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Apple's Website Suggests M2 and M2 Pro Mac Announcements Were Originally Set for Fall 2022

MayaUser said:
shorter than the ipad3 ? i dont think Apple will do that again...3nm will be for Mac Pro for this year
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Oh god not that bad haha. That’s up there with the $400 price drop on the original iPhone on screwing over customers.

I was thinking maybe, November 2023 or January 2024. The next update is likely just gonna be the 3nm chip spec bump, now that we finally got WiFi 6E and HDMI 2.1

I suppose they may wait for Thunderbolt 5 or WiFi 7. Those might not arrive until around the rumored OLED displays though. I think that’s more 2025 and we’d possibly be getting a redesign (seems like ~ 4 years is the average design lifecycle)
 
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MayaUser said:
shorter than the ipad3 ? i dont think Apple will do that again...3nm will be for Mac Pro for this year
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That’s not how chip development works. They will launch the small versions first. If Mac Pro is M3 first, then it is a 2025 product.
 
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MacRum2011 said:
The prices in Australia are eye watering from the previous model. 16 Inch starting at $4,000 (i paid $3200 for my 16 Inch M1 Pro), even the 14 Inch starts at $3,200 (previously $2700). less people will buy them and buy a Air instead or even the entry Pro if they can deal with the older style and the problematic keyboard.
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I am priced out of buying a Mac at all, I need to connect 2 monitors for productivity reasons both at work and at home. The m2 chip does not support 2 external monitors, and paying €3000 for “all” that extra power and form factor I don’t need is just rediculous.
 
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anshuvorty said:
Almost 100% certain it was because of the COVID-19 explosion in China. Now that the holidays are over and things are returning back to somewhat a normal state of business in China, Apple was able to release these products.

I don't see how any other explanation makes logical sense.
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Good point — China only recently lifted lockdown restrictions. We were already into December before there was a reasonable opening. The uncertainty of the China situation is probably what caused them to cancel any plans for an “event” in Oct/Nov.
 
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I “love” how a story can be spun from such a little detail. It’ll be such a laugh if the mistake was only because we just went into the year 2023 and it’s still easy to write and think 2022. That would be a much simpler explanation. Lol.

Edit: What was it that is noted by Occam's razor....? ;-) ;-)
 
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TheYayAreaLiving 🎗 said:
So.. these are basically last year's (2022) MacBook Pro models? That is why we didn't see an iconic Midnight M2 MacBook Pro. Yeah, I'm still mad about that. Lost one day of sleep over it for nothing. Feeling salty... 😒

👀 My eyes on MacBook Air 15" (Midnight Edition).
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Why would you want your mac to look like a boring PC?
When Apple left the boring black colours for silver, people loved it. Now, for some very strange reason, people want their macs to look like old-school, boring PCs in black.
I'm happy I got my Air M2 in Silver, the right colour for a Mac.
 
dampfnudel said:
Production issues in China seem to be throwing a really irritating wrench into Apple’s plans lately and hopefully it’s starting to light a fire under Tim’s behind to take action other than to reduce his own pay.
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It's like Apple can't catch a break:
  • Previously, they blamed their efficiency and product output rate on Intel - Intel wasn't releasing chips fast enough > ditch Intel and design their own CPUs and have TSMC, the world leader in manufacturing chips, release their own chips
  • Now, it's China's somewhat utopian COVID policy that has hurt Apple with their efficiency > now they are trying to ditch China and diversify its supply chain and make it more redundant so that its supply chain isn't the bottleneck with its output rate.
Will we ever see an Apple with a "perfect" business in terms of its hardware output rate where it is just rolling out product after product with no hiccups? It will be fascinating to see. Maybe not during Tim's tenure as CEO.
 
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Velli said:
That’s not how chip development works. They will launch the small versions first. If Mac Pro is M3 first, then it is a 2025 product.
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You dont know that..Mac Pro can be the 3nm first mac..before or after the iphone this year
Mac Pro can be an WWDC thing or an late 2023
 
Velli said:
You obviously don’t work with anything affected by supply chains. 3 months delay of a product is REALLY GOOD under current circumstances. It is likely that other, less anticipated launches are seeing years of delays.

Try ordering a new car.
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Thats not how it works...its clear M2 Mba were no delays. These were delayed by 0 covid policy
my EQS arrived after 6.5 months after an deposit was made
Renault, Vw also are around 4-5 months, BMW 1 3 and 5 series are on 5-6 months
Try to do an actual in real life research
 
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Klagarde said:
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I am priced out of buying a Mac at all, I need to connect 2 monitors for productivity reasons both at work and at home. The m2 chip does not support 2 external monitors, and paying €3000 for “all” that extra power and form factor I don’t need is just rediculous.
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The cheapest M2 mini supports 2 external displays…

www.apple.com

Mac mini - Technical Specifications

See all the technical specifications for Mac mini with the M4 or M4 Pro chip.
www.apple.com
 
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MayaUser said:
Thats not how it works...its clear M2 Mba were no delays. These were delayed by 0 covid policy
my EQS arrived after 6.5 months after an deposit was made
Renault, Vw also are around 4-5 months, BMW 1 3 and 5 series are on 5-6 months
Try to do an actual in real life research
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Tesla 18 months. BMW i4 18 months. Kia/Hyundai “unknown”. Several VW models in the config I want 12+ months. Maybe regional differences… when I got my Mini Cooper just before Covid I waited 2 months for my custom config. Before that, 1 month for my Hyundai. You believing 5-6 months is normal just proves my point. Many other products have horrible delivery times, and/or inflated prices due to low supply. And this is not even comparable to delayed new product launches (but that was my fault for starting that comparison). I know for a fact that there are hardware products by other brands that have been postponed more than 12 months, but you will never know as you don’t know the roadmap.

