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We were DINKs for 7.5 years after marriage, but recently had a baby. While he is ridiculously awesome (most of the time...an utter pain the ass the rest of the time :D), and I wouldn't give him up for anything, we both are "mourning" the loss of ultimate freedom. As freelancers, we were able to just take off whenever we wanted and do whatever we wanted pretty much any time. Now that she isn't working (we couldn't both keep working the way we were), we are SIKs. Hopefully not for long, though.

Now, we are of course tied down a little more. But one thing that we promised each other beforehand is that we would not let the kid consume our lives. We have friends who have never spent more than a couple of hours away from their children in five years, and will only leave them with family, because they are terrified of someone else's style influencing their kids. Our boy is less than three months old, and we've already left him with a babysitter around 8 times.

But having kids is definitely NOT for everyone. I have several friends who I could not imagine trying to raise children. They simply do not have the will or patience to deal with such a thing, or it's just simply not for them. And that's perfectly fine. In plenty of ways, I envy them and the fact that they are not nailed down by decades of responsibility and cost.

I was at lunch with a friend recently, and the woman doing the catering was asking about children, and he proudly said that he was not going to be having any. Her response was "What do you mean you're not? How could you NOT have children? Do you even know what that means?" He explained that the responsibility was simply not for him, and it was better that he didn't do it. Her response? "Well, FINE! You don't deserve children!!" Some people are militant about it!

IMO it's unbelievably selfish of your families to pressure you to have kids for their sakes, or because they think they know best in regard to how you should live your lives.

This. Having children is not just some thing people do, like going to the store or ordering a new amazing cooking spray off a TV ad at 4am. It's a 24/7 responsibility for many years, and thousands of dollars a year. And it's not something you can easily blow off for a week. That is asking a lot from someone.
 
(Dual Income no Kids)

I rarely create threads but as I approach 30 it is clear to me that I do not want children. My partner agrees and thus I feel we will be DINKs for life.

Once I thought as you do, now we are SITCOM's (Single Income, Two Children, Oppressive Mortgage)...
 
...This. Having children is not just some thing people do, like going to the store or ordering a new amazing cooking spray off a TV ad at 4am. It's a 24/7 responsibility for many years, and thousands of dollars a year. And it's not something you can easily blow off for a week. That is asking a lot from someone.

It's also a choice, without having any connection to whether or not someone is capable of it; it can also be about whether or not someone wants that life.
 
Her response was "What do you mean you're not? How could you NOT have children? Do you even know what that means?" He explained that the responsibility was simply not for him, and it was better that he didn't do it. Her response? "Well, FINE! You don't deserve children!!" Some people are militant about it!

Fortunately I have yet to meet anyone like this. :)

To be fair to my parents - they've settled down about it quite a lot, although I do get a little good natured ribbing from time to time. I can deal with that.
 
Fortunately I have yet to meet anyone like this. :)

To be fair to my parents - they've settled down about it quite a lot, although I do get a little good natured ribbing from time to time. I can deal with that.

i've met quite a few who are like that. i decided long ago that children weren't for me and i can no longer have kids. my own choice. parenthood isn't for everyone, and tons of people i know just don't understand it at all. they are constantly trying to change my mind. i've learned to tune them out at least.
 
The whole "smart people are too smart to have kids and are off curing cancer" argument is absurd. I have loads of quite brilliant friends that have decided to procreate and are doing a wonderful job at it. Let's not oversimplify, or worse, do that thing other people do to us childless folks - act like their chosen path is the enlightened one. And let's not use the Maury Povich set as the barometer for breeders.

I'm in that weird limbo zone where I am scarily undecided. I used to be deadset against them, knowing how much work, time, patience, and money goes into giving them a fair shot at not needing therapy. I always saw myself as living a lifestyle that didn't readily include children - and I still do to some extent.

I'm just not sure. Sometimes I feel like I should know for sure by now (rapidly approaching 30), and sometimes I feel like it takes some people longer than others. Then I get gripped by paralyzing fear at the prospect of being responsible for a baby. Then I imagine my future wife wanting them and whether or not it'd be a true dealbreaker.

It's tough. Socially, the age scale for having children has changed, but biologically, it hasn't. After undergrad, working, earning a master's, and starting the career ladder, I'm well into my 20s and if I want my own kids (also includes some serious planning considering I'm a lesbian), I have to at least have it in my brain stew.

