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The whole daily activity/exercise/calorie goal need a re-design. Its one of the few things I feel doesn't really work on my Apple Watch.

I love the Apple Watch. I have tried Fitbit, Garmin and Samsung and I find the Apple Watch to just be better in pretty much every possible way. And Apple keeps on improving the Activity and Workout-app at phase that no one else seems to be even close to match.

But I fully agree. The whole approach to daily goals feels somewhat awkward to me. Having this set amount of calories and exercise mirrored and identical for every single day doesn’t make much sense. I don’t plan exercises for every single day, and no one really should unless they count things like walking for 30 minutes as a exercise.. If I was going to do my exercises every single day it would not be good for my body..

What if you consider your daily goal your MINIMUM daily required activity, on a non-gym day?
I think that is how most people I've talk to about it use it.
[doublepost=1528145567][/doublepost]Surprisingly no mention of Sleep tracking. They bought Beddit last year. There are several phone/watch apps that do a decent job (using motion sensor & HR data from the watch), maybe they are trying not to step on the developers.


I am split of 3rd party watch faces. I had a few Pebbles prior to my Apple Watch S0, and 98% of the watch faces in their store were garbage.
 
Apple did most of what I wanted in this update. I hike a lot, and it's always been disappointed to see the small credit I get for going up half a mile. I also seem to always forget to start and/or end my workouts, so this is also just what I needed. And podcasts. So excited. Walkie Talkie will be a wait-and-see for me, but it sounds awesome.

Of course, new watch faces are the big thing missing. At this point, I'd pay a lot for a really good third-party face like the one demo'd periodically. The new pride face is pretty boring. I'm not gay, but it's nice to support others, but I was really hoping for something more exciting. Here's hoping that at least Apple surprises us in the fall with some new faces.

Overall, though, I'm pretty excited. I really do love my Apple Watch, and they are fixing a lot of things that I'll use everyday.
 
Did I hear correctly that you’ll be able to raise your watch and start talking immediately to Siri without the “Hey Siri” command?
 
What if you consider your daily goal your MINIMUM daily required activity, on a non-gym day?
I think that is how most people I've talk to about it use it.
[doublepost=1528145567][/doublepost]Surprisingly no mention of Sleep tracking. They bought Beddit last year. There are several phone/watch apps that do a decent job (using motion sensor & HR data from the watch), maybe they are trying not to step on the developers.


I am split of 3rd party watch faces. I had a few Pebbles prior to my Apple Watch S0, and 98% of the watch faces in their store were garbage.


But then it will mostly just end up being about figuring out what tends to be your lowest calorie burn throughout a week and set that as a goal. Having a minimum goal such as this is not really motivating or pushing you towards anything which I guess is the whole purpose to it to begin with?

I think it would be much better to change from it doing everything statically on a daily basis over to something that is weekly or something. Have a weekly goal existing of x-amount of exercises and calories burned throughout the week and do a weekly measurement and compare it towards your goals. That would make much more sense if you ask me, but that would of course be more advanced compared to having these circles that Apple seems to love but it would be much more valuable.

These circles doesn't make much sense when compared to others either. I just started sharing activity with my fiancee and I get notifications telling me when she reaches her goals, when she finishes circles etc and tries to encourage me to do the same. But its just stupid to have this comparison and everything going on when her daily calorie goal is just 1/4 of what I have and when we get comparisons it paints everything in a light where it looks like she is doing much better than me just because she have set way lower goals.
 
What if you consider your daily goal your MINIMUM daily required activity, on a non-gym day?
That's how I have it set, although not intentionally. I set up my watch on day 1 for "moderate" activity level and it chose 700 for me.

I find that to reach 700 during a non-workout day, I have to get at least 12000 steps or 6 miles. If I sit on my ass at work all day, I have to walk on a treadmill for about an hour to reach 700. Obviously, if I run a few miles, I'll hit 700 without a problem, but I don't run every day.

Here's an example of a typical, non-run day. I did a 1 mile walk at lunch and then jumped on the treadmill for about 30 minutes after dinner.

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I love how Apple keeps improving Activity and Workout. I find Apple Watch to be the best fitness-companion already and they just keep on improving it.

Maybe someday it will actually have as many features as actual fitness watches from Garmin and Polar.
 
