iPhone 11 Pro Are people overrating Nightmode? Look at this

GetSwole37

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I’m trying to understand the buzz on nightmode. Maybe I’m missing something.
Using my iPhone X and ProCam app. This is what I am able to do. I use low light option and then set the seconds options. I also took with flash and without.

No post editing. All I did was set it on a table and took these photos. Am I missing something? This isn’t really hardware, but software feature It’s been available since iPhoneX at least, are people just only using the native app and why people are amazed at this? I see this being software feature and not “a better camera”
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8 seconds slow shutter


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4 seconds slow shutter

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Using stock app using flash

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No flash
 

Knowlege Bomb

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You’d be surprised how opposed to third party apps some people can be. It’s also a question of convenience. Downloading an app, knowing the jargon and changing settings/aperture speeds/etc is stuff most people just don’t want to have to worry about.

So no, you’re not missing anything. It’s just more convenient that it’s built into the stock camera app with no necessary input to get great results.
 

MisterSavage

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This thread shows how dramatic some of the night shots can be. I personally love the new feature.

 
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I currently have an iPhone Xsmax and a Pixel 3aXL. The Pixel uses machine learning and the night mode of the Pixel phone is much more advanced than the iPhone Xsmax. I would be keen to see side by side photos from an iPhone 11 Pro and the latest Pixel phone in night mode.
 

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Yes you are missing something, it is the fact that using an app to do that will work by lengthening shutter time, the iPhone 11 method uses software to simulate that, all while holding the phone in your hand for a split second. No tripod, no leaning it up against something.
It’s awesome tech. and no I don’t have it, I have an iPhone X.
 
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I mean, the point is you don’t need to set it on a table. I can get similar results with my mirrorless camera but I have to carry a tripod. The iPhone allows this more without having to steady it and can apparently, to a limited extent, selectively apply it to a scene to limit motion blur in some background objects/people. Not perfect but not as simple as a long exposure. It also uses all of the frames to average out noise and help reduce it quite a bit.
I currently have an iPhone Xsmax and a Pixel 3aXL. The Pixel uses machine learning and the night mode of the Pixel phone is much more advanced than the iPhone Xsmax. I would be keen to see side by side photos from an iPhone 11 Pro and the latest Pixel phone in night mode.
There are a lot of examples online such as The Verge which shows the iPhone 11 Pro kicking the crap out of the Pixel 3 in several situations. The Pixel 3 was a mushy, dim, under saturated mess in areas of the image that the iPhone simply wasn’t. It was a bit surprising.
 

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I’m trying to understand the buzz on nightmode. Maybe I’m missing something.
Using my iPhone X and ProCam app. This is what I am able to do. I use low light option and then set the seconds options. I also took with flash and without.

No post editing. All I did was set it on a table and took these photos. Am I missing something? This isn’t really hardware, but software feature It’s been available since iPhoneX at least, are people just only using the native app and why people are amazed at this? I see this being software feature and not “a better camera”
I have a X with ProCamera (I love that app, especially VividHDR) with Lowlight+ and used that in the past. It's nothing special, it's just a long shutter time and you have to hold your phone really still. It's basically useless if you want to photograph people, unless they sit completely still and you also don't move.

I now have the 11 Pro and Night Mode blows me away. You don't have to hold your phone perfectly still, you can easily photograph people and animals, it's so much sharper and just looks miles better. Once you get your 11 you will see the difference ;)

Just scroll through this thread to see what I mean: https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/night-mode-is-the-real-deal.2199883/
 

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Most people aren't going to download pro type camera apps, they are going to use the stock camera they've been using for years and are going to be impressed by the improved features.
 

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Yes you are missing something, it is the fact that using an app to do that will work by lengthening shutter time, the iPhone 11 method uses software to simulate that, all while holding the phone in your hand for a split second. No tripod, no leaning it up against something.
It’s awesome tech. and no I don’t have it, I have an iPhone X.
I can tell you don’t have it, because it does work by extending the exposure time :)
 

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I have a DSLR which I could get much better results with than my iPhone.
However when I’m using my iPhone I just want to point and shoot and then get on with what I’m doing rather than having to fuss about the settings. Personally I think the stock app is a great tool for what it’s designed to do, taking decent photos with minimal effort.
 
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GetSwole37

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Yes you are missing something, it is the fact that using an app to do that will work by lengthening shutter time, the iPhone 11 method uses software to simulate that, all while holding the phone in your hand for a split second. No tripod, no leaning it up against something.
It’s awesome tech. and no I don’t have it, I have an iPhone X.
you know an app is software right?
You know that some of the examples on YouTube are indeed using a tripod?
In order for you to get a person in picture, they must be very still.

it’s not a split second on your hand either. Go look it up. the camera app will suggest how long you should set it up for. It’s usually between 1-3 seconds. Looks like 3 seconds being max. And I’m telling you, you have to hold it still and not in your hand to avoid blur. You will learn this soon enough when you get it. I think it’s actually pretty cool. Don’t get me wrong. I just want to mention this to people who would want to upgrade because of nightmode

let me also say this. Before portrait mode was brought into the iPhone camera app, there were apps doing the same. Apple always finds app functionality that is so good, they add it into their own.

