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If you had ever read my posting history you'll see I've been very critical about Apple in many things.

I'm also a reslist. The phrase 'Planned Obsolescence' is frequently overused by folk who don't know what it does - and does not - mean.

I have no doubt
If you had ever read my posting history you'll see I've been very critical about Apple in many things.

I'm also a reslist. The phrase 'Planned Obsolescence' is frequently overused by folk who don't know what it does - and does not - mean.

Good then you also know how straight up criticism of apple products are taken in forums like this.. not much to be said before you are a troll or someone look for any excuse to have your posts deleted and stuff like that.

I do know the meaning of planned obsolescence very well and it does also count software that makes your hardware somewhat unusable over time. And i am not talking about natural progress of software here.
I would say that not doing something to prevent 3 year old hardware going more or less obsolete is as bad as doing something to make 3 year old hardware more or less obsolete.

Oh and regarding the phoebus I also saw those documentarys some years back not to mention the BBC series about same subject... i did not touch any reading about the subject other than what you find in the more serious internet articles
 
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I will try again again with the pairing and spend some time testing speed of similar none stock apps.
Was expecting atleast 3 years I got my watch somewhat midcycle so only 2 1/2 years.
Do not think “first movers”
should be punished for helping apple along so the first year of new product should not count .. you did fork out 400$ atleast for something that was useless in many cases the first long time.

Other companys sell developer models at cheaper price ..oculus sold theirs dk1 and 2 cheaper than initial product. And did call it a developer model compared to apple who sold the watch with all of the usual amazing fantastic and incredible words.

I bought my Apple Watch in July 2015, and it was never useless. It was fantastic out of the box, but it was sluggish for some things. Not in any way that made me want to return it, but I was happy when, only a few months later, Apple took the performance training wheels off and let things run at full speed. The performance was excellent through 2016 and 2017. Only when I installed OS4 did things slow down again. I could have decided not to install OS 4, but I figured I would upgrade soon anyway. Perhaps Apple was being too conservative by throttling the performance with watchOS 1, but I guess they were concerned about battery life in real world use.While I'm sure they tested extensively, there are some things you just won't know until thousands of non-Apple employees are using your product. Developers would make poor test subjects because they do not use the Apple Watch the way a normal consumer would.

Apple is one of the richest companies in the world partly because they do obvious planned obsolescence in my mind.

If you could have your iphone 6 run just as fast as the day you got it (the battery drain and what comes with it taken into account)
Whould you want that? I know i would and so would most people.
Then why does apple not do it? The ios get hammered with new visual effects and other things apple knows will slow down the system (even you turn much of it off)
Why build on an ios version until the phone that ends up with it getting to slow to use?
New phones get new ios version anyway so why leave old ios version cribbeling the hardware that ends up with it.

My wife still has an iPhone 6 that runs just fine. Mine was suffering badly because it had a used up battery and was being throttled. Her battery is still in great shape after several years because she never uses her iPhone as much as I use mine. She uses her iPad much more. Apple should have given us the option that now exists, to choose performance vs stability with old batteries, instead of throttling performance. They should have at least released a statement saying "We're throttling some iPhones, and here's why. We will soon release an update that allows customers to decide."

As far as new visual effects in new operating systems and old hardware: Apple does provide ways to boost performance by disabling visual effects and features. Whether or not these settings make much difference depends on the age of the iPhone.

They made sure you buy a new phone by making battery change a bigger problem than it was.
I accept the improved water resistance in exchange for most people going to phone repair guy for new battery but many just buy new phone and accept it is time for that.

New battery does not help much on the phones speed.
But then they made it not possible to roll back your ios also... why?
Why are they not implementing options to turn off what makes your 2 year old phone get slow in the new ios?

I agree with you there. Two things I always wished Apple did better: Make batteries easier to change, and include a card slot for storage expansion. Apple hardware in general, including macbooks and iMacs, are notoriously hard to work on for replacements, upgrades, and expansion. Yet people still buy them because there are many positives to outweigh the negatives. I have never owned a Mac computer (I build my own PC's) but I still think iPhones are worth it.

Microsoft had no problems making a new system that was easier on the hardware to make old pc run faster.
I would rather pay for a new ios than getting one for free that more or less ruins the experience on my phone.

