I was going to buy this keyboard, but then I found out it was removable, and not soldered to motherboard. Apple is getting lazy.
I feel you. I might pretty much be anti iPad (for my use anyways now) but it wasn't always that way. I had been using Macs since 2000, right when OS X started being pushed. My first iBook came with Mac OS 9 and OS X but defaulted to OS 9 and so I have been with Apple through a lot of trials such as OS X, which was not really ready until 10.2 came along. 10.0 didn't even have a working DVD App. Was with them through the pains of IBM based processors and the fustration of not being able to get a G5 into a laptop. I was with them through the intel shift. I bought the first iPhone through the iPhone 4, bought two iPod touches. At the time I thought iOS was brilliant and some ways still is for small mobile devices. I was first in line to buy an iPad. I was one of the people who thought the tablet form of computing was the next step and couldn't wait for OS X to eventually be put on a tablet form factor, but then I just kept waiting and waiting lol. I ran across a Surface RT at best buy one day running Windows 8 and fell in love with it. The RT is really under appreciated for what it was. People were just misinformed. Windows 8 actually had an amazing UI for tablet/touch based forms. Even though it couldn't run any Win32 Applications, you still had a full desktop OS with a touch interface and a desktop interface when you wanted it too. It was pretty awesome to be able to hook up a mouse and keyboard and use full blown office with it sitting on my desk with its kickstand propping it up. It was also nice to be able to add a micro SD card to it considering it only came with 64gb SSD. I didn't have a problem with the lack of apps because work wise I just need Office and other than that the few apps I did use were in the Microsoft store. The only reason at this point I was still booting up my Macbook Pro was to torrent some files but once a torrent client came into the MS Store, I went on ebay and sold it. I was still using an iPhone 4 at this point but it came up for my upgrade time and when I went to the At&t store looked at the Windows 8 Mobile phones and since I loved the UI of Windows 8, switched to that. It still is to this day the best mobile UI i have ever used plus I was tired of how iOS hand kinda just stalled in innovation UI wise. Since then I have had a Surface Pro 3 and 4 which are amazing. It really is amazing to have a FULL computer in that form factor and most people call it a 2 in 1 but its really a 3 in 1, a pretty good tablet(but I will admit not the best, but then again I don't think the iPad is either. The iPad is better but it is nowhere what it could be and that's why I don't say its the best because no company has yet to make a best), I would say for me a near perfect laptop experience and third, a pretty could desktop experience when docked to an external mouse, keyboard and display. When the iPad came out I relly wanted it to be amazing. When I heard rumors of the iPad Pro I was excited and might have switched back had it run OS X but I have come to realize Apple is less about innovating than it is about milking now days. Apple could easily turn the iPad Pro into a surface killer if they wanted too and it would be but they don't care about being the best because then they wouldn't get the profits from you having to buy a tablet, laptop and desktop to fit the use case of the Surface Products.Amen! I'm looking at the review and while I appreciate the effort, they all seem like imposters. Maybe because the device they cater for is also an imposter
I am struggling to find the usecase for iPad Pro or even the new iPad not so pro (Air). And this comes from someone who uses their (regular) iPad daily
I've always wondered if they had plans for the smart connector to charge the Apple Pencil 2 but then totally changed course during the design of the iPad Pro 3..Can’t help but feel Smart Connector is a missed opportunity. Only one single peripheral works with it? I’d buy the Zagg in a heartbeat if it used it. The 10.5 Slim Combo is ideal, uses SC and removable keyboard.
Holy wall of text batman.I feel you. I might pretty much be anti iPad (for my use anyways now) but it wasn't always that way. I had been using Macs since 2000, right when OS X started being pushed. My first iBook came with Mac OS 9 and OS X but defaulted to OS 9 and so I have been with Apple through a lot of trials such as OS X, which was not really ready until 10.2 came along. 10.0 didn't even have a working DVD App. Was with them through the pains of IBM based processors and the fustration of not being able to get a G5 into a laptop. I was with them through the intel shift. I bought the first iPhone through the iPhone 4, bought two iPod touches. At the time I thought iOS was brilliant and some ways still is for small mobile devices. ........
