Are they changing the iPhone 4?

[Block]

yeah, but your example can also be considered misleading w/out the actual 3GS drop call rate used in the study....
For example if the 3GS dropped 2/100 calls, then the iPhone 4 (3/100) drops calls 1.5 times more than the 3GS ...
Obviously the higher the drop calls on the 3GS the less difference and vice-versa, w/out the actual 3GS drop rate # used in the study to calculate the extra drop call in the iPhone 4, made up examples won't give the real difference...

That was the point I was trying to point out . People often like to say "the iPhone 4 only drops 1 extra call per 100 calls" but they don't actually know how much of an increase that is.

 

[Sticman]

Apple losing Iphone sales due to antenna

Here's a reason that they might change it, even before next year:

"Apple...may lose as much as much as 20% of potential sales in the US because customers are concerned about the antenna design's effect on signal strength."

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-...a-design-flaw-may-cap-sales-analyst-says.html

They actually have a duty to shareholders to get this problem worked out so that sales are not affected.

We'll see how soon, but it will be fixed at some point in the future.

 

[aohus]

wow you actually think a new iphone is coming out later this year....

i didn't mean an entirely newly redesigned phone. I said an updated 'internal design,' which has been reported by several publications to fix the antenna problem.

 

[izimzis]

divorse and get a wife that doesnt phone so much....think different

 

[PirateP]

There will not be a new iPhone until June 2011.

The end.

 

[Glideslope]

Here's a reason that they might change it, even before next year:

"Apple...may lose as much as much as 20% of potential sales in the US because customers are concerned about the antenna design's effect on signal strength."

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-...a-design-flaw-may-cap-sales-analyst-says.html

They actually have a duty to shareholders to get this problem worked out so that sales are not affected.

We'll see how soon, but it will be fixed at some point in the future.

There is hope for this site after all. Well done.

 

[saving107]

The analysis is based on a Piper Jaffray survey of 258 mobile-phone users in Minneapolis last month. About two-thirds of the people surveyed said they were aware of the antenna design, and 20 percent of those said it affected their decision to buy the phone.

Out of the 258 People surveyed during lunch time downtown Minneapolis, 2/3 of those people (170) said that they heard of the antenna issues, and 20% of the 170 people (34) said that it affected their decision.

This must be hard evidence of a redesign coming soon.

Now, I don't know if Apple is or isn't going to re-design the current iPhone, but a survey of 258 people a month ago is not conclusive evidence of anything, especially not from Piper Jaffray.

 

[cu2010]

The wait is 3 weeks if you order from but you can buy one from AT&T immediately. Who would place an order at unless you'd get a revised model?

 

[OutSpoken]

I never realized buying an iPhone 4 was required for having a nice job. I have a nice job and I love my wife as well. I just have the common sense to not buy her things she's not going to appreciate.

But to stay on topic and answer you original question. I don't think there will be any major change to the antenna. If anything it will be a simple coating on the antenna or bumper that is included in the box. The phone in it's current state is still selling extremely well. Why would they spend extra money to change what the majority of people don't consider a problem. People who complain vocally or on websites are not the majority.

But by your own admission, if the majority of people arent complaining... then why would there be a mass class act? surley people who kept their iPhone 4's after the whole antenna debate wouldnt think its a big enough deal to complain about if Apple was to decide to improve the antenna for future devices.

Just saying...

 

[Derkatwork]

My iPhone is coming in the mail. From what I gather, the two main issues are the antenna and the proximity sensor. Are those both 'fixed'? I'm getting a bumper since it's free and wasn't sure if 4.1 (or if it is waiting until 4.2) for the sensor issue.

 

[Elyquin]

To LPT:
No jab to you was intended.


To izimzis { divorse and get a wife that doesnt phone so much....think different }
I knew what I was getting into. When we were dating, she had 2 cell phones. 2 phones and 2 promo plans were cheaper then 1 large plan.


To Derkatwork:
She loves her new iPhone. However, it doesn't feel like much of a leap from her iPhone 3G because she doesn't use the face2face feature. Talking, texting and photos are the activities she does most. Her apps are mainly eBay, Facebook, restaurant apps, movies, recipes, etc.
We aren't bashing the new iPhone, and we don't have buyer's remorse. If we knew about the antenna issue before we ordered it, we still would have ordered it since we skipped the 3Gs model.
Some posters have suggested use a case. We have been using a case since its purchase. I was just surprised that she made that comment of calls seem to be dropping more on her new phone.


To all the other nice posters:
Thanks for responding. Since my business will pay for the new phone, I am just going to get it now rather than wait for an internal antenna redesign.

 

[macse30]

Put me in the 20% camp. I would have upgraded from 3GS to 4 on day 1 if AT&T allowed me early upgrade. When they allowed it a few weeks later, I decided to wait until Apple fixed the problem.

Good comment by Sticman. Apple's responsibility to shareholders comes first. If they have a product that causes a PR problem, they will fix it sooner rather than later. I'll upgrade in January one way or another to the original iP4 or the iP4+.

 

[looking4anotebo]

They are not going to change it. If they do, it opens a rather large can of worms. They would have a significant amount of people returning their phones to get fixed or (more likely) replaced. 4.4 million sold according to the source listed earlier in the thread. Huge costs, not to mention the ding to the credibility. Remember the press conference?

And why would they? From a business perspective, they are selling these things as fast as they can make them. Sales might finally slow in the winter, but Apple should be cutting back production anyway for the cdma version. Their focus is going to be on pumping out as many cdma iphones as possible for the nation's largest carrier. That gets released in January? They won't be able to make enough iphones to meet demand. That will last for months. Next thing you know, we are already in summer 2011 and the iphone 5 is coming out. Now those iphone 4 users who would be fine keeping their phone another 1-2 years, are more tempted than usual to upgrade and gain better reception. Apple wins.