Apple's Worldwide Mac Shipments Up in Q2 2020 Amid Overall PC Market Growth

[entropys]

I wonder how they can be so precise with these figures? Ah well, as long as they sound authoritative they can get away with it, although truth to tell they are rubbish.

on the subject of work laptops, our workplace lets us choose from a narrow selection of dell latitudes or HP elitebooks. Dells latitudes are so unreliable they make the HPs look good, and we try to go HP.
For docks and displays though, we prefer to get the dell options we are allowed to consider rather than the totally unreliable and badly built rubbish from HP.

 

[Marbles1]

Good news. a large and healthy installed base of intel Macs means millions more who won't be upgrading to ARM just yet; meaning demand for intel Mac software will persist for years.

 

[PickUrPoison]

Wait, this can't be right. We know the Mac is dead, and that we're all going to be using iPads. We know this because people on the internet said so.

iirc, Cook hates the Mac and wants everyone to buy $329 iPads instead of $4k MBP.

 

[DLary]

People are working from home. The kids are fighting over the computer that you need for work. I bet a lot of households are buying a second computer.

 

[Analog Kid]

Anybody want to guess what happens during and after the Apple Silicon transition?

 

[bergert]

I would like to see mac sales/proportion figures excluding the US as most mac sales are significantly more in the US.

Meaningless. PC's are often discarded - at my company after 2 years the PC is handed down to a junior, and after 3 yrs discarded (as no warranty support). Compare to my MacPro 6 years (2008-2014) and 7 years (2014-2021). If I check my download statistics, about 20% are on Mac vs 80% Windows: actual users- number of PC in use: what I would call market share - is not the same as sales.

 

[Analog Kid]

I’m beginning to think those people on the internet ... sometimes make misteaks.

I don't know... They seemed pretty confident in themselves... And talking about "Timmy" like they grew up together.

 

[bobob]

Wait, this can't be right. We know the Mac is dead, and that we're all going to be using iPads. We know this because people on the internet said so.

Came here for the obligatory "Apple is doomed!" comment, but I will accept this charmingly sarcastic rejoinder.

 

[ErikGrim]

Just release that new iMac already. I have $4K earmarked for it.

 

[fairuz]

Nobody cares. Butterfly keyboards was excellent.

The repairs data does't say this.
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They are trash.

They're one of the better manufacturers.
I still root for the Mac, especially cause it's still the underdog marketshare wise.

 

[konqerror]

Meaningless. PC's are often discarded - at my company after 2 years the PC is handed down to a junior, and after 3 yrs discarded (as no warranty support). Compare to my MacPro 6 years (2008-2014) and 7 years (2014-2021). If I check my download statistics, about 20% are on Mac vs 80% Windows: actual users- number of PC in use: what I would call market share - is not the same as sales.

Companies replace all computers, PC or Mac after 3 years. Consumers never go on a 3 year cycle, they keep PCs and Macs for 6+ years. It's not an issue of platform, but rather home versus corporate use.

Since you mention warranties, Dell, HP, Lenovo offer up to 5 year warranties on their corporate line computers, whereas Apple's maximum is 3 years on AppleCare, so on this basis, PCs would have longer lifespans.

 

[Tech198]

What's even more interesting i think, is Apple' out beats some manufacture, even in this crisis of COVID-19.. .

Surly the supplies are suffering just like anyone else is.. What makes Apple stand out in this situation?

 

[Boomish69]

I’ll be interested to see the figures for next quarter , personally I can’t see why anyone would buy an Intel Mac now, cue the obligatory “Apple will support them for years” comment, I couldn’t wait for an Intel MAC when we switched from PowerPC, but this time after many decades on a Mac I am not excited my next machine will be an Arm Mac, I shall be hanging on to whatever I have now for at least two years. I suspect after that Apple may well start to lock the system down, apps only via the App Store, hardware control via T2, meaning you have to buy everything through Apple, I love my iPad & iPhone but I don’t want my Mac like it. If that happens as I suspect that’s Tim’s plan to get more revenue I don’t know what will happen, maybe get an Arm machine for home but my work will switch to a PC for sure.
For sure however the Apple hype machine is going to be marketing Arm things like they are the fastest computer ever, secure etc etc which I like but I just don’t trust them anymore. Not after Tim C said at the Intel New Mac Pro 6 months ago “I’ve never been more excited about the future of the Mac” then said the same line when recently announcing dropping Intel! If your an owner of an expensive Mac Pro you gota feel a bit gutted, this for many friends was to replace their ten year old Mac Pro. Maybe I’m wrong but something isnt right, Apple must have known the Mac Pro lifetime was limited or was working on Apple Silicon back then. But I suppose Tim Cook is interested in iPhone users becoming Mac owners not appeasing the small market of Apple Pro users, so it might be a genius move for shareholders!

 

[Analog Kid]

The repairs data does't say this.

Do you have repair data? The only data I ever saw was that compiled by Apple Insider and it showed the 2016 keyboard was worse than the 2015 (but the overall repair rate for the machine was lower) and by 2018 it looked like the keyboard failure rate was nominally below but statistically equal to the 2015.

I've always wanted to see hard statistics on this to separate the signal from the echo chamber, but never found anything more than those studies.

