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What I wanted to know was why does Mac OS X Tiger only require 256mb of RAM has the ability to run Aqua as the default (and only) UI

256MB RAM? *rotfl* So you're just using Mac OS X and no applications?

EDIT: My Avatar shows exactly what I see all the time when I'm using Mac OS X on a 256MB RAM machine...
 
My Avatar shows exactly what I see all the time when I'm using Mac OS X on a 256MB RAM machine...

So what? Yes it will be slower with 256MB RAM but it still runs and BTW that spinning beach ball is just like the hour glass in Windows, it's not like your Applications aren't working. They're just taking more time then you would like them to.
 
I think your conclusions aren't exactly fair. Macs have a very limited hardware base, the different hardware configurations of mac are fair less than that of the PC.

Microsoft need to program with maximum compatibility, macs on the other hand can be coded for far more specifally.


A minimum sys req of 1GB RAM plus a recommended 256 Video RAM hardly seems like programming for max compatibility to me...
 
A minimum sys req of 1GB RAM plus a recommended 256 Video RAM hardly seems like programming for max compatibility to me...

Can you not understand that programming for a larger hardware base is going to be more complicated than programing for a specific hardware base? If a program is more complicated, that's going to increase file size.

I'm not defending the system requirements, but to attempt to compare two different technologies is nothing but a complete waste of time, that was my point.

PCs are far more complex in their platform than mac, I'm not just talking hardware configurations, but software as well. Throw into the mix drivers.

Not to mention have you also considered the LIFE SPAN of this product.

Sure it could well be more efficent, but when you consider all the variables involved, it's no wonder the code is more bloated than it needed to be, but when you consider the cost increase to the software development, which would be then forced upon the customer, it's clear to see that hardware costs are cheaper.

When XP first came out, most PC's couldn't really handle it, now it's not a concern.
 
so MS would know when we change and what we change, i dont want them spying on my system in first place, if i have spent 100+GBP on a legit software i expect to be left alone and do what ever i feel like with my purchase, but no!, MS says '"this agreement only gives you some rights to use the software. Microsoft reserves all other rights". ... who's incharge here? me or spying MS? i know this is the deal with most of the softwares around still, vista takes it a bit too far

as for uninstalling win defender, i dont know, you might not be able to BUT if you can, then either keep it and let MS mess with your pc OR uninstall it and let the rest of the world mess with your pc (spyware, malware, adware,<anything>ware .. ) ... OR spend some more and get third party anti-everything ... lose lose situation.

99% of hackers are watchin it .. haha .. yeah but punish 'them'! why make it difficult for someone with a legit copy?

oh yeah. I honestly think u missed the point or doesn't really care the solution.

its not like "either M$ mess ur pc or other ppl mess ur pc", u can always install third party free anti-virus, spyware software, can U? if u don't know, then let me tell you there are a bunch of great quality freewares that can do the job u need under windows. if u don't have any bias, u can try out for yourself and post back if it mess up your system.

Legit copy? can u make one with your Tiger? don't complain about that, most softwares do not allow you to make a copy.

M$ at least allows u to change your hardware and u can re-activate ur system, with mac, what kind of choice of hardware do u have? to what extend?
 
Nice tip!

I'd start a thread on this, it's certainly possible, try looking in System Preferences==>Bluetooth==>Devices==>Set up new Device.

Oh and clevin calling Microsoft M$, it is old and immature. :)

sorry, for whatever reason, i really don't enjoy being called name directly, unless i was being rude at first. :confused:

I always called MS as M$, being anti-M$ doesn't affect my judgment, and doesn't mean pro-apple.
 
oh yeah. I honestly think u missed the point or doesn't really care the solution.

its not like "either M$ mess ur pc or other ppl mess ur pc", u can always install third party free anti-virus, spyware software, can U? if u don't know, then let me tell you there are a bunch of great quality freewares that can do the job u need under windows. if u don't have any bias, u can try out for yourself and post back if it mess up your system.

Legit copy? can u make one with your Tiger? don't complain about that, most softwares do not allow you to make a copy.

