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AppStore and iPhone Firmware v2.0 Today?

I do hate to throw another wrench into this, but..

If Apple wanted to really play with us, they could allow the Update of the Firmware/Software 2.0/iTunes by location identification. We already know that is possible. They can limit access by Location.
 
razorianfly said:
iPhone OS 2.0 went GM (Gold Master) roughly about 3 weeks now.

iPhone 3G will ship with 2.0 GM.

R-Fly
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You may be right, but I haven't read that. I was just thinking that it would take a couple of months to load Millions of iPhones with Firmware/Software. And I believe that it isn't just loading, but I think that includes the Assembly of the iPhones and loading them with the OS at that time. If this is not the case, they shouldn't need to be taken home and Synced with iTunes at all.

But I've sure been wrong before.
 
razorianfly said:
Here's something to think about.

What if Apple want to make the launch of the iPhone 3G extra special for new customers? - not catching my drift? - I'll explain.

Apple could easily supply iPhone 3G units on Friday, with the Software 2.0 pre-installed - we know this is going to happen, thats a given.

Existing iPhone owners don't 'need' that software upgrade on Friday. Sure it'd be nice for ya, but it's not 'needed'.

Apple could simply delay the launch of 2.0 for existing iPhone customers until sometime next week, and give their servers less to cope with, at the same time.

2.0 would be out on new iPhone 3G devices, and Apple could open the App Store if it wanted, on Friday.

R-Fly
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So if you went home and did a restore of the iPhone 3G you should get the 2.0 FW right? Well is the FW one size fits all? If so Apple would run into people ripping the FW (like they did for the first phone) and posting it on the internet.

Plus I think that would be awfully crappy of Apple to withhold the update for all the rest of us. If they don't have the bandwidth for it use some of that $19 billion to make it happen.
 
t0mat0 said:
Let's go on what Apple says ;)

As part of the MobileMe launch, www.mac.com will be taken offline at 6pm PT on Wednesday, July 9th.
If Apple wants to accommodate the first iPhone customers in New Zealand with MobileMe from launch, it needs to be up before Thursday July 10th, 5am Pacific July 10th.

Again, you'd expect if Apple wants it ready for the Kiwis, that iTunes 7.7 would be released before this time as it is required for the iPhone 3G. Otherwise, what's the point queuing early to get to a New Zealand store, if you can't use it via iTunes or MobileMe??

As for the App Store, let's just bindy predict the same time eh? Show us your pics and videos Kiwi's! (some 3G iPhone qik.com live streaming would be great!)
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I am quite sure that our Good Friend Steve doesn't loose sleep over little-old New Zealand given there is only 4 million people in the whole country and we are paying some of the highest charges to use the iPhone.

I would not be surprised if I queued up to get one at 00.00am and get it home and try and activate it (as Vodafone NZ says we have to do), it won't work for another 12-24h.

I'm going to just buy one on-line (which I can do here in NZ!) so I don't miss out and wait for it to arrive a couple of days later avoiding sites down/severs crashed etc.
 
I dont care as long as 2.0 doesnt come after Friday...But i would be amazed and so so happy if it comes early
 
Scooterman1 said:
You may be right, but I haven't read that. I was just thinking that it would take a couple of months to load Millions of iPhones with Firmware/Software. And I believe that it isn't just loading, but I think that includes the Assembly of the iPhones and loading them with the OS at that time. If this is not the case, they shouldn't need to be taken home and Synced with iTunes at all.

But I've sure been wrong before.
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I think you are right, I am sure the iPhones that are going to be on store shelves were manufactured more than 3 weeks ago, probably a few months ago. I think starting tomorrow we are going to start having software updates, iTunes and iPhone as well as other apps all starting tomorrow morning :)
 
stagi said:
I think you are right, I am sure the iPhones that are going to be on store shelves were manufactured more than 3 weeks ago, probably a few months ago. I think starting tomorrow we are going to start having software updates, iTunes and iPhone as well as other apps all starting tomorrow morning :)
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Unless iTunes has some big secret surprises, wouldn't it make sense for Apple to roll out 7.7 before the iPhone 3G launch? It gives them an extra 2 days worth of time to spread the downloads more easily? Or did there bandwidth supplier want a stress test? :)
 
stagi said:
I think you are right, I am sure the iPhones that are going to be on store shelves were manufactured more than 3 weeks ago, probably a few months ago. I think starting tomorrow we are going to start having software updates, iTunes and iPhone as well as other apps all starting tomorrow morning :)
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One thing to note. Even though the iPhones may have been manufactured months ago, the firmware is not loaded at the time of manufacturing (at least for a product not out yet). The iPhones have diagnostic software installed at the time of manufacture to make sure the devices work, and then they are shipped out to Apple (UK, US, CAN, NZ, ETC) where they are then installed with the firmware when it is ready, packaged, and shipped out to stores. Only after the launch (or slightly before) are the manufacturer locations given the software to install, and localized packaging to help streamline the process.

Most CE companies utilize this model for hardware during a launch of a product.
 
wackymacky said:
I am quite sure that our Good Friend Steve doesn't loose sleep over little-old New Zealand given there is only 4 million people in the whole country and we are paying some of the highest charges to use the iPhone.

