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The market share percentages tell their own story: Apple, Toshiba, and Lenovo up, HP and Dell down.

This.

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I also have been in the market for a new computer going on 6 months, but the timing wasn't quite right before. Now I'm waiting on Haswell.

There's no need to purchase a new computer with a new chipset coming out the end of May/by June 7.

I'll probably be in the market for something from Lenovo or even Vizio's Rev.B products if Apple doesn't come up with anything worthwhile (and Retina isn't worthwhile to me) before I make my purchase.
 
The Jobs aura is wearing off. Tim Cook just hasn't got it. :(

Not analyzing much what is happening in the market?

Plenty of posts from tablets and smartphones cutting into the computer market, non regular refresh cycles by consumers and corporations.

Plus every Richard, Thomas and Harold has a computer or access to it by now.

Nothing anybody's aura can do about facts!
 
Xcode doesn't exist for iOS, and I can't imagine any reality where it would. It's physically impossible to type out code at any reasonable speed on a glass keyboard.

It's a shame Bluetooth keyboards and mice don't exist. Too bad there is no such thing as mirroring apps either. Oh wait, they do.
 
A lot of people only use a PC (windows or mac) to get online and surf some Web sites, but an ipad can do that.
 
Lenovo is making good quality very well priced notebooks and it shows.

Apple is doing worse than it seems. I'd say a good chunk of that drop is due to windows 8 (and therefore not applicable to macs).

You got it about Windows 8 causing a decline in PC sales:

As if that news wasn't troubling enough, it appears that a pivotal makeover of Microsoft's ubiquitous Windows operating system seems to have done more harm than good since the software was released last October.
http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/wireStory/research-firm-pc-sales-plunge-windows-flops-18926235

I've been shopping around for a new desktop but decided to have one built to my specs solely to avoid Windows 8.
 
I wouldn't say taking over, I'd say increased length between computer purchases. Several years ago, the idea of a computer lasting 5 years was ludicrous. Today, it's a bit more palatable, especially when an SSD and 8GB RAM upgrade can make a computer act like brand new.

This is one reason I maxed out my new 27" iMac so it should give a longer useful life.

I will be jumping on the Table bandwagon when Apple updates the iPad Mini.
 
The real numbers is what counts

Ok well according to c|net Gartner's numbers were 180 degrees opposite to IDC. So who's numbers do we believe?

They only real numbers are Apples, this whole thread is just hearsay. No one knows the numbers until the quarterly report is released. All of these jerks are usually wrong Lol
 
I think it makes sense: If you can't afford a good computer, you could get a good tablet instead. That way, you can always afford a good experience, if you don't need a full computer.

What is more suited for your parents? An expensive computer with a discreet GPU and hyperthreading? A slow, low end PC that keeps popping up messages about updating software you don't even use, security alerts about potential threats that won't happen, problems with network connections you don't even have, with a needlessly complex file system? Or a simple tablet that does just what they need in an easy way?

People are switching from crap computers to tablets, and computers will no longer be the thing that everyone must have to get anything done, whether they need all its features or not. Tablets are better suited for simple tasks, and computers should only be used by those who actually need the extra stuff.

And of course people don't like Windows 8, why did they think people are going to like it? "Wow I have a great idea, let's make a particularly bad operating system made up of giant, un-stylized, colorful rectangles, I bet people will love it" well guess what, nope!

This.

I just purchased a new Mac mini because I wanted the cheaper entrance fee, as I already had an old 23" Cinema Display, keyboard and mouse, and needed to do some occasional video editing with Adobe After Effects which would require some heavy lifting - and this little mini outperforms my 2006 Mac Pro most assuredly...(although the next revision of the Mac Pro should truly be interesting, as it will be the Swan Song of the Desktop as we know it.)

I believe that for the average user, the desktop is on its way out, albeit slowly. While I feel that there will always be some sort of desktop requirement out there, that between advances in VDI and other technologies, it's done.
 
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Why bother upgrading a computer, sure there are new features but the average joe can do everything they need to on a pentium 4. All these new computers are faster etc but they dont do anything an old computer cant do for the average joe and none of them are faster feeling than an ipad or have such an easy way to find cheap software
 
processing improvements have been incremental over the last several years. it's not like the 90's when in one year you had the Pentium I and 2 years later you had the Pentium III and your Pentium I couldn't even run AOL 5.0

the processing improvements were substantial in the mid-late 90's into the early 2000's, so much so that regular programs couldn't even run on a 2yr old processor (including MS Office versions). now, only the most extreme first person shooter video games are unable to run on a machine that's 2-3 yrs old

also, before tablets many people would buy a desktop for the processing power and then a portable laptop to be mobile. now, people buy either a desktop and a tablet or a laptop and a tablet
 
I still have no need to upgrade my 2010 iMac. I did recently build a HTPC/Console for my gaming needs. So technically that is a PC sale from a Mac-faithful.

