And there will still be more people who don’t want to walk around with Apple hardware on their FACES than do.
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And there will still be more people who don’t want to walk around with Apple hardware on their FACES than do.
Oh you will SurfMonkey, you will.
Good lord. No one is gatekeeping. That word is so stupid. Would you like a side order of micro-aggression to go with your gatekeeping? Maybe make it a combo and add a safe space to your order?
You continue to miss the point. The experience of watching a movie with strangers in VR is NOT remotely the same as watching together in the same theater. I'm not telling you that you're watching movies the wrong way. You're reading that into my comments.
It seems like VR is heavily a part of your identity and you obviously take any criticism personally. I don't care how you watch movies, but movies in VR are not the same experience, emotionally, socially, or energetically as the theater. In my opinion the theater is vastly superior, far more connected and human than VR. You're welcome to disagree, but please, enough of this taking every criticism of VR personally. I dare say, grow up. It's a discussion. No one is attacking you personally or "gatekeeping" (rolling my eyes).
Again, I don't care what you do. You're taking all of these comments so personally because you obviously think VR is amazing and can't deal with the fact that not everyone agrees with you.
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What is factually true or untrue here? We're discussing a rumored product, it's potential uses, and how society may or may not embrace this technology and why. You're not correcting anyone by jumping to VR's defense and taking every criticism so personally. Who said you're claiming that people are wrong for not enjoying VR?
How can I put this without sounding like a jerk? Stop being so whiny about this stuff. He's not calling you a liar. He's just being hyperbolic.
It's not. But at least I don't have stupid goggles strapped to my face and I'm not interacting with some cartoonish avatar.
I agree to an extent. VR just makes the problems worse because it further removes us from our shared reality and allows us to curate the reality we experience (and who is part of that). You talk about "gatekeeping". VR is the ultimate (for now...) gatekeeping tech. It's pretty easy to see how all of this social tech continues to slowly strip us of our humanity with each new development. VR will just continue this trend, but you're right, other form factors share many of the same issues when we're talking about social impacts.
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That's perfectly reasonable. I'm not complaining about people expressing preferences. (Though I think their input is less valuable if they have not experienced the thing they are criticizing. I've even seen people here claim that they can't possibly use VR because they can't focus on a screen two inches from their eyes—it's obvious that they haven't tried VR and have no idea how it works)
I've blocked a couple of people who go on bizarre rants about how VR is somehow connected to NFTs. Even though you disagree with me a lot, I mostly find your comments to be perfectly cromulent.
This are the kinds of comments that aren't useful:
I am not attacking other people's character for their preferred way of watching a movie, or calling them luddites or whatever.
I'm sorry that the term "gatekeeping" triggered you. I just think it's silly that people say I'm watching movies the wrong way:
I never said I only watch movies that way. But it is a way to for me to connect to people that are physically far away. If I weren't watching with those people, I'd rather watch on my OLED TV. The TV has better image quality, and I find VR to be less comfortable when I'm in a more passive experience.
I don't believe there is some special energy that comes from other people being physically present in a room, even if I can't see or hear them.
I think there is some value in segregating time in virtaul worlds and the real world. I'd rather someone spend a couple hours in VR, and leave their phone at home when going out, rather than being halfway in their virtual phone world all day.
We're in a thread about VR. I think it's weird how much time people who claim to not be interested in VR spend in threads like this* (not directed at you). I enjoy VR and have had some fun and unique experiences with it, so I want to share that. I have been using it less frequently recently due to comfort issues, the time it takes to set up, the lack of software, and the need to upgrade my PC means some newer titles aren't running well. I'm not going to make some wild predictions about how popular it will be, but I'm excited to see if maybe Apple's device can mitigate some of those issues.
I spend a lot more time playing traditional video games than VR games. I don't think VR games can, or should, replace traditional video games. But we aren't in a comment thread about traditional video games, so I'm not discussing that here. So of course you are seeing a skewed representation of me.
*but far be it from to gate-keep how people post on these forums
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Do you mean.. like headphones?
Apple industrial design lost me at "camera bump" on the iPhone 6. I'm still rocking my OG 2016 iPhone SE because of that. Ergo Apple Watch S3. Their knife cut both ways.
You wear headphones on your FACE?
And perhaps you should ask some of your female friends how they feel about wearing full size headphones and how it impacts their hair.
I swear. The myopia on display here is pretty amusing.
Why you needed the iPhone? you could have stayed with your Nokia...
Yeah. Let’s pretend that an iPhone is just a phone. Good one.
It doesn't matter what 'you believe'. It matters what real film makers believe. Quentin Tarantino, Steven Spielberg and Christopher Nolan, who coincidentally all still shoot on film, believe that there is nothing better than being in a theater.
These film makers are the experts. They are not some random lonely VR person on a forum with an opinion.
They know there is a special energy in shared real spaces. It's in the subtle and loud reactions. It's in the sweat and tears and laughter. It's in tiny changes in temperature. It's how all species connect in their environment.