How many Windows computers have you upgraded, because I can think of some major headaches that came out of upgrading Windows operating systems. Some versions more so than others, but I've installed and upgraded Windows on thousands of computers over the last 25 years in the IT business. Most of that was done using deployment tools in mass, but there were also many manual installations and upgrades. If the hardware was less than 5 years old it generally wasn't a problem, and the same is true for Mac hardware. Older than that and you will probably encounter some performance issues, and much older and you run into compatibility issues with some hardware. Wndows has gotten better at running on older hardware, including automatically modifying display and performance settings to work better with older hardware. It used to be a lot harder.

Mostly I would say that the apps/software make more of a difference than the OS. I believe this is true with iOS as well, at least it was until iOS 10 or 11 and throttlegate. Prior to that, with all my iPhones going back to the 3G, I found that iOS updates didn't slow things down much. It was third party app upgrades that slowed things down. Much like new versions of Microsoft Office and Adobe suites would slow down older computers more than the new OS.

It is all computers so what is the difference from a phone computer and a personal computer.
Apple could easy if they wanted but it is all about the money and being the richest tech company in the world still does not seem to be enough.

Huge differences, actually. With computers the design compromises always become more significant as the form factor gets smaller. Is Apple any worse than Samsung, Sony, or Dell?

It stinks so much of planned obsolescence and maybe not because apple ads new features and effects but because they choose not to make options for older hardware which they easily could.
As i can read making a new os cost anywhere between free and billions ... right now apple has almost 300 of those billions and i think it is time to give back some of the money they very smartly hustled from the poor consumers and showered the rich investors with.
Entire generation on planet growing up with the norm that products does not last longer than the warranty at the cost of not only consumer but also enviroment.

Most people upgrade their smartphones every 2 to 3 years for the same reason most computers are upgraded every 5 years: Technology is a competitive industry that is driven by innovation and most businesses budget for replacing about 1/4 to 1/6th of their desktop/mobile hardware every year. I work with a wide variety of technology users and business cases, so I do see cases where businesses get much more out of hardware.
  • Most companies i have worked with replace laptops every 3 to 4 years, and desktops every 4 to 5 years. A few, especially those that do not depend on the latest tech or even tech much at all, get far longer out of their technology. The problem is they don't budget for regular replacements and instead pay for repairs as needed for out of warranty hardware. They rarely have any money for more than a few new purchases every year. They use one-time money since they don't budget annually for it.
  • Consumers are more likely to use a device until it stops working, or until they are dazzled by the new. People don't upgrade home computers nearly as frequently as they used to. Computers reached a point of being "good enough" for most home use in the early 2000's, and I still see people with Windows and macOS computers that are from 2005-2010. Mac users prided themselves on hardware longevity even before that. While Macs had a reputation for being more expensive, they also had a reputation for having a longer useful life than Windows PC's at the time.
  • Most computer and electronics hardware gets surplussed/recycled in perfect working order. Maybe they won't run the latest software, but everything still works. Batteries are the primary exception. While hard drives and memory fail more frequently than other parts, I have examples of late 90's machines that still boot to an OS. If you want to score some cheap computers, go to a state surplus facility and buy a pallet of used desktops. They might be missing some hardware (hard drives are often destroyed and memory pulled for replacement parts) but you can probably cobble together a few working machines of 6-year-old hardware for hardly any cost.
  • Yes..we are paying an environmental price for this stuff, but it's not just computers. Look at how frequently all consumer electronics get replaced or upgraded these days. Many appliances simply stop working within a few years of their one-year warranty. At least Apple makes it a point to have a recycling program, but in the grand scheme of things I'm not sure what difference it will make.
    • I have a thing for lugged steel bicycles... partly because that's what I grew up riding (and occasionally racing) in the 1980s. My commuter bike is 15 years old. I still have my racing bike which is now 30 years old, and my other bike is 10 years old. People sometimes ask me why I don't have bikes made with newer materials like carbon fiber since I'm so into biking. Part of it is that I grew up admiring the craft of handmade steel frames, but I think there is also something about the longevity that appeals to me. I have gone through so many electronic gadgets and computers in the last 28 years. The disposable nature of this stuff makes me feel a bit ashamed, so I like my old bicycles. Someday I hope my kids will too. Steel bicycles can last for generations, but riding old carbon fiber bicycles is risky business.