I forgot about the automatic workout detection stuff. That to me is one of the best new features. There are so many times that I'll be a mile into a walk/run before I remember to start it, or I'll be sitting inside an hour later and realize my Watch is still going and collecting data and I get undeserved achievements for having a long exercise even though I wasn't. The competition stuff is also neat.

Walkie talkie mode is my next favorite feature. Being able to quickly hit up my wife on the weekend while running around doing errands is going to be great. I just hope we have control over when Walkie Talkie mode is active, such as only when I'm not at work, etc.

My wife doesn't yet have an Apple Watch, but perhaps some of these new features will persuade her to let me buy her one this autumn. Her FitBit has been giving her fits (hah) and so this might be the time to lure her over. Her main problem is she hasn't much cared for the look of the Watch.

Too bad there are no custom watch faces yet. Maybe next year…

I totally agree, the auto-start workout is terrific. Walky Talky will be great around the house.

I guess it hasn't been determined if WatchOS 5 will support all the way back to Series 0, though I think we may finally upgrade our S0s to S3s anyway.


To me, the most interesting feature is that the Pride watch face is available from the Watch Face Gallery, Over the Air.

Surely this paves the way for installing 3rd-Party watch faces?

That's an excellent observation, I don't recall if that's been done before[?]
 
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Still waiting for a new model of Apple Watch with a miniature front facing camera and the ability to chat Dick Tracy-style using FaceTime. Till then I'll keep my original Apple Watch.

That’s been a _long_ discussed feature if Apple will ever introduce a camera to the Apple Watch. My thoughts are they will not, simply because of battery constraints currently, but that could change. It probably would be a niche functionality, but some might find it useful if it were to support something like FaceTime, but for me; I don’t see the usefulness.
 
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I totally agree, the auto-start workout is terrific. Walky Talky will be great around the house.

I guess it hasn't been determined if WatchOS 5 will support all the way back to Series 0, though I think we may finally upgrade our S0s to S3s anyway.[?]
Actually it has, and it won't be supported. It has been reported on MacRumors. I'm waiting for Series 4 in September. New OS isn't coming out until then anyway so might as well wait.
 
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I am SOOOO Annoyed with Apple. I LOVE my Apple Watch, but the watch faces need a major refresh and not Buzz Lightyear. I want them to make creative watch face that professionals will love to have on their wrist. It is not a Childs toy. Please apple, help those of us out who love it as a watch first and everything else after.

I'm squarely in the camp that I see no reason to upgrade from my series zero. The watch is a great notification device to let me know that there is something happening on the awesome phone in my pocket. Not to do much else with. So if you gave me a version that I could maybe put my own cool/custom watch face on MAYBE I consider upgrading. Otherwise.... PASS. No need.
 
Actually it has, and it won't be supported. It has been reported on MacRumors. I'm waiting for Series 4 in September. New OS isn't coming out until then anyway so might as well wait.

Excellent, thanks, I watched the keynote and haven’t read too many followup reports.
 
Confused on the part about Yoga being added as a Workout. It was already a workout option in WatchOS 4 no? So assuming it's simply just been changed, what's changed about it?

Also love love love the auto start/stop workout feature. I forget to turn on 9 out of 10 times and forget turn off 8 out of ten times. I do Yoga classes, and HIT (which is what most gym classes seem to be this day such as CrossFit etc. Can someone confirm if those auto start/stop work with Yoga and HIT? As They showed a list quickly and it looked relatively short and didnt see those two at quick glance. If those two aren't supported that would be quite disappointing since that is probably the single biggest improvement to apple watch other than being able to use siri without having to say hey siri.
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Is there a scheduled theatre mode? What about 3rd party faces?
Yes, they mentioned the watch face will detect when your going to a movie (Such as presumably if you bought a ticket or something), and will offer an option to enable theater mode on the Siri face. No there are no 3rd party faces only third party items in the Siri watch face.
 
Yep.

My Versa has something like 200 watch face options, and 1/3 the weight.
Why would anyone complain about the weight of a watch? Is your arm really that weak? That's such a strange thing to complain about.
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What if you consider your daily goal your MINIMUM daily required activity, on a non-gym day?
I think that is how most people I've talk to about it use it.
[doublepost=1528145567][/doublepost]Surprisingly no mention of Sleep tracking. They bought Beddit last year. There are several phone/watch apps that do a decent job (using motion sensor & HR data from the watch), maybe they are trying not to step on the developers.