Edit: Just take a look at how the car manufacturers killed all their micro hatchbacks, greatly increasing the entry price for a new car. Where I live cars like VW Up and Toyota Aygo used to be highly popular. Now you can’t even buy them. Delivery time: Infinite.
 
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MayaUser said:
You dont know that..Mac Pro can be the 3nm first mac..before or after the iphone this year
Mac Pro can be an WWDC thing or an late 2023
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I don’t KNOW that Mac won’t develop chips in the opposite order from other companies, but nothing so far suggests they will. Quite the contrary. I have no proof for you, other than logic - so you’ll just have to wait and see that I’m right.
 
anshuvorty said:
It's like Apple can't catch a break:
  • Previously, they blamed their efficiency and product output rate on Intel - Intel wasn't releasing chips fast enough > ditch Intel and design their own CPUs and have TSMC, the world leader in manufacturing chips, release their own chips
  • Now, it's China's somewhat utopian COVID policy that has hurt Apple with their efficiency > now they are trying to ditch China and diversify its supply chain and make it more redundant so that its supply chain isn't the bottleneck with its output rate.
Will we ever see an Apple with a "perfect" business in terms of its hardware output rate where it is just rolling out product after product with no hiccups? It will be fascinating to see. Maybe not during Tim's tenure as CEO.
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Puh-lease. We didn’t have that before Tim either, and we never will. The world has hiccups. Your job is to deal with them. Tim has done this remarkably well, and I highly doubt that Jobs would have managed it that efficiently.

Take a look at how elon is doing. In a crisis, I prefer the boring option.
 
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Bcn said:
Why does it cost €420 for upgrading from 16 to 32gb ram? Normally it cost €200 something?
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The problem now is everything is integrated on the same chip now. So I'm guessing the pricing is completely out of whack with how they used to do it when they could order memory independently. Now everything is subject to the build process of the whole SOC and all the yield issues you can get (I believe only a percentage of silicon a chip maker creates works properly or something...).

So they just charge a premium for it now. I suppose if 90% of buyers only buy the base config then its a lot more expensive to produce the 10% SOC than it would be if they could just add ram separately. Add the apple tax and your at 420 etc..

Apparently the speed of the memory is meant to negate the need of additional memory. However, in my use on an 8gb MacBook Pro M1 I think that's a lot of bs. I fell for it sadly. You probably need minimum 16gb ram to really use the computer without any issues unless your literally only running a few things at a time.

I actually find my 24gb iMac i5 2017 acts more responsively than my MacBook Pro M1 8gb just because of the extra ram. I always get "free up system memory" dialog boxes. Its annoying. Wish I'd just got the 16gb model.
 
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fakestrawberryflavor said:
The cheapest M2 mini supports 2 external displays…

www.apple.com

Mac mini - Technical Specifications

See all the technical specifications for Mac mini with the M4 or M4 Pro chip.
www.apple.com
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True but I need a portable device, the m2 chip can support 2 displays, with the m2 Mac mini you can hook up 2 external displays.
With the m2 air you can have an external display and an internal display.
 
Really glad to see these updates. An awesome machine through and through. Glad to see more hardware spec differentiation between the 14 and 16.

I’m glad they’ve gone back to the basics, but I really would like to see the innovations in form factors made available as an option. It isn’t so much of a shame the Touch Bar has gone away more than it is a shame that it hasn’t been rethought or adapted in other ways similar to the Digital Island.

Apple is right that the laptop is good as it is. They’re not quite right that there’s no place on a laptop for unique hardware additions. I’m surprised to see this is what has come of all of the unique patents. Perhaps the iPad will become something more compelling than it is for general computing. Right now, it’s still a niche toy.
 
Velli said:
You obviously don’t work with anything affected by supply chains. 3 months delay of a product is REALLY GOOD under current circumstances. It is likely that other, less anticipated launches are seeing years of delays.

Try ordering a new car.
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100% agree with you. They’ve hidden the adaptation away from us, and they’ve had really smooth sailing with the supply chain overall. Companies smaller than them are being told to get in line.
 
My guess is the M2 Airs which a lot us feel are pointless upgrades were not selling well and they did not want another product out there to possibly canabilize it's sales.
Plus with all the discounts, it's possible there was still plenty of 14 and 16 Macs in stock that they wanted to get rid of before offering newer versions.
 
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james2538 said:
I have a feeling this may be one of the shorter MacBook Pro generations. With 3nm chip production already having ramped up I wonder if we’ll see a new model within 12 months.

Still trying to figure out if I want to return my base 14” M1 Pro and pick up the new one, or just have Apple refund the price difference.

Review embargos annoyingly don’t lift till Monday but I’ve got to make a return decision by Friday.
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Return. Get the new one.
 
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