Anywho... I get what you're saying, but I don't think Apple is any worse than other companies. In some ways they are better. I've never owned a Mac, so I'm definitely not an Apple person... but I do think iPhones, iPads, iOS, Apple Watches, and watchOS are the best mobile devices for me at the moment.
 
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If you had ever read my posting history you'll see I've been very critical about Apple in many things.

I'm also a reslist. The phrase 'Planned Obsolescence' is frequently overused by folk who don't know what it does - and does not - mean.

I have no doubt


Good then you also know how straight up criticism of apple products are taken in forums like this.. not much to be said before you are a troll or someone look for any excuse to have your posts deleted and stuff like that.

I do know the meaning of planned obsolescence very well and it does also count software that makes your hardware somewhat unusable over time. And i am not talking about natural progress of software here.
I would say that not doing something to prevent 3 year old hardware going more or less obsolete is as bad as doing something to make 3 year old hardware more or less obsolete.

Oh and regarding the phoebus I also saw those documentarys some years back not to mention the BBC series about same subject... i did not touch any reading about the subject other than what you find in the more serious internet articles

@Silver78, your statement right here is what @TiggrToo is talking about overusing the term "Planned Obsolescence". The original Series Zero Apple Watch was supported for 3+ Years. It has received software updates up until the release of WatchOS 5 in September. The only feature I know of that was changed for the worse (perceived by many as worse, but there could be reasons that benefitted this change) after initial release was how the watch would only do regular heart rate readings when not in motion. WatchOS updates brought more features and more stability throughout its lifespan. Apple only sold 2 year AppleCare+ warranties (their standard) and these watches have continued to function after three newer models came out during this time. Planned Obsolescence would have seen the watch stopped being supported much under these "normal" timeframes.

In your example about Microsoft, they have a benefit to release newer Windows software that improve older hardware too (which also inhibits pushing newer innovations). Microsoft is historically a software company and their foray into hardware is pretty new in comparison to their software. Also, there software is meant for any PCs, not just their own. That business format requires them to figure out ways to pump out software sells to older hardware still. Apple has always tied their hardware and software together (The Mac Clone era of the 1995-1997 being the only exception). As the industry moves forward, Apple has done things earlier than their PC counterparts that have looked weird, but ultimately helped push out old stagnated technology (Removal of 3.5" Disk Drive, switching to USB early, using Firewire and then discontinuing Firewire, implementing Thunderbolt, etc.).
 
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I bought my Apple Watch in July 2015, and it was never useless. It was fantastic out of the box, but it was sluggish for some things. Not in any way that made me want to return it, but I was happy when, only a few months later, Apple took the performance training wheels off and let things run at full speed. The performance was excellent through 2016 and 2017. Only when I installed OS4 did things slow down again. I could have decided not to install OS 4, but I figured I would upgrade soon anyway. Perhaps Apple was being too conservative by throttling the performance with watchOS 1, but I guess they were concerned about battery life in real world use.While I'm sure they tested extensively, there are some things you just won't know until thousands of non-Apple employees are using your product. Developers would make poor test subjects because they do not use the Apple Watch the way a normal consumer would.



My wife still has an iPhone 6 that runs just fine. Mine was suffering badly because it had a used up battery and was being throttled. Her battery is still in great shape after several years because she never uses her iPhone as much as I use mine. She uses her iPad much more. Apple should have given us the option that now exists, to choose performance vs stability with old batteries, instead of throttling performance. They should have at least released a statement saying "We're throttling some iPhones, and here's why. We will soon release an update that allows customers to decide."

As far as new visual effects in new operating systems and old hardware: Apple does provide ways to boost performance by disabling visual effects and features. Whether or not these settings make much difference depends on the age of the iPhone.



I agree with you there. Two things I always wished Apple did better: Make batteries easier to change, and include a card slot for storage expansion. Apple hardware in general, including macbooks and iMacs, are notoriously hard to work on for replacements, upgrades, and expansion. Yet people still buy them because there are many positives to outweigh the negatives. I have never owned a Mac computer (I build my own PC's) but I still think iPhones are worth it.