I would not be surprised if I queued up to get one at 00.00am and get it home and try and activate it (as Vodafone NZ says we have to do), it won't work for another 12-24h.

I'm going to just buy one on-line (which I can do here in NZ!) so I don't miss out and wait for it to arrive a couple of days later avoiding sites down/severs crashed etc.
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If this is the case, then why not delay the NZ launch until the 12th? The only reason to launch at that time on that day...in NZ of all places...is because it'll all be ready to go.

Someone mentioned a possible concern over pressure on Apple's servers of launching 2.0 on the same day as the 3G phone. Well that can be avoided by releasing the software update a day earlier than the phone, giving exiting users a chance to get the download done before the 3G users get cranking.

I'm guessing that 2.0 comes out on Thursday.
 
rayward said:
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Someone mentioned a possible concern over pressure on Apple's servers of launching 2.0 on the same day as the 3G phone. Well that can be avoided by releasing the software update a day earlier than the phone, giving exiting users a chance to get the download done before the 3G users get cranking.

I'm guessing that 2.0 comes out on Thursday....
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wow, thats what this entire thread has been about and ur acting as if this is some recent idea u have
 
I would release 2.0 a few days AFTER the launch...


Apple might lose some customers who upgrade to 2.0 and go.."Oh look, I actually dont need 3g and this 2.0 fw is pretty good! And AppStore too!"


;-)
 
New to the iPhone

No I'm a total newbie so I had no idea that those web apps have been around for some time. Sorry for the static.
 
tvh13 said:
No I'm a total newbie so I had no idea that those web apps have been around for some time. Sorry for the static.
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no its alright. i saw ur post and i was like whattt, how did i miss then i looked right at the link and saw webapps. the webapps are useful but for games and things like that you have to be connected to the internet to use them so it can be slow in edge. with the app store you will store whole games on your phone so it will be faster gameplay
 
"It's worth noting that on the MobileMe support page, Apple says that firmware 2.0 (which also adds App Store access and Exchange support to the iPhone) will be available once MobileMe launches; however, Apple hasn't confirmed whether the firmware update will actually go live Wednesday."

Here's to hoping that for some reason they release it around noon Cupertino time (3PM EST) today so that it's ready to work with MobileMe launching tomorrow. If they are saying that it will be available once MobileMe launches - that could mean that it comes today so that it's not flooding servers tomorrow as much for MobileMe's launch...Thursday and Friday will be 3G days depending on country.

Also - I don't think we'll have to worry about getting left behind while 3g phones get 2.0 since they're going to need iTunes for their 3g phones. So it's pretty much guaranteed by Friday - but I still havent lost hope for today...:)
 
waterskier2007 said:
where
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That quote is from:
http://tech.yahoo.com/blogs/patterson/24727

Here is the link to the support page:
http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1932

Here's a Q & A from that page:
What will I need for my iPhone or iPod touch to use MobileMe?
You will need to update to software version 2.0 or later to enable push mail, push contacts, push calendar, and push bookmarks. This software update will be available when MobileMe launches.
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It says direct from Apple that the software update will be available when MobileMe launches...and it says that MobileMe IS launching tomorrow. It's not clear if they are saying that the software update will be available at the same time as MobileMe...or if they are saying "by the time MobileMe launches, the software will be available" meaning that it could come at any time between now and when MobileMe launches.

To me though, it sounds like we'll have 2.0 by the time MobileMe launches tomorrow at the very latest.
 
waterskier2007 said:
wow, thats what this entire thread has been about and ur acting as if this is some recent idea u have
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Nice job of snipping out the commentary part, retaining only the "my two cents" part, then giving me crap for only offering my two cents.

Oh, and the shift buttons are on the bottom corners of your keyboard, and the apostrophe is next to Enter. Unless you think punctuation and grammar are recent ideas of mine too.
 
hellodon said:
To me though, it sounds like we'll have 2.0 by the time MobileMe launches tomorrow at the very latest.
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So why should this somewhat vague statement relating the release of 2.0 to the MobileMe launch supersede the specific statement from Apple's press release that 2.0 would be released on July 11?
 
admanimal said:
So why should this somewhat vague statement relating the release of 2.0 to the MobileMe launch supersede the specific statement from Apple's press release that 2.0 would be released on July 11?
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See that is the argument, New Zealand is a day ahead (as is Japan). The 2.0 FW should (in theory) be available on our (the US) 10th. Now it is possible that Apple will not put it out on the US iTunes. The question then becomes if they release 7.7 early or not. If they do then pretty much everyone will get 2.0 on the 10th as all it takes is one person to do a restore and grab the image and post it on the internet.
 
I think it could be out on the 10th too, but it definitely won't be today, nor tomorrow (unless you count very early Thursday AM as tomorrow).
 
Is Apple really going to shaft New Zealand users new to iPhone with no App Store and hold off the extra day for the US launch? At the very least we should have the App Store by 8 AM EST, on Thursday, that's when iPhone 3G's go on sale in New Zealand. Am I right? You have to account for all the iPod Touch owners. Does Apple really want a potential upwards of 6 million iPhone owners, plus Touch owners, plus new 3G users trying to hit the App Store at once? Wow.
 
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