go Steve ;)
 
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