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Apple's U.S. Mac Shipments Fall 7.5% as Overall PC Market Plunges 14% Year-Over-Year [Updated]

Zerotolerance said:
I think the new iMacs have been a huge disappointment. Removing the useful DVD slot to create the useless "illusion" of thinness wasn't worth it. And the ongoing unavailability of a matte screen has kept a significant chunk of the professional graphic design market looking elsewhere.
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Few people care about a DVD Slot. Go buy an external.
 
bawbac said:
So it's acceptable for Apple computers that have only penatrated ~10% of the computer market but not OK for a tablet for real business work or use to have the same market share?
Does this mean Apple computers are a flop?
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The surface has gained 10% market share? Ok, that is better than I thought, I admit. Anyway, of course it's fine and sure, the surface is no flop under the premise that it never was thought to compete with the iPad and I can imagine that it will establish itself in it's own niche just like Apple computers have established themselves too.

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iGrip said:
Apple knows how to make scads of moolah. Nobody could argue otherwise.
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Yes, it seems that some of their products are pretty successful.

So Apple will sell whatever will produce profits, whether superior, inferior or otherwise.
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If that's your conclusion... but then what else to expect from someone like you ;-) , you love Apple products, don't you?

I don't find the iPad inferior or superior to the Surface. Obviously both products target different groups of users.
 
Itpirate said:
People are not refreshing computers like they used to. Where I work it has gone from a 3 year refresh, to a 4, and now 5 year refresh.

We are also starting to implement VDI where it makes sense and this will really start to eat into computer sales.

The days of swapping out that old workstation every 2 to 3 years are gone.
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This is and has been very true for consumers...remember when 1994-2000 everyone was a)buying a computer and b)probably refreshing every 2-3 years? Yea...no longer...for tons and tons of reasons...*ONE* reason of course is tablets/smartphones that suffice for some people's internet habits (email, light surfing, and Youtube).

Personally I feel Dell is complete trash now...both hardware wise and company policies wise. I used to enjoy buying Dells back in the late 90s till 2003 but Dell just has gone into the trash can. And Dell is/was the #1 PC vendor for a long time...so as more people feel like me axe Dell (I now love Lenovo) while they contemplate who/when to buy, the market numbers take a hit.
 
fastasleep said:
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Apple was very correct to remove the optical drive. There's absolutely no reason to put them in millions of machines when fewer and fewer people actually use them. I'm about to rip my optical out of my MBP to make room for a second hard drive —*I haven't used the damn thing more than once or twice in the last year.
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I was thinking about having the same done myself seeing I have NEVER used my opitical drive..
 
Steve121178 said:
I don't think Tim Cook is responsible for a worldwide recession and countries going bankrupt.

People don't have any money so they are hardly going to spend 1000's on a computer when food & heating is more important!
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But according to Gartner and NPD Apple's Mac shipments are up not down.

http://9to5mac.com/2013/04/11/us-mac-shipments-down-7-5-or-maybe-up-7-4-or-possibly-up-14/

As of right now Microsoft's stock is down 5%, Apple is actually up on the day.

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mslide said:
I'm shocked Apple only dropped that much with their computers being so much more expensive compared to budget PCs that have more than enough power for the great majority of consumers. That combined with how long a Mac can last.
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Gartner and NPD are saying Mac sales didn't drop but went up.

http://9to5mac.com/2013/04/11/us-mac-shipments-down-7-5-or-maybe-up-7-4-or-possibly-up-14/
 
Itpirate said:
People are not refreshing computers like they used to. Where I work it has gone from a 3 year refresh, to a 4, and now 5 year refresh.

We are also starting to implement VDI where it makes sense and this will really start to eat into computer sales.

The days of swapping out that old workstation every 2 to 3 years are gone.
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Six year refresh for the company I work for. Not really a big deal since we mainly deal with memo's, contracts, and spreadsheets.
 
Lone Deranger said:
The Jobs aura is wearing off. Tim Cook just hasn't got it. :(
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growing PC marketshare quarter after quarter, most profitable PC vendor, most profitable mobile vendor....yeah total suckfest for Cook.

groan....get real. if thats failure then i would kill for my business to be as unlucky.
 
Itpirate said:
People are not refreshing computers like they used to. Where I work it has gone from a 3 year refresh, to a 4, and now 5 year refresh.

We are also starting to implement VDI where it makes sense and this will really start to eat into computer sales.