Before airdrop, there was an app called bump that would do same. Only thing was users had to both have it installed. Apple integrated into the iOS. I could go on and on.
 
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Because people won’t download these apps they will use stock camera and use it when they see fit.

night mode was long overdue and within stock camera i will use it a lot...on an app? No i wouldn’t
 

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Put two people in that photo and have them stand there for 8 seconds and let's see how that looks. I can tell you in advance it will suck because people can't stand motionless for 8 seconds....or even 1 second.
 

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Put two people in that photo and have them stand there for 8 seconds and let's see how that looks. I can tell you in advance it will suck because people can't stand motionless for 8 seconds....or even 1 second.
for landscapes. 8 seconds. Is fine.
What’s the max you can do on the new iPhone? 3 seconds. I don’t want to disagree w you by any means, but so far, I haven’t seen a lot of pics w people moving along and the ones I did, felt like they had some blur. I don’t even know how long it took. For all I know, it could have been one second.

im trying to get good honest debate and see how much different it is between a 3rd party app and stock app.
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Put two people in that photo and have them stand there for 8 seconds and let's see how that looks. I can tell you in advance it will suck because people can't stand motionless for 8 seconds....or even 1 second.
for landscapes. 8 seconds. Is fine.
What’s the max you can do on the new iPhone? 3 seconds. I don’t want to disagree w you by any means, but so far, I haven’t seen a lot of pics w people moving along and the ones I did, felt like they had some blur. I don’t even know how long it took. For all I know, it could have been one second.

im trying to get good honest debate and see how much different it is between a 3rd party app and stock app.
 

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It comes down to what type of photography you are into. If landscapes is your game you have found a nice option and you don't need to upgrade.
 

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Put two people in that photo and have them stand there for 8 seconds and let's see how that looks. I can tell you in advance it will suck because people can't stand motionless for 8 seconds....or even 1 second.
Except the average wait time I've seen is 3 seconds, not 8 seconds. I took a photo of two people in crappy light yesterday and it turned out great.
 

deuxani

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it’s not a split second on your hand either. Go look it up. the camera app will suggest how long you should set it up for. It’s usually between 1-3 seconds. Looks like 3 seconds being max. And I’m telling you, you have to hold it still and not in your hand to avoid blur. You will learn this soon enough when you get it.
It depends on the light what the max is. I've seen it go to max 10 seconds on my 11 Pro. And it's not that it keeps the shutter open for 10 seconds like it does with ProCamera, so you don't have to use a tripod. This weekend I've been taking a lot of pictures with my 11 Pro and I've taken thousands of pictures with my X and ProCamera in the past. It's uncomparable. Try it out for yourself to believe it, because it seems like nobody here can convince you :)
 

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It depends on the light what the max is. I've seen it go to max 10 seconds on my 11 Pro. And it's not that it keeps the shutter open for 10 seconds like it does with ProCamera, so you don't have to use a tripod. This weekend I've been taking a lot of pictures with my 11 Pro and I've taken thousands of pictures with my X and ProCamera in the past. It's uncomparable. Try it out for yourself to believe it, because it seems like nobody here can convince you :)
Post some pics. I want you to convince me! Honestly. I really do. I’m going back and forth and really want to get a good look at the recording video from all cameras at once. I could really use that in some cool videos I would make. I want to see a bit more.
 

deuxani

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Post some pics. I want you to convince me! Honestly. I really do. I’m going back and forth and really want to get a good look at the recording video from all cameras at once. I could really use that in some cool videos I would make. I want to see a bit more.
Scroll through this thread to see some sample pics: https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/night-mode-is-the-real-deal.2199883/

Also on Twitter you can see a lot of examples, also of large groups of people in dimly lid environments.

But like I said, you have to experience it yourself for your situation to fully understand the difference. You will see that in situations where you would normally not even think of taking photos you can now take beautiful shots.
 

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I agree with the OP. The cameras on the 11 Pro are definitely better in low light but it appears this is due to software. I don’t see any technical reason the same software couldn’t have been applied to previous models. Clearly they’ve kept it 11 exclusive in order to sell phones!
 

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/facepalmed once I saw the '8 seconds'
you stated yourself the only difference is the 3rd camera in another post. Then on another post you say this: “can you drop the ridiculous exaggeration and deeply offensive slurs and make a reasonable point instead?” I guess. Your comment on here is what I would call calling the kettle black. i went outside and just gave an example. I didn’t take time to set up a good scenario with more vibrant colors to provide a good example. I can next time.
 

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Of course the picture will look washed out when you extend the shutter too long. It will be the same if you had an expensive DSLR.
 
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I agree with the OP. The cameras on the 11 Pro are definitely better in low light but it appears this is due to software. I don’t see any technical reason the same software couldn’t have been applied to previous models. Clearly they’ve kept it 11 exclusive in order to sell phones!
right. Yes, I think there is some marginal difference between what the X camera can do in lowlight vs the new one. I love iOs and you probably can’t get me to switch to Android even if other hardware is better. Apple knows how to perfect their own applications. I do give them credit for their implementation of it that’s for sure. But end of day, it’s software and not hardware.
 

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I used long shutter apps on my previous phones and they never came close to what nightmode does. Night mode artificially calculates colours even when it cannot see them accurately.
 
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