Damn 27" top-spec 2010 iMac is just too good!
 
Why bother upgrading a computer, sure there are new features but the average joe can do everything they need to on a pentium 4. All these new computers are faster etc but they dont do anything an old computer cant do for the average joe and none of them are faster feeling than an ipad or have such an easy way to find cheap software

Pentium 4 as an example is too extreme. A Core 2 Duo is a better example of "enough" for modern use.
 
It's not that Jobs _predicted_ that the PC market had peaked. By introducing the iPad, he actually _made_ it peak. If Apple hadn't introduced the iPad, there would still have been some reasonable growth in the PC market.

It may have been in "netbooks" and other bottom-of-the-barrel devices. Tablets are far more profitable.

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Blue is more of a feature update than anything else. It is Windows 8.1. The biggest thing being a File Manager in Metro.

True, but by some measures, Windows 7 was "Vista.1" as well. It is officially Windows 6.1 if you run the VER command from the command line.

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Why is Apple growing on the 2nd table while dropping on the 1st one? I'm confused.:confused:

Both tables are just guesses from analysts. Until and unless the companies on the table release actual data, we won't know for sure.
 
True, but by some measures, Windows 7 was "Vista.1" as well. It is officially Windows 6.1 if you run the VER command from the command line.
I am not going to be that anal about it. It is literally Windows 8.1. Windows Blue is a feature update that will be available to for existing Windows 8 users.

I would not even go as far as to call it a Service pack. Metro applications are getting overhauled and tweaked, the Search feature is going to revert its behavior to what it as like under Windows 7, and other touch methods are being altered or added.
 
Here another analyst take is that Windows 8 is a flop and accounting for the continued decline in PC sales.

http://news.yahoo.com/research-firm-pc-sales-plunge-windows-8-flops-200210332--finance.html

Probably some truth to this, but I think it's just purely a fact that the technology today is lasting a bit longer.... I know even my 7 year MBP still has some life in it... and the fact that many people are just switching to tablets or using their phones more and the home PC is just becoming more and more of a less needed item.
 
I was walking through the mall the other day, and my eye caught sight of someone using a Lenovo X1 Carbon. Now, I've seen details of this model online, but first time I've seen one actually used. I must say, it looked so snazzy, I found myself looking back twice as I walked along.

As I walk through a typical computer shop, in my view the designs of HP, Dell and other makers absolutely are the pox. It's as if those designers purposely tried to make their designs so ugly.

Whereas, in my view, the designs I find beautiful are from Apple and some Lenovo models -- some Lenovo, not all, particularly the ones reminiscent of the old IBM Thinkpads.

And it so happens that the two companies -- of which I find their designs beautiful -- are the ones that are growing, while everyone else is declining.

Am I just a genius? Or is the PC design industry staffed by morons. Why can't they see what seems obvious to me?

I suspect there are great designers among the staff, but the heads of PC manufacturers are probably staid and set in their ways.
 
Why bother upgrading a computer, sure there are new features but the average joe can do everything they need to on a pentium 4. All these new computers are faster etc but they dont do anything an old computer cant do for the average joe and none of them are faster feeling than an ipad or have such an easy way to find cheap software

The Pentium 4 has some severe limitations that affect a lot of people, even if Joe Six-pack doesn't have a problem.

For my Core i7 home system, the big headache is that it's maxed out at 24 GiB of RAM. I'll be replacing it soon solely due to that limitation.

Your comments are true for some, but for people who need more RAM even systems from a few years ago are inadequate.
 
I have a MacBook Pro, but I could almost live without it at this point. I use my iPhone and iPad far more often. I basically need my notebook computer to manage my media and connect to my backup USB drives. iOS just needs a bit more flexibility, like being able to browse files, and interface with external drive, and then my MBP would be endangered.
 
If tablets take over the world, where will people write applications for those tablets?

On tablets with a keyboard, mouse, and screen attached. Eventually, a PC will just be a tablet.

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You got it about Windows 8 causing a decline in PC sales:


http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/wireStory/research-firm-pc-sales-plunge-windows-flops-18926235

I've been shopping around for a new desktop but decided to have one built to my specs solely to avoid Windows 8.

Why not just get one and upgrade it to Windows 7? I upgraded a Vista tower I have to XP a long time ago.
 
Sooooo, respected analyst IDC thinks that Apple's PC sales were down 7% while respected analyst Gartner says they were up 7% and people still put stock in these estimates from "respected" analysts. If you ask me, it is hard to respect the analysts when the margin of error there is so wide.
 
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