Yeah as I said i agree, it all comes down to personal preference. For me a Surface hits all the wants I want out of a tablet pc, for others the iPad hits all the marks. I do still stand by that Apple has become stagnant when it comes to making iOS better for tablet form devices. You are right that not everyone wants OS X slapped on a tablet and prefer devices optimized for their use cases but Apple has done nothing really to optimize the iPad or iOS for larger screen factors. It is still essentiualy a blown up small screen mobile device.I've always wondered if they had plans for the smart connector to charge the Apple Pencil 2 but then totally changed course during the design of the iPad Pro 3..
Holy wall of text batman.
Realistically, most of the people who love iOS and use it's apps day in/day out don't want it running Mac OS, or even something similar to Mac OS. For many jobs the way the iPad does things, and the app selection is actually preferable? What one person sees as a limitation another sees as a strength.
This admittedly means there are whole industries/types of work that the iPad is unsuitable for without devs picking up a lot of the slack, but I find that makes for an interesting platform too? I'd rather keep device categories separate. The best laptop is not a tablet. The best tablet is not a laptop.
I have a Surface provided to me by my work. I find the keyboard to be awful. It flexes a lot! I'm not a big fan of it for extended typing of any sort. At least the trackpad is pretty decent. Otherwise, the Surface sucks, the battery life is poor and if you do any real work on it, the fan kicks in and makes quite a noise.I feel like none of these options are good for lap-typing.
As said in the video about the Zagg case, the iPad detaches from the case when lap-typing. I already know the other two don't work for lap-typing because the type of stand those cases use causes the iPad to fall face-forward into your lap.
I believe lap-typing functionality is absolutely critical. If I wanted a desk-typing experience, I would use a desktop PC that is more ergonomic for that setting—not some tiny iPad I have to huddle around.
I have a feeling the Microsoft Surface product excels in this area, but I wouldn’t know.
I hope that Apple realizes their case is overpriced and dysfunctional for lap-typing (which one would expect to be acceptable for a portable PC).
How old is the Surface you have? The keyboard is nowhere near as solid as a normal laptop but I found it to be pretty sturdy. The newer keyboards feel really good but if it still to flexable there is always the Surface Book or Surface Laptop that has a real keyboard and a very good one at that. With my Surface Pro i was hitting about 6 hours of battery life which for me was pretty good because I didn't have unbelivable expectations considering it was a full laptop in a constrained tablet form factor. With my Surface Book I can easily get 9-10 hours out of it. The Surface Pros other than the i7's dont even have a fan anymore and they have made the cooling system a lot more effecient so that the fans don't kick in near as much than they use to.I have a Surface provided to me by my work. I find the keyboard to be awful. It flexes a lot! I'm not a big fan of it for extended typing of any sort. At least the trackpad is pretty decent. Otherwise, the Surface sucks, the battery life is poor and if you do any real work on it, the fan kicks in and makes quite a noise.
No mention that the Zagg seems to be the only one with a Fn key? That alone is motivation enough for me.
With all keyboard covers I've used, I've hated not to be able to forward delete. For me, that's truly what keeps the iPad experience from being comparable to a the one of a MacBook pro, and a constant annoyance ever time I want to delete some text and find myself bringing up the on-screen keyboard instead...
Is forward delete considered out-of-fashion and en route to be eliminated like the floppy or CD drive...?
As always, the haters think it's all about them.So there’s that. Using an iPad for serious typing is a stupid idea and having $250 cases for that is an idea I can’t wrap my head around.