How many Windows computers have you upgraded, because I can think of some major headaches that came out of upgrading Windows operating systems. Some versions more so than others, but I've installed and upgraded Windows on thousands of computers over the last 25 years in the IT business. Most of that was done using deployment tools in mass, but there were also many manual installations and upgrades. If the hardware was less than 5 years old it generally wasn't a problem, and the same is true for Mac hardware. Older than that and you will probably encounter some performance issues, and much older and you run into compatibility issues with some hardware. Wndows has gotten better at running on older hardware, including automatically modifying display and performance settings to work better with older hardware. It used to be a lot harder.

Mostly I would say that the apps/software make more of a difference than the OS. I believe this is true with iOS as well, at least it was until iOS 10 or 11 and throttlegate. Prior to that, with all my iPhones going back to the 3G, I found that iOS updates didn't slow things down much. It was third party app upgrades that slowed things down. Much like new versions of Microsoft Office and Adobe suites would slow down older computers more than the new OS.



Huge differences, actually. With computers the design compromises always become more significant as the form factor gets smaller. Is Apple any worse than Samsung, Sony, or Dell?



Most people upgrade their smartphones every 2 to 3 years for the same reason most computers are upgraded every 5 years: Technology is a competitive industry that is driven by innovation and most businesses budget for replacing about 1/4 to 1/6th of their desktop/mobile hardware every year. I work with a wide variety of technology users and business cases, so I do see cases where businesses get much more out of hardware.
  • Most companies i have worked with replace laptops every 3 to 4 years, and desktops every 4 to 5 years. A few, especially those that do not depend on the latest tech or even tech much at all, get far longer out of their technology. The problem is they don't budget for regular replacements and instead pay for repairs as needed for out of warranty hardware. They rarely have any money for more than a few new purchases every year. They use one-time money since they don't budget annually for it.
  • Consumers are more likely to use a device until it stops working, or until they are dazzled by the new. People don't upgrade home computers nearly as frequently as they used to. Computers reached a point of being "good enough" for most home use in the early 2000's, and I still see people with Windows and macOS computers that are from 2005-2010. Mac users prided themselves on hardware longevity even before that. While Macs had a reputation for being more expensive, they also had a reputation for having a longer useful life than Windows PC's at the time.
  • Most computer and electronics hardware gets surplussed/recycled in perfect working order. Maybe they won't run the latest software, but everything still works. Batteries are the primary exception. While hard drives and memory fail more frequently than other parts, I have examples of late 90's machines that still boot to an OS. If you want to score some cheap computers, go to a state surplus facility and buy a pallet of used desktops. They might be missing some hardware (hard drives are often destroyed and memory pulled for replacement parts) but you can probably cobble together a few working machines of 6-year-old hardware for hardly any cost.
  • Yes..we are paying an environmental price for this stuff, but it's not just computers. Look at how frequently all consumer electronics get replaced or upgraded these days. Many appliances simply stop working within a few years of their one-year warranty. At least Apple makes it a point to have a recycling program, but in the grand scheme of things I'm not sure what difference it will make.
    • I have a thing for lugged steel bicycles... partly because that's what I grew up riding (and occasionally racing) in the 1980s. My commuter bike is 15 years old. I still have my racing bike which is now 30 years old, and my other bike is 10 years old. People sometimes ask me why I don't have bikes made with newer materials like carbon fiber since I'm so into biking. Part of it is that I grew up admiring the craft of handmade steel frames, but I think there is also something about the longevity that appeals to me. I have gone through so many electronic gadgets and computers in the last 28 years. The disposable nature of this stuff makes me feel a bit ashamed, so I like my old bicycles. Someday I hope my kids will too. Steel bicycles can last for generations, but riding old carbon fiber bicycles is risky business.

Anywho... I get what you're saying, but I don't think Apple is any worse than other companies. In some ways they are better. I've never owned a Mac, so I'm definitely not an Apple person... but I do think iPhones, iPads, iOS, Apple Watches, and watchOS are the best mobile devices for me at the moment.