 

[bobob]

I’ll be interested to see the figures for next quarter , personally I can’t see why anyone would buy an Intel Mac now, cue the obligatory “Apple will support them for years” comment, I couldn’t wait for an Intel MAC when we switched from PowerPC, but this time after many decades on a Mac I am not excited my next machine will be an Arm Mac, I shall be hanging on to whatever I have now for at least two years. I suspect after that Apple may well start to lock the system down, apps only via the App Store, hardware control via T2, meaning you have to buy everything through Apple, I love my iPad & iPhone but I don’t want my Mac like it. If that happens as I suspect that’s Tim’s plan to get more revenue I don’t know what will happen, maybe get an Arm machine for home but my work will switch to a PC for sure.
For sure however the Apple hype machine is going to be marketing Arm things like they are the fastest computer ever, secure etc etc which I like but I just don’t trust them anymore. Not after Tim C said at the Intel New Mac Pro 6 months ago “I’ve never been more excited about the future of the Mac” then said the same line when recently announcing dropping Intel! If your an owner of an expensive Mac Pro you gota feel a bit gutted, this for many friends was to replace their ten year old Mac Pro. Maybe I’m wrong but something isnt right, Apple must have known the Mac Pro lifetime was limited or was working on Apple Silicon back then. But I suppose Tim Cook is interested in iPhone users becoming Mac owners not appeasing the small market of Apple Pro users, so it might be a genius move for shareholders!

I imagine most Mac Pro owners are primarily engaged in paid production work and will not be among the first to jump on the Apple Silicon train due to their need for mature supported applications. On the other hand, because they are using their Mac Pros for paying work, they will not be shy to buy Apple Silicon as soon as it is capable of making them more money than their existing hardware. Also, perhaps the Mac Pro will support a swap of processors from Intel to Apple Silicon or even dual processors to bridge the changeover.

 

[Substance90]

The title is very misleading. Judging by the graphs from the top 5 PC manufacturers Apple is second to last in growth, with the top 10 showing 2-3 times more growth than Apple.

 

[ingambe]

More interested in why Dell is down, what did they do?

Because during the lock-down people/companies where essentially either buy cheap laptop in bulk in order to allow their employees to teleworker OR people who where upgrading there computer to be more comfortable (so low-mid range laptop or apple laptop).
Dell's customer target are companies and government agencies and they were buying the cheap laptop in bulk.

 

[Jony Ive and Co.]

Who would of thought [that worked] keyboards would see an increase in sales [/s]

Increased Mac sales are NOT due to keyboards. The previous butterfly keyboards were already perfect. As Apple advertises, they are much more stable and the low travel profile leads to improved typing comfort, according to Jony Ive, the world's best designer.
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Nobody cares. Butterfly keyboards was excellent.

Completely agree. I love butterfly's stability and low travel profile which are so much more comfortable. Scissor keys are wobbly, hard to strike, not uniform, and simply URGHHHH.

 

[gnasher729]

The title is very misleading. Judging by the graphs from the top 5 PC manufacturers Apple is second to last in growth, with the top 10 showing 2-3 times more growth than Apple.

Apple's market share went up. So Apple grew faster than the rest of the market - 5.1% YoY growth for Apple, 2.8% YoY growth for the total PC market. Does Apple care how numbers moved between the other manufacturers? They don't.

 

[nvmls]

They're one of the better manufacturers.

Sure. I hope you say that based on more than "a few" of their devices.
The XPS line in particular still shows occasional BSOD, aside from the constant hardware failures and mediocre thermals. In addition to that, their support compared to Apple's, is almost trolling, Razer level.

 

[itguy06]

Surprised to see Apple up. Way too expensive and OSX is not that much of an incentive. I say that as a decades long Apple user and shareholder so it's not a troll.

Good to see Dell down. Decades of making garbage is catching up to them. Burn Baby Burn. (Yes I know it's not down by much but their machines have always been garbage.)
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Dell doesn't have much of a retail presence, they're more focused on corporate, followed by direct online sales. People didn't want to wait 2-3 weeks to get things shipped.

That's funny. Best Buy, Walmart, Frys, MicroCenter, Staples, Costco, and a few others all sell Dell junk. You can walk in and buy a Dell from any of those retailers. Dell has made junk and it's starting to show. Good for everyone to avoid them like COVID.
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More interested in why Dell is down, what did they do?

They make garbage computers. Yes, all of them including the Internet Circle Jerk XPS line.

 

[ElectricPotato]

They are trash.

They make garbage computers.

I'm surprised to see this. The Dells I purchased over the decades (mostly Precision) have been reliable, capable and reasonably priced.

 

[coldwaves]

I'm surprised to see this. The Dell's I purchased over the decades (mostly Precision) have been reliable, capable and reasonably priced.

I agree with this. Many of my workmates have Dell XPS at work. From playing with them occasionally, they seem to be pretty good laptops. The ultrasharp series monitors are very high quality too. As an added bonus, the price of these monitors are very good too.

 

[mi7chy]

I'm surprised to see this. The Dells I purchased over the decades (mostly Precision) have been reliable, capable and reasonably priced.

Dell have certainly had some flawed models. At one company, Dell desktops died after a power outage. Company have since switched to HP.

 

[PickUrPoison]

The title is very misleading. Judging by the graphs from the top 5 PC manufacturers Apple is second to last in growth, with the top 10 showing 2-3 times more growth than Apple.

It depends on whose numbers you choose to believe, right?

IDC has Apple with an huge blowout quarter, beating every single PC maker: yes, Apple #1 in growth rate by an incredible amount—anywhere from 2

This is exactly why many ignore fabricated shipment figures from market research firms.