M$ at least allows u to change your hardware and u can re-activate ur system, with mac, what kind of choice of hardware do u have? to what extend?

you skipped the first part of my post .. anyway doesnt matter, i think there isnt more to say on that anyway.

first i want to make this clear that i have no bias, i have only started using macintosh since last 3 weeks, yes honest truth.

coming to your post, :) .. thats what i wanted to hear, go for the third party softwares to save vista from malware ... tell me honestly mate, after years of development and billions of dollars spent in redmond, they come up with windows defender to offer as a safety against spyware etc. and give users 'out of the box' experience ... still if it lacks and people have to go for 3rd party solutions then how is that good?.. thats vista? thats how wow starts now? :p
 
I have owned Macs with 512mb of memory before, it is not pretty. 256? You gotta be joking

Really? My grandfather's B&W PowerMac G3 runs 10.2.8 with 128mb or memory. Sure, it isn't exactly fast, but it gets the job done. My uncle has an iBook G4 with 512mb of memory, and it runs Tiger great. Mac OS X runs fine on not much memory.
 
you skipped the first part of my post .. anyway doesnt matter, i think there isnt more to say on that anyway.

first i want to make this clear that i have no bias, i have only started using macintosh since last 3 weeks, yes honest truth.

coming to your post, :) .. thats what i wanted to hear, go for the third party softwares to save vista from malware ... tell me honestly mate, after years of development and billions of dollars spent in redmond, they come up with windows defender to offer as a safety against spyware etc. and give users 'out of the box' experience ... still if it lacks and people have to go for 3rd party solutions then how is that good?.. thats vista? thats how wow starts now? :p

lol, i was alway anti-m$ when i was under windows, i tried my best to use freeware and 3rd party softwares, i don't like system build-in stuff, i don't enjoy non-flexibility.

and i don't like it doesn't mean vista "require" 3rd party software so save it from malware. i think u understand it. windows defender might works just fine.

the part of your post i didn't respond are the part i agree(normally, if i didn't overlook them), just like u didn't respond all points in my post, i assume u agree with those part too.:D
 
Really? My grandfather's B&W PowerMac G3 runs 10.2.8 with 128mb or memory. Sure, it isn't exactly fast, but it gets the job done. My uncle has an iBook G4 with 512mb of memory, and it runs Tiger great. Mac OS X runs fine on not much memory.

lol, when u say OSX, be sure to remember 10.2 is very different from 10.4
and with Tiger, intel mac with 512MB can't run photoshop, MS Office smoothly(i know they are not native, so if u wanna compare openoffice, thats fine, and with OO, u still can't say OSX is faster than windows on a 512MB machine). while with windows XP, 512MB can run those quite good. again, I have no idea of Vista on this.
 
the part of your post i didn't respond are the part i agree(normally, if i didn't overlook them), just like u didn't respond all points in my post, i assume u agree with those part too.:D

touche ..... *grin*
 
no, sometimes i just love to see apple fans being contradict with themselves,
its really funny, they brag everything about the looks of OSX, but keep saying Vista's looks is useless... how interesting.
same applied to iphone and zune.
its always the logic, "when apple has it, its great, when other ppl have it, but apple doesn't, then its useless", lol, that s all i can say. :p

I am neither Mac or PC religious, but you're clearly off the mark here. Just because Vista has some nifty effect, doesn't mean it is better than OS X. Effects need to be there for a reason. I don't want my OS to look like a frikking FPS game with bumpmapping, lightsources, blurring, explosions, neon lights and all kind of crap just for the sake of it. I still haven't tried out Aero in Vista, but from what I have seen, it seems to be sometimes counter-productive. And that isn't good for any OS. My OS isn't a game. I want to be able to run useful and serious applications it it. This doesn't mean I don't want to play music with iTunes etc. like everybody else. Thats fine and iTunes is very stylish at that. But that Flip 3D effect that apparently gives you an orgasm... sheesh. As someone else pointed out, since OS X is already doing much (and with Leopard everything) GUI work in a 3D world using the GPU of the gfx card, it would be extremely simple to implement. But why on earth do it, when you have Expose, which IS superior to Flip 3D. Flip 3D looks so cheap I can't believe it, even from Microsoft.

I like parts of Windows, dislike parts of it. Same with OS X. Neither is perfect, but I know that OS X could probably do all of Vistas "cool" GUI effects if Ápple wanted it to. But Apple does more refined implementations of GUI effects than the direction Microsoft are going now, that is pretty obvious.
 
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