I really had ups and downs with my watch.. i did reparing again and deleted all complications and watchfaces using only simpel watchface.. i will go to bed tonight with 40% battery for a change.

I could use that function on my old mini 2 pad also.. sometime when i press something 3 seconds will pass before it registers.

Regarding enviromental impact Also mention all the accessories for old phones and hardware that piles up:)

I do not think apple is the worst aswell but this is apple forum and I was angry with my watch :) (as mentioned I am from a different time where a 500$ watch would last you maybe atleast 10 years if not more)
I also like the metal frame bikes and have bike from 80s still. Keep the frame dry it will last “forever” :)
 
@Silver78, your statement right here is what @TiggrToo is talking about overusing the term "Planned Obsolescence". The original Series Zero Apple Watch was supported for 3+ Years. It has received software updates up until the release of WatchOS 5 in September. The only feature I know of that was changed for the worse (perceived by many as worse, but there could be reasons that benefitted this change) after initial release was how the watch would only do regular heart rate readings when not in motion. WatchOS updates brought more features and more stability throughout its lifespan. Apple only sold 2 year AppleCare+ warranties (their standard) and these watches have continued to function after three newer models came out during this time. Planned Obsolescence would have seen the watch stopped being supported much under these "normal" timeframes.

In your example about Microsoft, they have a benefit to release newer Windows software that improve older hardware too (which also inhibits pushing newer innovations). Microsoft is historically a software company and their foray into hardware is pretty new in comparison to their software. Also, there software is meant for any PCs, not just their own. That business format requires them to figure out ways to pump out software sells to older hardware still. Apple has always tied their hardware and software together (The Mac Clone era of the 1995-1997 being the only exception). As the industry moves forward, Apple has done things earlier than their PC counterparts that have looked weird, but ultimately helped push out old stagnated technology (Removal of 3.5" Disk Drive, switching to USB early, using Firewire and then discontinuing Firewire, implementing Thunderbolt, etc.).
It is important to notice my exact words about planned obsolescence and software.
I am aware of progress of OS software and 3party apps also.
I still think 3 years for a 500$ watch is not okay (or it is if there is a good ending to it)

If apple make a good ending to watch os 4 i am also okay with that. You also have to remember some countrys recive the watch much later and series 0 first movers should not be punished for being that.
I think honestly think a phone or watch should be as good as the day you purchased it when the warranty runs out if you change its battery.
I would rather be without new gimmicks on my phone and it run well than a lot of new features that make the phone or watch run slow.
My 1000$ laptop from 2003 actually still run okay but my more expensive mac from 2006 is completely unusable.
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OP, you should have returned the watch during the 14 day grace period.

Like many other first movers you hope for improvements so no. I should maybe have used my apple care to return my device as broken. But it is too late now.

Will i buy a new apple watch in the future... maybe (as many mention alot happened since series 0)
I do still look far after the custom watchfaces i was hoping for when i first got the watch (toystory and kaleidoscope does not impress me) that is why i will give the xiaomi watch a try. I also realize i rarely reply to messages on my watch but only read them so maybe xiaomi is not so bad for me after all.
I will give the cheap stratos a try and then see in future how apple will leave other watch OS on watches that goes “obsolete”
 
It is important to notice my exact words about planned obsolescence and software.
I am aware of progress of OS software and 3party apps also.
I still think 3 years for a 500$ watch is not okay (or it is if there is a good ending to it)

If apple make a good ending to watch os 4 i am also okay with that. You also have to remember some countrys recive the watch much later and series 0 first movers should not be punished for being that.
I think honestly think a phone or watch should be as good as the day you purchased it when the warranty runs out if you change its battery.
I would rather be without new gimmicks on my phone and it run well than a lot of new features that make the phone or watch run slow.
My 1000$ laptop from 2003 actually still run okay but my more expensive mac from 2006 is completely unusable.

When released the sport watch was priced at $349/$389 and up. The Stainless steel 'watch' edition was $599 and up.

You said you paid $500 for it, am unsure if you underpaid for the stainless steel 'watch' edition, overpaid for the sport or are just mistaking how much you paid for it.

If you brought the $599 and up 'Watch' edition then you paid extra for, well, extra resiliency of the case and watch face.

