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Are all MBP equipped with Nvidia 8600 defective?
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Not being a smart-ass here but if you think there's something else we can tell these people who ask about this at the moment...
i believe nvdia did state that only a small quantity of their 8600m cards were defective. so far there haven't been a significant amount of macbook pro users who reported a defective gpu considering the vast quantities of santa rosa macbook pro's that have been sold since june of 2007. But i guess it is still too early to tell since the oldest santa rosa macbook pros are only a little over year old.
This is the bit I don't get though.
In laymans terms, my understanding was that the issue was with the material used in the manufacturing, and that the material was the issue?
And as such, that's quite different from a faulty batch of something - its an inherent problem in the manufacturing process?
In laymans terms, my understanding was that the issue was with the material used in the manufacturing, and that the material was the issue?
And as such, that's quite different from a faulty batch of something - its an inherent problem in the manufacturing process?
Unfortunately, you are probably correct in your assessment of, and practical response to, the current situation. Short of a class action suit, the one off solutions offered by Dell & HP (and to a lesser extent Apple) or purchasing the extended warranty appear to be the only choices.
Sad really...
Almost sounded a fatigue problem with the solder joints on the chip package.
Sounds like the material finally reached its thermal limits, and is now cracking.
The XBox 360 almost sounded like it was having similar issues with the fatigue cracks, due to its high heat and hot/cold cycling on some of the chips.
Yes it is completely necessary. If he uses this board's search feature his computer would explode and possibly kill him.
I dont know why people compare this situation to xbox 360 because it has nothing to do with what was wrong with the 360.
This is a gpu problem and the xbox 360's board would just warp due to the heat so that the pins wont connect and there is a quick fix for it with the older 360's which microsoft fixed by switching to new material boards.
The also said the solder joints were breaking due to fatigue, which is what in happening to the Nvidia GPUs.
MS claimed it was due to a cold solder joint, but they were fixing it the same way Nvidia was -- switching from tin-lead (SnPb) to lead free solder.
The thermal stresses for both was cracking the solder joints.
Very interesting, now we just need a disgruntled nVidia engineer to leak the neccesary proof.
Cheers,
Some people really need to discern from SPECULATION and FACT.
First of all, Apple is *not* the only major company not discussing this, these chips are in about a dozen major brands of laptops. nVidia, Dell & HP haven't really said anything of substance anyways....you think a patch that keeps your fan on ALL THE TIME is a good sollution?
Secondly, this is still a RUMOUR more than its COMMON KNOWLEDGE. I've done my research as well and have been following closely....so far it has been an issue but is not even close to being "all" GPUs being faulty. Thats easy to say w/ a disclaimer of 'your cpu is ok now but just wait 3 yrs from now' or whatever. Even the most recent article to come out admitted this is all speculation at this point.
Obviously there's a problem here but just how widespread remains to be seen. Until its PROVEN I don't think people should be spouting off about it until some FACTS come in. Do you know the guy who started this at the Inq is known to be anti-nVidia and have a personal problem w/ that company? Food for thought.
ps If the nVidia cards are all defective Apple will do a recall to either fix or replace all related laptops....warranty or not...then pass that bill onto nVidia.
Just a question regarding a Gefen USB to DVI device. Do you think it bypasses the GPU? Would it work with a mbp with dead graphics card?
I don't think anyone said that the fans being sent into overdrive was a good solution. In fact, if we're being technical, it isn't a Solution at all but rather a Workaround to a Known Problem.
No, it isn't all speculation. There clearly is a problem, Nvidia have said as much, so that's a fact. There is considerable speculation about the extent of the problem. Sorry to be so picky, but you were banging on about separating speculation from fact yourself.
I'm confused. Now you say there's "obviously" a problem, but a paragraph ago you thought it was "all speculation".
Irrelevant if there is "obviously" a problem. Their supposed vendetta might account for them working so hard to highlight the problem and for their motives in fuelling speculation, but the reporter concerned didn't create the problem itself.
And I'll repeat what I've said before about this: considering the strength of the language used in his articles, and the harm caused to nvidia, if there was absolutely nothing at all of substance in his claims then why has he / the inquirer not been sued?
Yep, sure hope that's the case. I think apple need nvidia to 'own up' to the extent of the problem before they can easily pass on the cost of a major recall or warranty extension.
I'm sorry to pick apart your post in the way I have, I realise you'll probably think I'm a bit of an ass for doing so, but you spoke of separating fact from speculation, and if we're going to do that we need to be very precise and careful in what we say about the situation.