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Apple's Soundtrack now Standalone

Uh, look up. I already said that.

Originally posted by P-Worm
I don't think that you can import audio files if that is what you mean. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't see any "import audio file" or anything similar to that.
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There's an import feature listed on the both the FCP section and the ST page.
 
soundtrack not music's imovie, but rather fce...

soundtrack seems to be the final cut express for audio... "soundtrack lite" may be the product "imusic" which people have speculated about apple eventually producing

unlike imovie, soundtrack will not be bundled with new computers or in a $49 multimedia pack, but soundtrack lite/imusic would...

afc
 
The interaction between FCP and Soundtrack, and LiveType, is strictly an import-export thing. It works very well, but it's not *tight* integration
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Teehee. Methinks this will change for Final Cut Pro 5. Apple's developing quite the workflow but they need to "Digital Hub'it"


I'm thinking Logic 7 has some nifty looping functions included.
 
Originally posted by King Cobra
A few queries to any FCP4 user:

Can Soundtrack also generate audio just as Sound Studio can? (i.e. add tone, add frequencies)

Can Soundtrack also change the pitch of an audio clip but keep the duration the same?

If so, then I think I'll be picking this app up.
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It automatically scales the library loops to whatever tempo and signature you're project is in, and you can change the pitch of any custom recording to fit the tempo of our work, I guess you can alter pitch and time independantly as you can in Logic.

I'm not sure about the tone generattion capabilities, but anything in video has to generate tones otherwise it's a bit useless, it sounds like you'd like an additive synth module built in.
 
Originally posted by solvs
Uh, look up. I already said that.


There's an import feature listed on the both the FCP section and the ST page.
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It'll import aiff and wav files, and as it can output up to 96Khz 24-bit, I guess it'll import such as well.
 
This is an audio only package, it has no midi capability at all, which distances it from Logic in a big way, that's the big difference, this is a different kind of product than Logic, it's designed to support the audio in FCP/FCE/iMovie/iDVD etc. but there's still space for an entry level MIDI/audio package based on traditional sequencer dynamics.
 
Originally posted by asim
Then the real question is:
Can it import/edit .m4p files from iTMS???
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Probably not, it's a creative audio engine that allows real-time audio recording/editing. You could always play them in froma CD I guess, or convert them to .aiff in iTunes and then import them and edit.
 
Originally posted by nuckinfutz
Think of Audition nee Cool Edit Pro as a mini Logic.
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This is not true. Cool Edit Pro, pardon me, Audition, is Logic on steroids. The source clean up (noise reduction) alone is in a legue of its own. $50k rack mounted equipment isn't as good.

Cool Edit has been getting a bum rap for not having Logic or Digidesign's marketting muscle. But it is every bit as good, and more.
 
Soundtrack is a looping program. If any of you guys out there are looking at it as an audio editing program, keep looking, this is not an audio editor. While you can import audio that you have recorded, you need to record from another program like pro tools. This program is for creating royalty free soundtracks for your FCP project.

So once again, this is a looping program, which in my opinion is a very good one, but anyone wanting to crop and splice songs from thier music collection or apply filters will find it very difficult and cuase themselves a great headache. I don't understand why apple is offereing this program outside of FCP other then to offer it to DJs or people that like to make monitonious looped dance tracks.

Just my opinion.

Peas.
 
Originally posted by Laslo Panaflex
I don't understand why apple is offereing this program outside of FCP other then to offer it to DJs or people that like to make monitonious looped dance tracks.
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If you are under the impression of dance music being monotonous and repetitive then you are definately listening to the wrong end of the music spectrum. I have some amazing music here that is unique, varied and very creative.
 
If I am not mistaken, Bias Peak can manipulate audio pitches or track length, but not change the other.

Sound Studio is demoware (actually, it's reinstallware) and I can generate any audible tones I want with Sound Studio. You know those censor beeps you hear on the radio and on TV? Sound Studio can make them.

I'm disappointed to hear about Soundtrack not being what I wanted. I think I'll stick with Bias Peak and Sound Studio for a while, as they more suit my needs. Those two put together are about $250.
 
Ok, I have it with FCP4 and I've just played with it - its ok - some good sound effects and a great way to put things together if you record your own and need something for a video.

But its not all that easy to find what you're looking for - you could spend days fiddling with the controls and listening to all the loops.....

I'll use it from time to time, but mostly I'll do single tracks for sound effects.

D
 
Originally posted by nuckinfutz
No. Think of Audition nee Cool Edit Pro as a mini Logic. Think of Soundtrack as Acid Lite. The creator of Acid works for Apple ..so his influences are in the program.

This is good. This means Soundtrack will be updated on it's own and not on a typical Final Cut Pro cycle.
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a ha. pardon my ignorance.
admittedly, i never even installed the demo copy of Acid I have (PC only) so i really didn't remember the program exists. but, you right, Soundtrack does sound more like Acid. And, I trust you know that it is more like it.
The standalone direction makes it more accessible to to other people who work in non-FCP/multimedia. this is a good thing.
 
Originally posted by encro
Ableton Live is a rock solid application with Midi and ReWire capability also.