No matter what, all the Apple watches released then, be they sport or otherwise had exactly the same electronics inside.

So, let's be honest about what you brought - you brought a first generation wearable from one of the most prestigious electronics companies at the time. It still runs and received (up until a month or so ago at worst) OS Updates after all that time. To say that you didn't get your use out of it is totally disingenuous at best.

And you have still failed to show that you have not totally misunderstood the phrase "Planned Obsolescence". Your brought a horribly miniaturized computer you wore on your wrist. If you thought that this was going to remain fully supported with updates and smooth running apps after 3 years then, well, I've got a bridge to talk to you about...
 
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When released the sport watch was priced at $349/$389 and up. The Stainless steel 'watch' edition was $599 and up.

You said you paid $500 for it, am unsure if you underpaid for the stainless steel 'watch' edition, overpaid for the sport or are just mistaking how much you paid for it.

If you brought the $599 and up 'Watch' edition then you paid extra for, well, extra resiliency of the case and watch face.

No matter what, all the Apple watches released then, be they sport or otherwise had exactly the same electronics inside.

So, let's be honest about what you brought - you brought a first generation wearable from one of the most prestigious electronics companies at the time. It still runs and received (up until a month or so ago at worst) OS Updates after all that time. To say that you didn't get your use out of it is totally disingenuous at best.

And you have still failed to show that you have not totally misunderstood the phrase "Planned Obsolescence". Your brought a horribly miniaturized computer you wore on your wrist. If you thought that this was going to remain fully supported with updates and smooth running apps after 3 years then, well, I've got a bridge to talk to you about...

I calculate in different currency than $ and can’t remember exactly how much i paid with without apple care.
And went a little crazy in cupertino with shopping so cant can’t remember the exact price. 500$ sounds like the price i might have paid and lay well in between. The two watches.
Did you read my posts at all?
I am not talking about natural progress of software or battery degradation here.
Not preventing obsolescence is as planned as planned obsolescence... you get what i am saying?
Question back then was also how apple would handle the watch in future since it was jewelry and watch and people have very different expectations towards that.. they choose the moneymaking way.
Especially when you also make a 10000$ watch you kinda expect it to be more a watch watch and jewelry than a 3 year lifespan gadget. You send a signal that this is a watch. Otherwise why not just make gold iphones also!
And series 0 as i said many many times now was not great for many people first period of time. Many countrys got the watch later also. So not 3 years of life.
 
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Not preventing obsolescence is as planned as planned obsolescence... you get what i am saying?

No I do not. If you look at it that way EVERYTHING in life that has a shelf life is "planned obsolesense".

Planned obsolesense is where an item is deliberatly designed to have a very specific, carefully planned lifetime.

Apple's first watch was built with some of the best technology available at it's time. However technology moves fast and what's best today is not tomorrow. It's highly probable that Watch OS 5.0 either requires too much power, or requires certain functionality not supported by the S1 processor but is on the newer S2.

You've made multiple claims here but failed totally to substantiate any of them.

You're continuing to dig yourself into an ever deeper hole here. Any further conversation with you on this feels fruitless so I'm just going to exit now.
 
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My S0 is currently with my father in law, and he seems to be getting on with it just fine... it's been in use since I got it in June 2015 - after that my wife had it for a year when I got an S2, both of us wore it daily and when we got the S3 it went to her dad, who's a bit of a luddite in regard to technology. I never thought it was super fast, but it it always worked quite well for me and I havent' been without one since getting it in 2015.

My dad had an SS S0, and it's with my sister - she's getting by with it pretty well also... battery isn't as good as it was initially, but it's still usable and has received OS updates for 3 years post release, which I think is pretty decent - I wonder if the same can be said for other smartwatch OSes? I don't know, though I suspect not - but I can't say for sure either way.
 
I have had an S0 since day 1. I don’t have a problem with the Apple provided functionality. However it was sold to me on the basis that developers would create all sorts of wonderful apps for it and this just has not happened. Even Apple has not produced any significant new apps and many developers have now withdrawn their watch applets. So my watch is as dumb as it was 3 years ago and that is not what I expected when I invested £559. I never expected my Tissot T Touch to get smarter but I did expect my smart watch to learn a thing or two.
 
