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Are you satisfied with this morning's spec bump?

This update is beyond what I had expected. I expected only Skylake but the higher SSD and RAM look very nice. I don't know whether I'll sell my MacBook for this. I still don't like the keyboard after 8 months of owning it. I'd be interested in the MacBook Pro redesign now that my uses have changed to need more processor power. I'm a heavy user of Dragon Naturally Speaking voice dictation and my 2015 Macbook certainly lags with it.

Overall I'm very impressed with this update.
 
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Buerkletucson said:
Let your true colors show......very intelligent response there, wow. :)
Your impressing nobody but yourself.

Can you actually see?
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Ad homs...really? Well I guess that shows your true intellectual capabilities.

Im not gonna agree with you. Stop trying, unless you're willing to present a balanced arguement.

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boltjames said:
The RMB has no limitations when it is used for its intended purpose by those who understand its intended purpose.

BJ
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Care to explain its intended usage to me at the current price point? :rolleyes:
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KPOM said:
If a buyer is motivated primarily by "bang for the buck," then chances are that person is getting a Windows notebook. Yes, Windows PCs with similar specifications and build quality to Macs have prices that are closer to Macs (though often there is still a bit of a Mac premium), but there is a wider range of capable devices at lower price points. There is also more software for Windows, and there are devices, such as the Surface Pro, that offer 2-in-1 capabilities, even if neither of the capabilities is the most optimized.
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Making assumptions is the problem. Getting the best bang for buck does not mean getting a Windows notebook...an OS built on an unstable kernel. Why are you assuming. I would classify the rMBP being the best bang for your buck.

In Apples product line, the rMB is underpowered. I'd like too see what the forum members here, who are praising the Core M chips, and understanding the rMBs true intended usage, say once Apple ups the processing power. Theyll change stance in accordance with Apples actions...thats what sheeps do.:p
 
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Uni Grad said:
Ad homs...really? Well I guess that shows your true intellectual capabilities.

Im not gonna agree with you. Stop trying, unless you're willing to present a balanced arguement.

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Care to explain its intended usage to me at the current price point? :rolleyes:
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Making assumptions is the problem. Getting the best bang for buck does not mean getting a Windows notebook...an OS built on an unstable kernel. Why are you assuming. I would classify the rMBP being the best bang for your buck.

In Apples product line, the rMB is underpowered. I'd like too see what the forum members here, who are praising the Core M chips, and understanding the rMBs true intended usage, say once Apple ups the processing power. Theyll change stance in accordance with Apples actions...thats what sheeps do.:p
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At $1300 yea it's underpowered.
 
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Uni Grad said:
In Apples product line, the rMB is underpowered. I'd like too see what the forum members here, who are praising the Core M chips, and understanding the rMBs true intended usage, say once Apple ups the processing power. Theyll change stance in accordance with Apples actions...thats what sheeps do.:p
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Obviously, if Apple could get a Skylake-U (or whatever the future replacement is) into a notebook of the same price, size, battery life, weight, display, SSD, and all other features of the 12" rMB without massive throttling issues, that would be a more desirable notebook. But since no one else has done it (everyone else compromises on the weight, size, and/or display) it seems pretty clear that it isn't technologically feasible in 2016. The Skylake-U requires an active cooling system. The HP Spectre has a very interesting system, but it is also, larger, heavier and has a lower quality display.
 
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Uni Grad said:
Care to explain its intended usage to me at the current price point?
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The RMB is a secondary notebook for a wealthy traveling executive. This type of individual puts a premium on form factor and portability over horsepower and multitasking because they have a series of subordinates to handle the kinds of menial tasks that require it.

Your use of the term "price point" is the first clue that you don't understand the RMB's mission. Apple is one of the world's foremost luxury brands and this is their luxury notebook. Those who try to save a buck or convert this into the MacBook Air of their dreams always show this level of confusion, always act like this is an underfeatured product and a terrible value. Those are the exact reasons their target audience loves it so much.

We want to spend more money for sleek design, we want to lose the horsepower and ports we will never use, we want an exclusive notebook that few can afford.

BJ
 
boltjames said:
The RMB is a secondary notebook for a wealthy traveling executive. This type of individual puts a premium on form factor and portability over horsepower and multitasking because they have a series of subordinates to handle the kinds of menial tasks that require it.

Your use of the term "price point" is the first clue that you don't understand the RMB's mission. Apple is one of the world's foremost luxury brands and this is their luxury notebook. Those who try to save a buck or convert this into the MacBook Air of their dreams always show this level of confusion, always act like this is an underfeatured product and a terrible value. Those are the exact reasons their target audience loves it so much.

We want to spend more money for sleek design, we want to lose the horsepower and ports we will never use, we want an exclusive notebook that few can afford.

BJ
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Form over function, I guess.
And who is we? We is surely not representative of the whole market. If it meets your requirements, great. Just don't impose it on me though.

Its "mission" is to replace the Air. Not happening right now, well with its current processors. :)
 
Uni Grad said:
Its "mission" is to replace the Air. Not happening right now, well with its current processors. :)
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I think it's mission is to lure shinny toy Ipad users in to the world of shiny exec toy laptops before these dwindling Ipad users move over to the world of 2 in 1's, I do not believe Apple are encouraging downgrades all be it in a very svelte package, screen res aside.
 
SteveJUAE said:
I think it's mission is to lure shinny toy Ipad users in to the world of shiny exec toy laptops before these dwindling Ipad users move over to the world of 2 in 1's, I do not believe Apple are encouraging downgrades all be it in a very svelte package, screen res aside.
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Thats a valid point.
However wouldnt Apple be trying to sell more iPads to iPad users...considering iPad sales arent doing too well.
I think the rMB is a design statement. Shows how far Apple can go with their engineering. And that itll serve as the design basis for the 2016 rMBPs.
 