I am split of 3rd party watch faces. I had a few Pebbles prior to my Apple Watch S0, and 98% of the watch faces in their store were garbage.
Probably waiting for the series 4, as you'd need better battery life for sleep tracking really, and in my opinion the Siri watch face is all you really need, it's by far the most useful one
 
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I am SOOOO Annoyed with Apple. I LOVE my Apple Watch, but the watch faces need a major refresh and not Buzz Lightyear. I want them to make creative watch face that professionals will love to have on their wrist. It is not a Childs toy. Please apple, help those of us out who love it as a watch first and everything else after.
COMPLETELY agree with you on this. PLEASE Apple, get it together soon!
 
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Does the new SIRI function when you raise your arm work for anyone ? If I look at my watch nothing happens unless I still say 'Hey Siri' ?
 
Dang man, no cycling auto pause. When I stop a minute my Garmin pauses. My watch will only do it for running type workouts.
 
But then it will mostly just end up being about figuring out what tends to be your lowest calorie burn throughout a week and set that as a goal. Having a minimum goal such as this is not really motivating or pushing you towards anything which I guess is the whole purpose to it to begin with?

I think it would be much better to change from it doing everything statically on a daily basis over to something that is weekly or something.
Agreed, but does any smartwatch natively do that? I've looked at Garmin, Fitbit, and Apple. Garmin is closest with Training Status (https://www.garmin.com/en-US/runningscience/#training-status and https://www.garmin.com/en-US/cyclingdynamics/#training-load), but there is no planning feature, only a snapshot of where you are currently. The only fitness platforms I'm familiar with a proper focus on weekly/daily goals (for endurance sports) are TrainingPeaks, TodaysPlan, and TrainerRoad.

It seems to me "the problem" with 3 rings and other smartwatch goal systems is that it ultimately comes down to your goals. When I was overweight and sedentary, Fitbit's "weight watcher" focus on calories and steps made sense. After losing weight and realizing cycling was my preferred way to get cardio workouts, I signed up for an epic ride in the mountains and had 6 months to train from zero to hero. And thankfully (in retrospect) just before I bought the bike and registered for the event, my Fitbit Force was sent back on recall.

That experience taught me that once you are active there isn't much value to focusing on steps - seriously, is any coach going to tell you to go out and get more steps? That is when I learned about periodized training to maximize fitness for an event. Last year I did my first 200 mile ride, and that required stepping up my game with proper core/upper-back strength training. In the end I not only finished, but enjoyed the long epic day on the bike and more importantly, the day after!

Completely agree with you about daily goals, I take recovery days/weeks as seriously as training. These days its more about getting 2-3 days of free weights at the gym, and putting in the hours on the bike. I think Apple mostly got it right with the 3 rings, versus Fitbit. But both suffer from static daily goals. Again Garmin one ups in this area versus Apple/Fitbit, although Garmin doesn't offer any planning/prediction tools like TrainingPeaks and TrainerRoad.

What I like about Apple Watch is that it nicely integrates with best-in-class strength and cycling apps, multitasking, and superior notifications. If I had to pick one thing for Apple to improve upon, it would be to "out Fitbit" the Fitbit app on the phone. I'm happier with Apple Watch build quality and warranty policies vs Fitbit, in particular receiving warranty coverage even if I bought on eBay or 2nd hand (versus Fitbit requirements on first buyer and authorized reseller). But where Apple really stands out is integration with best-in-class apps, for example for years now I've been tracking weight/reps/sets on my watch or phone. That said, what Apple needs is a more user friendly app. And while Fitbit "has the best app" its rather odd that the Fitbit app can't answer simple questions like the number of miles running last week or last month. And forgot about getting daily cycling miles or swimming yards on the Fitbit dashboard. Personally I think Health and Activity need to be merged/enhanced, there are many obvious ways to simplify the dashboard with better use of graphics (e.g. Fitbit's tight cluster of goal rings make it easy to see daily goals at glance, albeit at the expense of limited drill down).
 
And they haven't fixed the super annoying monthly challenge bug that uses the previous month's activity to calculate and deny you the medal even when you have earned it!
 
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Walkie-Talkie would be good. Reminds me going back to basics. Strange how that happens with tech.
 
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