No I do not. If you look at it that way EVERYTHING in life that has a shelf life is "planned obsolesense".

Planned obsolesense is where an item is deliberatly designed to have a very specific, carefully planned lifetime.

Apple's first watch was built with some of the best technology available at it's time. However technology moves fast and what's best today is not tomorrow. It's highly probable that Watch OS 5.0 either requires too much power, or requires certain functionality not supported by the S1 processor but is on the newer S2.

You've made multiple claims here but failed totally to substantiate any of them.

You're continuing to dig yourself into an ever deeper hole here. Any further conversation with you on this feels fruitless so I'm just going to exit now.

I do not agree
As people mentioned even watch os4 makes the watch sluggish.
Software can also be deliberately designed to make hardware obsolete. The choice of apple not making OS downgradable is certainly also in that catagory.
Watch os5 is again again not what i am talking about.
Maybe series 0 should have been ended even at watch os3 but a good fast ending. The same goes for phones also.
 
I do not agree
As people mentioned even watch os4 makes the watch sluggish.
Software can also be deliberately designed to make hardware obsolete. The choice of apple not making OS downgradable is certainly also in that catagory.
Watch os5 is again again not what i am talking about.
Maybe series 0 should have been ended even at watch os3 but a good fast ending. The same goes for phones also.

You have still yet to tell us exactly what "features" you have been waiting for in the S0 that Apple promised and never delivered. Apple announced the S0 in September 2014, previewed its release in March 2015 and released it in April 2015.

https://www.macrumors.com/2014/09/09/iphone-6-iwatch-event-live/
https://www.macrumors.com/2015/03/09/march-2015-event-live/

If you look at the features discussed at the two events, I think only one was removed, the favorites wheel. So what was promised that wasn't delivered. Now, if instead you are saying that you thought Apple would add some more features after the fact to the existing product, thats a hope that Apple RARELY does. They make new hardware every year and their software development is geared towards their new hardware. Apple did continue to support the S0 and it supported Watch OS 1 - 4. Apple does also offer out of warranty battery replacements if your battery isn't up to par after 3 years. It costs $79.

Also, to your point that WatchOS 4 makes the watch sluggish. Again, I have owned the S0, S2, and S3 all in SS. I recently traveled for a month with my S0 and left my S3 at home. I had no issues with my S0 on WatchOS 4 in regards to speed and battery life. Yes, it was slower than my S0, but it was no slower than it was when it was the only watch in town. It ran fine and tracked my fitness throughout my trip and gave me all my notifications.
 
You have still yet to tell us exactly what "features" you have been waiting for in the S0 that Apple promised and never delivered. Apple announced the S0 in September 2014, previewed its release in March 2015 and released it in April 2015.

https://www.macrumors.com/2014/09/09/iphone-6-iwatch-event-live/
https://www.macrumors.com/2015/03/09/march-2015-event-live/

If you look at the features discussed at the two events, I think only one was removed, the favorites wheel. So what was promised that wasn't delivered. Now, if instead you are saying that you thought Apple would add some more features after the fact to the existing product, thats a hope that Apple RARELY does. They make new hardware every year and their software development is geared towards their new hardware. Apple did continue to support the S0 and it supported Watch OS 1 - 4. Apple does also offer out of warranty battery replacements if your battery isn't up to par after 3 years. It costs $79.

Also, to your point that WatchOS 4 makes the watch sluggish. Again, I have owned the S0, S2, and S3 all in SS. I recently traveled for a month with my S0 and left my S3 at home. I had no issues with my S0 on WatchOS 4 in regards to speed and battery life. Yes, it was slower than my S0, but it was no slower than it was when it was the only watch in town. It ran fine and tracked my fitness throughout my trip and gave me all my notifications.

No new features (for series 0) just do the ones it does better. That simple.
No more no less.
Okay i could do with more custom watchfaces and i also think apple users have been hoping for that for long. But it will propably also end up as a store to buy them.. could have been cool if you could make your own.
I am just not satisfied with my watch and the progress watch OS also why i try something else next time.. future will tell if i go for a new apple watch. I guess i wanted more watch and less smart when it comes to life span.
Why i wear the watch now i do not know exactly it is no smarter than my old non smart watch i had to disable all smart to get battery for entire day
 
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Software can also be deliberately designed to make hardware obsolete.