You don't believe in this special energy? What does that say about your connection to society?
I think there is some value in segregating time in virtaul worlds and the real world. I'd rather someone spend a couple hours in VR, and leave their phone at home when going out, rather than being halfway in their virtual phone world all day.
We're in a thread about VR. I think it's weird how much time people who claim to not be interested in VR spend in threads like this* (not directed at you). I enjoy VR and have had some fun and unique experiences with it, so I want to share that. I have been using it less frequently recently due to comfort issues, the time it takes to set up, the lack of software, and the need to upgrade my PC means some newer titles aren't running well. I'm not going to make some wild predictions about how popular it will be, but I'm excited to see if maybe Apple's device can mitigate some of those issues.
I spend a lot more time playing traditional video games than VR games. I don't think VR games can, or should, replace traditional video games. But we aren't in a comment thread about traditional video games, so I'm not discussing that here. So of course you are seeing a skewed representation of me.
*but far be it from to gate-keep how people post on these forums
Nobody is saying you shouldn't watch movies in a VR theater.
Nobody is saying you can't have a virtual desktop in VR.
These have been around in Oculus since about 2014.
In non-VR glasses displays these have been around since the 90s.
Let's take a look at numbers.
Even though some theater chains struggling with their predatory costs imposed on them by landlords, cinema releases are still where the money is at.
Streaming releases don't make close to the money that cinema makes in an opening weekend despite streaming being around for years.
VR cinema makes how much money despite VR cinema apps being around for 9 years? Basically nothing...
...some crypto clowns tried to make VR cinema a thing and failed spectacularly.
You lost the analogy, just as like the iPhone was a new evolution of personal computing, AR devices are the next evolution.
But if you wanted to make the analogy about smartphones, you could talk about Blackberry and the iPhone, they did the same things basically, but the iPhone won because of the interface, and the same will be with AR. Realistic and interactive holograms of your friends and family that are over the other side of the country, or multiple viewscreens overlaying the real world for productivity - these are the ultimate killer apps of this device, and as it goes with tech, these headsets will be smaller and lighter with each passing year.
VR was the next big thing 7 years ago, now its AI
Better focus making Siri “smart” again as to me is more deaf and retarded than ever. I think She/It hates me or Im becoming a granpha unable to interact with latest tech, but speech dictation is worts than ever and creating appointments or reminders fails time to time
Better focus making Siri “smart” again as to me is more deaf and retarded than ever. I think She/It hates me or Im becoming a granpha unable to interact with latest tech, but speech dictation is worts than ever and creating appointments or reminders fails time to time
The problem is Nokia/Blacberry experience had a lot of room for improvements and extras to add, most of the people on planet were using them, so maing a better and more capable device was something with a lot of succes ratio.
But nobody I know has a Oculus or whatever the other VR headset are called. The experience must be tottally awesome or the product will take lot of time to take off
Many things can be the next big thing simultaneously. But VR was never the next big thing comparable to the scale of AI, an industry disruptor that will impact the workforce globally. The closest thing of that magnitude would be AR, in the way it will be a lifestyle/communications disruptor as the smartphone or PC was.
You'll have to setup an appointment at a local apple store.
No, I just don't see a use case for me.
It has to make some tasks better than doing the task on Mac/iPhone/iPad/Apple TV or do something which I can't do on those devices which is valuable to me.
Also:
- I don't game
- I don't like to broadcast video of myself or watch live video of other people in some sort of conversation or meeting
- I don't like standing (when I can sit)
- I don't like moving my hands (when they can rest)
VR, self driving cars and AI were all over hyped, over marketed and over promised. Remember all the articles of 'Apple Car'?
Then the visions crashed with reality.
People see through the largesse of the hype, the jankiness in user experiences and the bugs and limitations of the applications.
Then the over promising and hype gets scaled back and cut down to something more realistic.
The goal posts get moved. Oh we are sorry these things aren't ready for 2023 but we're working on making it work at some point in the future.
Well, no. First I pointed out a fundamental error in your argument and you then doubled down on it.
Obviously the “iPhone” is actually the “iPalmtop.” That was MY point.
iPhone is ubiquitous because the functionality is universal and the physical object presents a very low barrier to entry.
VR has no “killer app,” has no universal functionality and the physical object presents a HUGE barrier to entry. The only reason about 63% of the public at large wear glasses is because they HAVE TO. Poor eyesight is a disability. That fact does not suggest that everyone is going to rush to slap Apple hardware on their FACES.
But sure. Shoot for the high frontier. You’re welcome to invest this non-product with all your hopes and dreams. Never mind the reality. Never mind the utter lack of compelling use cases for this device. Never mind that it’s clearly and obviously a niche market segment that will never be the successor to iPhone that Apple dearly needs. Go for it. No skin off my nose. Enjoy Tim Cook’s Newton. If you can afford it (both socially and financially.)
good post.
not sure how bored you are of people using the term VR, and relating all this to VR, when it is AR........