The days of swapping out that old workstation every 2 to 3 years are gone.
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rhett7660 said:
Six year refresh for the company I work for. Not really a big deal since we mainly deal with memo's, contracts, and spreadsheets.
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Yup, sounds about right. In the past, shorter refreshes were required because software & OS refreshes required more powerful computers. Now the min. requirements for software has tapered off, things are becoming more browser based and/or virtual.

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Oracle1729 said:
I actually hope you're right, computers were so much better before they went mainstream. If "virtually 100%" of consumers leave the traditional PC market it can go back to being a niche for people with actual brains. It would be wonderful to go back to having a tiny market aimed at people who actually understand what they're doing and don't need hand-holding idiot features. Even if lower demand doubles prices, I'm used to that from before the computer explosion and am quite happy for it to happen again.
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Sorry, is this a joke? It has :

"I liked computers before they were cool" (so, 1982?)

"'Actual' computers" (vs. fake computers?)

"People who use anything but a Mac Pro are dum-dums and people like me are so smart" (what an amazing coincidence!)

"Progress is dumb, things should be as hard as they ever were, it's the only way I know how to measure my worth"

It's like computer nerd bingo, so my apologies if it was sarcasm.
 
It's Windows' fault?

I haven't used Windows 8 but from what I've heard, MS continues to flounder in bringing a user experience that people love. Good news for Apple, maybe?

http://blog.laptopmag.com/windows-8-shipments-biggest-drop-ever

Though certainly not a market crusher, IMO Apple is doing a bit of their own user experience floundering with Lion and M Lion. (I hope Ives can rescue OS X from its current nagahide slide. ;)
 
Lone Deranger said:
The Jobs aura is wearing off. Tim Cook just hasn't got it. :(
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It's simpler than that. :)

There is more and better competition than when Jobs was here. They are still executing on Steve's product release plans. 2 or 3 years to go still. Then you can start to blame Tim.
 
The "Post-PC Era" concept is overrated.

It's no wonder sales fall if, in addition, vendors confuse consumers with thin crippled computers that cannot be upgraded or "easily" repaired.
 
cppguy said:
A tablet is nice for reading in the bed or on the couch, but for working all day every day... you gotta be kidding me. How can you give up your 27" display, a physical keyboard and a proper mouse? That said, I'm a hardcore developer working with PDF, DOC, images, while doing photography as a hobby. I don't see myself giving up real computers, unless some sort of a direct brain interface is developed.

What happens is that for basic computer use a yearly upgrade is not necessary. Even I upgrade every 3 years or so, even though I'm running 10 virtual machines and shoot 36 megapixel images. The average person doesn't have to upgrade at all anymore. Unless they're still running Windows XP, which slows down completely after 2 years of use.
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Yeah because it's known that hard core developper are the most representative of the computer industry... Ho wait.

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SmileyBlast! said:
It's simpler than that. :)

There is more and better competition than when Jobs was here. They are still executing on Steve's product release plans. 2 or 3 years to go still. Then you can start to blame Tim.
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Even simpler, the numbers were wrong as gartner report apple is increasing.
 
everything-i said:
PC's have become so powerful now that 6 year old machines are still quite capable and reliability is also very high so why replace them when money is tight.
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The main reason is planned OS and app obsolescence. Apps and OS makers make it so the new versions of their software don't last forever and need upgrading. And this requires more and more hardware hence the hardware upgrade cycle. The best example of this is the iOS world. Wait long enough and you can't buy a single app from the app store. Cause they all want an OS version what won't run on your iOS device anymore.
 
Yet Windows PC shipments must have fallen 20%! HP, Acer, Dell are in a death spiral. Asus & Lenovo seem primed to take over. Maybe Microsoft will join them.
 
HenryDJP said:
A good chunk of Apple's hardware sales plummeting is due to Windows 8? OKAY!!!:rolleyes:
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Sorry that was unclear. I meant that if windows 8 hadn't launched pc sales wouldn't have dropped as much and apple would be looking, comparatively speak, much worse.
 
the8thark said:
The main reason is planned OS and app obsolescence. Apps and OS makers make it so the new versions of their software don't last forever and need upgrading. And this requires more and more hardware hence the hardware upgrade cycle. The best example of this is the iOS world. Wait long enough and you can't buy a single app from the app store. Cause they all want an OS version what won't run on your iOS device anymore.
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Planned obsolescence has well preceded App devices.

At the very least, purchased Apps remained purchased even if you buy a new device; a benefit I think goes unnoticed. My Atari cartridges will never ever fit my Playstation 4, and if those games are rereleased for that console, I will have to buy them again. The App I bought three years ago, however, will still work on the next iOS device I get.
 
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