This is definitely an assertion I don’t believe this applies to the Apple Watch {Or Apple} at all. Not saying it’s not true for other manufactures, but I don’t believe it’s Apples end goal to Compromise the Experience for the consumer Apple supports an iPhone in iOS for Almost five years, or an Apple Watch for three years of watch support, etc. I think it’s Apples goal to make the best product and provide the best support they can, which is a testament to why they have such dedicated customers who value iOS and even watchOS, ect.
 
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This is definitely an assertion I don’t believe this applies to the Apple Watch {Or Apple} at all. Not saying it’s not true for other manufactures, but I don’t believe it’s Apples end goal to Compromise the Experience for the consumer Apple supports an iPhone in iOS for Almost five years, or an Apple Watch for three years of watch support, etc. I think it’s Apples goal to make the best product and provide the best support they can, which is a testament to why they have such dedicated customers who value iOS and even watchOS, ect.

Really? Then why does my 6s+ have less iOS functionality than when I bought it? For example the landscape keyboard was much better originally than it is now. Cut & paste keys for example. Great stuff just disappears and gets replaced by pap.
 
Only ever buy a product for what it does at the time of purchase. Never buy something today for the potential of what it could do tomorrow, perceived or otherwise. It sounds to me like you knew from day 1 that the Apple Watch didn't satisfy your needs, and you were hopeful that someday it would. That was your mistake, and you should have returned the watch as soon as you realized your expectations were not being met. While lots of series 0 owners shared in your hopes for the future, most of us who kept it were well aware that the only way to truly address its limitations was with new hardware. Many, MANY reviews of the first generation watch said to wait at least one year, if not more, until the hardware caught up with the demands of the software. In fact, there wasn't really a consensus that the watch was ready for the broader consumer market until the release of the series 3 last fall. Everyone knew, or should have known, going in that buying a series 0 was only for true tech enthusiasts who were willing to accept these shortcomings in order to get a glimpse of what the future would bring. If you thought otherwise that's your own fault.
 
No I do not. If you look at it that way EVERYTHING in life that has a shelf life is "planned obsolesense".

Planned obsolesense is where an item is deliberatly designed to have a very specific, carefully planned lifetime.

Apple's first watch was built with some of the best technology available at it's time. However technology moves fast and what's best today is not tomorrow. It's highly probable that Watch OS 5.0 either requires too much power, or requires certain functionality not supported by the S1 processor but is on the newer S2.

You've made multiple claims here but failed totally to substantiate any of them.

You're continuing to dig yourself into an ever deeper hole here. Any further conversation with you on this feels fruitless so I'm just going to exit now.

To end this i am not the only person with this thought a quick internet search (i did not even read the article)
https://www.theverge.com/2018/1/18/...itrust-planned-obsolescence-software-slowdown
 
To end this i am not the only person with this thought a quick internet search (i did not even read the article)
https://www.theverge.com/2018/1/18/...itrust-planned-obsolescence-software-slowdown

You should read the article. Its about the Italian government investigating the planned obsolescence from those two companies regarding their smartphones. It doesn't prove it, it also doesn't mention Apple is being investigated about anything other than iOS specifically. Those concerns were raised because of the batteries being diminished in the iOS updates. Apple still has a ways to correct that problem overall, but they are trying.

You mentioned planned obsolescence in regards to the Apple Watch. Where are those articles?
 
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You should read the article. Its about the Italian government investigating the planned obsolescence from those two companies regarding their smartphones. It doesn't prove it, it also doesn't mention Apple is being investigated about anything other than iOS specifically. Those concerns were raised because of the batteries being diminished in the iOS updates. Apple still has a ways to correct that problem overall, but they are trying.

You mentioned planned obsolescence in regards to the Apple Watch. Where are those articles?
Yes i did read the article later and also well aware of the battery vs speed issue. But what use is the new feature on phones before ios 11 and ipads.. and the watches. An investigation from country governments was need before apple took action. And battery issue does not count for slow electronics alone i am sure.
 
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