I believe Ableton Live is still the better product but I wouldn't mind having a play around with
Apple Soundtrack anyway.
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Unfortunately, Ableton Live does not have AU support or any other virtual instrument interface format other than ReWire. Another thing is that Live is not an Altivec coded application either.

I guess the problem with Soundtrack is that it doesn't have ReWire support and therefore can't connect to Reason, even though it does support AU for other virtual instruments. If Soundtrack had ReWire, I'd use it instead of Live or MOTU DP4.
 
Can you really create music with this??

Ok well I'm completly new to all of these music apps but I've always thought about looking into makin music. Can you really just create music from what they give you? I guess its all loops right? I like what I call electronic/ambient music and it would be cool to make it. So the loops would be good for that I guess. What apps do I want or need to start? Is soundtrack good for starters or do you think there something better?

Thanks for any advice.
 
Originally posted by Laslo Panaflex
Soundtrack is a looping program. If any of you guys out there are looking at it as an audio editing program, keep looking, this is not an audio editor. While you can import audio that you have recorded, you need to record from another program like pro tools. This program is for creating royalty free soundtracks for your FCP project.

So once again, this is a looping program, which in my opinion is a very good one, but anyone wanting to crop and splice songs from thier music collection or apply filters will find it very difficult and cuase themselves a great headache. I don't understand why apple is offereing this program outside of FCP other then to offer it to DJs or people that like to make monitonious looped dance tracks.

Just my opinion.

Peas.
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Soundtrack records live audio as well as using loops, this from the downloadable pdf on the Soundtrack page:
 
Re: Can you really create music with this??

Originally posted by GiantXX5
Ok well I'm completly new to all of these music apps but I've always thought about looking into makin music. Can you really just create music from what they give you? I guess its all loops right? I like what I call electronic/ambient music and it would be cool to make it. So the loops would be good for that I guess. What apps do I want or need to start? Is soundtrack good for starters or do you think there something better?

Thanks for any advice.
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It depends on your interpretation of creating music. Do you want to use someone elses structured loops to assemble in your own manner or write everything from the ground up?

Good starter apps would be either Soundtrack, Live or Phrazer.
 
Originally posted by php
Unfortunately, Ableton Live does not have AU support or any other virtual instrument interface format other than ReWire. Another thing is that Live is not an Altivec coded application either.
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It's not perfect but I think the fact it's not optimized for AltiVec doesn't matter. It's a very well coded application, blazing fast, VST plugins.

Unfortunately it doesn't offer Instruments nor Note programming nor AU support just as you said. Still it's a fairly new product with plenty of options for the future.
 
Originally posted by WinterMute
Soundtrack records live audio as well as using loops, this from the downloadable pdf on the Soundtrack page:
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I stand corrected, but why would you want to use the audio in/mic for any type of recording, expecially on an iMac emac, the soud quality would not be that clear, certainly not as good as the loops that come with the app. As for using a OS X core audio compatable device, yeah those would help, but you can get a Mbox for around $450 and it comes with pro tools LE, which is much more powerful then soundtrack. Soundtrack is a system hog, requires a 733mhz g4. I run it on a 800mhz G4 and it runs pretty slow pro tools runs 10 times faster when I import the same loops. Soundtrack is much easier to use than pro tools, but the rather high price and high system requirements and slow performance make me leary of recomending it for any intense looping projects.

Sorry, but I would never buy this as a standalone app, I would just use pro tools and download free loops. It's a cool looping program for begginers, begginers that have $300 dollars to spare and a pretty high end g4.🙂

Peas.
 
Originally posted by Laslo Panaflex
I don't understand why apple is offereing this program outside of FCP...

Just my opinion.

Peas.
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Maybe because not all FCP users are using FCP 4. There are plenty of FCP 1 thru 3 users out there that could make good use of Soundtrack too.


Lethal
 
Originally posted by LethalWolfe
Maybe because not all FCP users are using FCP 4. There are plenty of FCP 1 thru 3 users out there that could make good use of Soundtrack too.
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True, but the cost of upgrading to FCP 4 is 100 dollars more than the standalone soundtrack. They could also make good use of livetype, compressor and, oh yeah, FCP 4. Why would any FCP user upgrade to soundtrack and not udate FCP and the other apps like livetype and compressor (both very cool programs as well). The reason why the app cost so much is becuase you are paying for the 4,000 high qaulity royalty free loops, not becuase the app is so killer at audio editing.

Its a nice app, but I think that some people read it as being more than it is. . . which is just a looping program, nothing more.
 
Originally posted by Laslo Panaflex
True, but the cost of upgrading to FCP 4 is 100 dollars more than the standalone soundtrack. They could also make good use of livetype, compressor and, oh yeah, FCP 4. Why would any FCP user upgrade to soundtrack and not udate FCP and the other apps like livetype and compressor (both very cool programs as well).
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Maybe they have an older G4 w/o an AGP slot. Maybe they aren't in a position to switch to FCP 4 because they are in the middle of a project and/or have a steady stream of projects and can't afford the down time of upgrading to 4. Maybe they don't want to be a bug finding early adopter and are going to wait a point release or 2 before they switch to FCP 4. But in the meantime the money they spend on Soundtrack will be less than their projected spending for licensed music.


Lethal

EDIT: And just for clarification, yes I do feel like being an argruementative PITA right now. 😉
 
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