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For me the rMBPs are kind of a useless inbetween product (except for the 15" if you need the GPUs) at the moment, judging from all these benchmarks and reports the rMB seem to handle most of the basic tasks (especially with the m7 CPU) nicely, when we go to high computational needs no laptop will suffice either way. Do I really care if the rMB takes 3 minutes to do a calculation while a rMBP takes 2? Not really no, both are fast enough to do while I check for posts on a forum or so. When I do some proper calculations and the rMB takes 60+ hours and the rMBP take 40+ both are too slow to be useful, thats when I will want to use a server with 10+ physical cores or at the very least a beast desktop that takes sub 10 hours.

This was all different just 3-4 years ago when the 13" Pros were the units that had just enough power to do the basic tasks in a more professional setting (ie more than just browsing and word processing).
 
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For me the rMPBs are kind of a useless inbetween product (except for the 15" if you need the GPUs) at the moment, judging from all these benchmarks and reports the rMB seem to handle most of the basic tasks (especially with the m7 CPU) nicely, when we go to high computational needs no laptop will suffice either way. Do I really care if the rMB takes 3 minutes to do a calculation while a rMBP takes 2? Not really no, both are fast enough to do while I check for posts on a forum or so. When I do some proper calculations and the rMB takes 60+ hours and the rMBP take 40+ both are too slow to be useful, thats when I will want to use a server with 10+ physical cores or at the very least a beast desktop that takes sub 10 hours.

This was all different just 3-4 years ago when the 13" Pros were the units that had just enough power to do the basic tasks in a more professional setting (ie more than just browsing and word processing).
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Yes. That's only true for the short term. The rMBP has longevity due to a more powerful processor.
What's best depends on how long you own a computer.
 
Uni Grad said:
Yes. That's only true for the short term. The rMBP has longevity due to a more powerful processor.
What's best depends on how long you own a computer.
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Yeah I wouldn't think a rMB will keep up with the latest software for 3 years. That's why I am a bit on the fence about getting the m7, I really think you want to upgrade a product like the rMB every year and upgraded CPUs usually do not give you much higher resale value down the line.
 
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Yeah I wouldn't think a rMB will keep up with the latest software for 3 years. That's why I am a bit on the fence about getting the m7, I really think you want to upgrade a product like the rMB every year and upgraded CPUs usually do not give you much higher resale value down the line.
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I'm personally holding out for the rMBPs coming, hopefully, this WWDC. Though the rMB design excites me for what Apple has in store with the rMBPs.
 
Uni Grad said:
I'm personally holding out for the rMBPs coming, hopefully, this WWDC. Though the rMB design excites me for what Apple has in store with the rMBPs.
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Yeah I am a bit inbetween there, mostly due to screen size. Performance wise I think the rMB really will be enough and will be nice with a fanless design and such, I actually prefer the keyboard on the rMB compared to the traditional one.

The question for me is if I think 12" will be big enough to use for coding and such around the apartment.

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No it's not. It's heavier, but also more powerful with the ports I need.
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I am quite sure he made a stab at how dumb it was saying the rMB is underpowered at $1300. With the same logic the rMBP is too heavy for it's price
 
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How is it dumb? It's an opinion. People have different opinions you know.
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Yeah, and with that logic the rMBP is too heavy at $1600. Also, most people I know express opinions as opinions, not facts, ie saying "I think that ...".
 
KPOM said:
Obviously, if Apple could get a Skylake-U (or whatever the future replacement is) into a notebook of the same price, size, battery life, weight, display, SSD, and all other features of the 12" rMB without massive throttling issues, that would be a more desirable notebook. But since no one else has done it (everyone else compromises on the weight, size, and/or display) it seems pretty clear that it isn't technologically feasible in 2016. The Skylake-U requires an active cooling system. The HP Spectre has a very interesting system, but it is also, larger, heavier and has a lower quality display.
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I don't know if this really so infeasible. Acer will surprisingly launch the first fanless Skylake (U i3-i7) surface style hybrid next month. The Acer's Switch Alpha 12 has a new liquid cooled heatpipe system. According to the hands on from the german techblog golem, the Core i5-6200U version sustains 2,2ghz (947 MHz GPU) after 15min of constant load with Prime95 and Furmark while a Surface 4 with Core i5-6300U (and a fan) throttles to 1,3 GHz in the same scenario. It gets a bit hot, but not worse than the Surface. http://www.golem.de/news/acer-aspir...eindruckende-kuehlleistung-1604-120420-2.html

Specs: 12'' 2,160 x 1,440 IPS touchscreen (pen support), i3- i7, 4-8GB RAM, SSD up to 512GB, 11.5 x 7.93 x 0.62 inches, 2.76 pounds (with keyboard/trackpad), tablet alone 0.37 height, 1.98 pounds, USB C (no TB3), USB 3.0, Mirco SD slot, 1080p webcam, 8h battery life, price starts at 599$ (keyboard included) http://www.acer.com/ac/en/US/press/2016/182718

Imo this isn't so far away from the rMB, but i guess most people here will argue against the weight/hybrid category and declare it incomparable, but from my perspective there is a certain overlap in the targeted audiences. I wouldn't recommend this anyone, who's looking for a good laptop, especially because a few friends and family members had some awful experience with Acer in the past. But the specs are definitely interesting. Maybe we will see some more Windows competition with passive Skylake U processors in the future. And i wonder what Apple will offer at the WWDC for the next rMBP.
 
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