I feel you. I might pretty much be anti iPad (for my use anyways now) but it wasn't always that way. I had been using Macs since 2000, right when OS X started being pushed. My first iBook came with Mac OS 9 and OS X but defaulted to OS 9 and so I have been with Apple through a lot of trials such as OS X, which was not really ready until 10.2 came along. 10.0 didn't even have a working DVD App. Was with them through the pains of IBM based processors and the fustration of not being able to get a G5 into a laptop. I was with them through the intel shift. I bought the first iPhone through the iPhone 4, bought two iPod touches. At the time I thought iOS was brilliant and some ways still is for small mobile devices. I was first in line to buy an iPad. I was one of the people who thought the tablet form of computing was the next step and couldn't wait for OS X to eventually be put on a tablet form factor, but then I just kept waiting and waiting lol. I ran across a Surface RT at best buy one day running Windows 8 and fell in love with it. The RT is really under appreciated for what it was. People were just misinformed. Windows 8 actually had an amazing UI for tablet/touch based forms. Even though it couldn't run any Win32 Applications, you still had a full desktop OS with a touch interface and a desktop interface when you wanted it too. It was pretty awesome to be able to hook up a mouse and keyboard and use full blown office with it sitting on my desk with its kickstand propping it up. It was also nice to be able to add a micro SD card to it considering it only came with 64gb SSD. I didn't have a problem with the lack of apps because work wise I just need Office and other than that the few apps I did use were in the Microsoft store. The only reason at this point I was still booting up my Macbook Pro was to torrent some files but once a torrent client came into the MS Store, I went on ebay and sold it. I was still using an iPhone 4 at this point but it came up for my upgrade time and when I went to the At&t store looked at the Windows 8 Mobile phones and since I loved the UI of Windows 8, switched to that. It still is to this day the best mobile UI i have ever used plus I was tired of how iOS hand kinda just stalled in innovation UI wise. Since then I have had a Surface Pro 3 and 4 which are amazing. It really is amazing to have a FULL computer in that form factor and most people call it a 2 in 1 but its really a 3 in 1, a pretty good tablet(but I will admit not the best, but then again I don't think the iPad is either. The iPad is better but it is nowhere what it could be and that's why I don't say its the best because no company has yet to make a best), I would say for me a near perfect laptop experience and third, a pretty could desktop experience when docked to an external mouse, keyboard and display. When the iPad came out I relly wanted it to be amazing. When I heard rumors of the iPad Pro I was excited and might have switched back had it run OS X but I have come to realize Apple is less about innovating than it is about milking now days. Apple could easily turn the iPad Pro into a surface killer if they wanted too and it would be but they don't care about being the best because then they wouldn't get the profits from you having to buy a tablet, laptop and desktop to fit the use case of the Surface Products.
Yeah as I said i agree, it all comes down to personal preference. For me a Surface hits all the wants I want out of a tablet pc, for others the iPad hits all the marks. I do still stand by that Apple has become stagnant when it comes to making iOS better for tablet form devices. You are right that not everyone wants OS X slapped on a tablet and prefer devices optimized for their use cases but Apple has done nothing really to optimize the iPad or iOS for larger screen factors. It is still essentiualy a blown up small screen mobile device.
I AM really bad at not putting paragraphs when it comes to writing on forums and i guess i take it in the same regards as texting where I dont worry about format for some reason; which is ironic because I actually make a living off writing. I guess i just kinda zone out when typing casually but you arent the first person to mention this, so I think it is time I make a better effort. =)I love some of the things that you have to say in all of this, your content seems to merit some value. I couldn’t get past the nature of how you wrote it though. Paragraphs and putting ideas together better in that regard would really help you with what you have to say. I’m not trying to be the grammar police here, but it was difficult to follow the flow because of the run on paragraph that you had in your response.
Back on topic, I like my iPad Pro 11” and the Logitech Bluetooth keyboard that I use for it on occasion. Typing on the touch screen is a pretty good experience for me. My biggest complaint about any of the keyboards (virtual or actual) is the fact that on screen keyboard does not split for the thumbs like the Air and Mini on screen keyboards do.
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I disagree completely.
My experience on my iPad mini is much different than my iPhone. The iPad mini is not an iPhone XS Max Max. Different use case situations for each one. The iPad mini is a better device for doing e-reading and newspapers and comics. I find that the iPhone is more for social media and quick texts back, etc.
Not without a trackpad it isnt.
I'm less hating on the actual keyboard then I am about Apple just not making trackpad/touchpad/mouse support in iPads... =)That’s a valid point. Not as needed in my case. Still an excellent keyboard in my opinion.
I actually enjoy typing on the Smart Keyboard Folio for the iPad Pro 11”.
However my biggest issue is limited screen adjustments. Specifically when the keyboard is folded flat against the back of the unit so the device can only sit flat on a table.
Are there any Keyboard cases that also provide a slightly propped up angle (like 15%?) similar to what the regular Smart Folio cases allows? I find that to be an optimal way to view for simple viewing, or when using the pencil for drawing...