There's also something really nice about traveling on a whim, spending my money on myself, etc. It's something I've been thinking about a lot lately. I do know that I really resent the societal pressure to have children. I am recently single, and I swear all anyone can talk about is whether or not I'm going to elect to have children on my own. like that's the only reason to be in a relationship, and also the only collateral damage after a breakup. Rude. People are also always trying to convince me to change my mind, or tell me that I'll be missing out on the best thing in life. Also rude.

Sorry, that was a novel. Suffice to say I have no freaking idea and it's beginning to cause some anxiety. I don't want to decide wrong one way or the other.
 
i've met quite a few who are like that.

It's possible we're spared the worst of it because people know that one of us would have to completely give up on our career to make it happen (we can't even have pets at home), and figure we're simply unwilling to do that. What I think many of my parent-friends have a hard time understanding is that this isn't a financial, career, or convenience based decision - we just don't want kids. It's as simple as that.
 
It's possible we're spared the worst of it because people know that one of us would have to completely give up on our career to make it happen (we can't even have pets at home), and figure we're simply unwilling to do that. What I think many of my parent-friends have a hard time understanding is that this isn't a financial, career, or convenience based decision - we just don't want kids. It's as simple as that.

knowing the careers that you both have, i can see where that would help things immensely from other's perspectives. even if its not the reason behind your decisions, at least it gives you an out.
 
We have been DINKs for years and are now retired which makes us DRINKs (double retired income, no kids). We have several nieces and nephews and now a bunch of grand nieces and nephews and always have made it a policy to keep in close contact, visit them, have them spend time with us and have spent a bundle of money on them over a 40 year period. Our policy has been to borrow them, spoil them, and return them. We feel we have had great experiences with children and continue to do so, but we also have time to ourselves. Worked for us, but is not for everyone. To each ...
 
DI1K here. Parenthood is the greatest adventure I've ever undertaken. I'd prefer to remain with only one child but we'll see how that goes...

If parenthood isn't for you, cool. It's hard. Hardest thing I've ever done. You sacrifice a lot. You test your limits of patience, sleep deprivation and a host of other boundaries.

But if you think it could be for you, do it. It's incredible. Most rewarding task I've ever undertaken. You get back every ounce of energy you put in times a billion. Children are truly remarkable creatures and I'm better for fathering one. She's the greatest gift in my life and I now live so that her life may be better.

As for the whole "smart" people do this or that theory, well, if that's your attitude, I'd prefer you stay out of the gene pool anyway. Ignorance breeds ignorance, or so they say. There's a chasm of difference between methodically choosing not to have a child and not having one on the grounds that you feel you're smarter than everyone else. Where do people come up with this crap?
 
Does this remind no one but me of that How I Met Your Mother episode with the GCWOKs?
 
Once I thought as you do, now we are SITCOM's (Single Income, Two Children, Oppressive Mortgage)...

I like that... :D

One of the things no one ever says, is that when you have kids you pretty much instantly turn into your respective parents. No one ever mentions this in all the preparation beforehand. This is the big secret.

I changed overnight from being a sophisticated metrosexual man about town into my dad. Yep - it's all happened - body shape has gone south, I've become fixated on my car's fuel consumption, the kids now think their names are 'switchthatbloodylightoff' and 'turnthatbloodytvdown', my political views are changing from liberal to slightly right of completely deranged and I'm contemplating a new shed... Agh! I've had it! My only hope is either an unaffordable red sports car or an equally unaffordable Eastern European Au Pair

This should be a warning to all you lucky DINK's... Enjoy it while it lasts :eek:
 
I'm sorry to offend.

But in my experience, intelligent people do what is their best interest. .... Just my opinion.

My experience is different. Some of the smartest people I know have kids. One couple, and they are both scary smart, are going through the adoption process they want kids that badly.

I like that... :D

One of the things no one ever says, is that when you have kids you pretty much instantly turn into your respective parents. ....the kids now think their names are 'switchthatbloodylightoff' and 'turnthatbloodytvdown', my political views are changing from liberal to slightly right of completely deranged and I'm contemplating a new shed... Agh! I've had it! My only hope is either an unaffordable red sports car or an equally unaffordable Eastern European Au Pair
This should be a warning to all you lucky DINK's... Enjoy it while it lasts :eek:

Best post of the thread....
 
I have kids, and I'm not going to critizie someone who chooses not to have children. Its a very personal decision that requires complete buy in.

Personally, I'm amazed at how blessed and how rewarding having children is, but that doesn't make it easy.
 
DINK for now, DIWK in 5 or so years.

I can't wait to have kids - I'm just too busy with my career and having childless fun for now.
 
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