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It's really simple. Allow third party stores. Completely limit their API links into the system. basically WebApps.

Personally. I think Apple has a complete right to run the only App Store. partly because of Security but mostly because they invented the hardware and software.

It's like someone demanding to be allowed open up a market stall inside of a Mall for free.

30% is nothing ( actually 15% now for smaller devs ) when I was doing development in the old CD/DVD I'd be lucky to take home 30% after all the Marketing, DVD Printing, Postage, storage. third party cuts ( which were 30-40% alone)
Yes, I agree with you. But this could could have serious ramifications across al business across the entire country. It could kill some companies and reduce others. The 30% is not simply a random fee, there is the cost of running the operation. They might have to switch to an AWS model....charge developers for amount of storage on servers and per MB of data up and down
 
Lobbying = bribing.
Intense lobbying = intense bribing.
Thise who've got the money shape the laws
A cynic would say that pols have all kinds of bills held, in reserve, to be selectively released in time of need. You know, son busted for crack or “private jet and island” is discovered and lots of “intense lobbying” is needed to make it go away. Pick a particulary juicy bill, publicize it, and send it to committee - then contact the bill’s target and let them know that only INTENSE lobbying will stop whatever said bill purports to accomplish. Problem solved.
 
In all honesty, yes the App Store is a lucrative business, but it has served as a good portal.

Assuming I were ever given the choice between the App Store or XYZ-store, I'd pick Apple's App Store. I value my privacy, and tight control. Yes, there is a chance devs have to fork over a 15% or 30% commission, but nothing is free. Developer tools require an input.

My $0.02

I don’t think anybody disagrees with you. No consumer is begging for an Epic Store. It’s the fact that if there’s aaaaaanything in an app which Apple doesn’t like, you effectively can’t do it on iOS, and that’s silly.
 
I can’t wait for the day that I can go to Best Buy and use a computer station or cash register set up in the store (by Sony) to buy a Sony Product being sold by Best Buy but bypassing the markup Best Buy have on the product. It’s gonna be great. SMH.
Bad explanation of what the bill was attempting to do.

The correct statement would be "I can’t wait for the day I can download the Best Buy app and use it to buy a Product being sold by Best Buy and where Apple doesn't get a 15% to 30% cut of product sale. It’s gonna be great."

Wait. Apple already doesn't get a cut of Best Buy's sales made through Best Buy app because payment is made directly with Best Buy and not through Apple. The same goes for sales made through Amazon app, Starbucks app, etc.


Here's the text from the bill:

REQUIRE A DEVELOPER THAT IS DOMICILED IN THIS STATE TO USE A PARTICULAR IN-APPLICATION PAYMENT SYSTEM AS THE EXCLUSIVE MODE OF ACCEPTING PAYMENTS FROM A USER TO DOWNLOAD A SOFTWARE APPLICATION OR PURCHASE A DIGITAL OR PHYSICAL PRODUCT OR SERVICE THROUGH A SOFTWARE APPLICATION.
 
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It's a rather perverted situation actually.

This bill came into existence because lobbyists for the Chinese company TenCent who tries to interfere with US companies were paid for it. And it was blown out of the water because lobbyists for the companies under attack, Google and Apple, paid for other lobbyists opposing the bill. It seems to me that at no point in the whole process did any of the politicians actually consider what is good for their voters.
Usually I would be mad at hearing something undone by shady lobbying.

But in this case, the lobbying benefits Apple, so I am torn on my feelings./s
It's shady lobbying undone by more lobbying. TenCent hired lobbyists to get a bill with the intent to damage Apple and Google. Absolutely fine for Apple to strike back in the same way.
 
Since when are dev mandated to use the in-app purchase option?

a lot of apps I use don’t utilize apple’s payment system.
 
That really does sum things up well.

Apple will continue to fight this to protect their cash cow, but at some point I expect that the lobbying will fail (in one or more States in the US or another country and then spreading) and other app stores will be forced upon them.
And all other companies that have a similar business model. Apple might have to rework the structure to a AWS charge model. If they are not making the cost of running the infrastructure, they would just change the model or kill it off. I can't even begin to imagine what it costs to run however many exabytes of storage (hardware, electric, HVAC, engineering, etc) Servers are a 5 year lifespan.
 
It's a rather perverted situation actually.

This bill came into existence because lobbyists for the Chinese company TenCent who tries to interfere with US companies were paid for it. And it was blown out of the water because lobbyists for the companies under attack, Google and Apple, paid for other lobbyists opposing the bill. It seems to me that at no point in the whole process did any of the politicians actually consider what is good for their voters.
Could be since Tencent owns 20% of Epic?
 
In all honesty, yes the App Store is a lucrative business, but it has served as a good portal.

Assuming I were ever given the choice between the App Store or XYZ-store, I'd pick Apple's App Store. I value my privacy, and tight control. Yes, there is a chance devs have to fork over a 15% or 30% commission, but nothing is free. Developer tools require an input.

My $0.02
To add to your $0.02, Who says Apple watches your privacy? The fact they use your data to see how you use devices and sell you more products and content doesn’t give me any privacy. Furthermore, it is clear here that Apple paid enough politicians to remove this bill after it was going pretty well. Look how they modify iOS to help Russia...
 
You missed the joke completely! Politicians ... money can buy ... lobbying?

It’s unfortunate that many of our policies (including the AZ bill) can be made go away or become permanent depending on who puts more money on their side of the seesaw.
I think he got your joke just fine. His point was that in some other countries, politicians are WAY more corrupted by money than in the US.

You're comment seemed to imply the problem is uniquely bad in the US.
 
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Maybe. But the constitution says otherwise
Really? One of the few things for which Congress is exclusively responsible is interstate commerce. Given the ruling in Wickard vs. Fillburn, that held even a farmer’s use of his own crops, grown on his own land, to feed his own animals was a matter of interstate commerce, it is hard to argue that this bill is not.
 
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Lobbying = bribing.
Intense lobbying = intense bribing.
Thise who've got the money shape the laws

This take is completely myopic.

Lobbying is an important part of the political process. Members of a legislative body, whether it's at the state or federal level, are not experts on most things. Asking a random elected official to be well versed in health, tech, banking, agriculture, etc is just not practical. Most of them have the experience in whatever field they come from and while they try to learn on the fly, it's just not possible to be well versed at everything.

So lobbyist come in to the picture. For most things there are lobbyists for and lobbyists against. Some represent companies, some represent causes. At their core they are there to help educate elected officials and push for whatever side of whatever is being proposed they are on. Are some of them crooked? Sure. Just like there are crooked people in every profession. But there are transparency requirements in place, filings that are necessary to show where they are spending their money to do what they do. But they are not universally bribing people. They are not universally bad anymore than all lawyers, used car salesmen or anyone else in a profession that tends to have people looking down on them.
 
Yes, I agree with you. But this could could have serious ramifications across al business across the entire country. It could kill some companies and reduce others. The 30% is not simply a random fee, there is the cost of running the operation. They might have to switch to an AWS model....charge developers for amount of storage on servers and per MB of data up and down
The 30% is nothing to do with covering the cost of running the App Store any more than the 30% cut to Nintendo is for covering the cost of a plastic cartridge and printed sleeve. Those items are negligible expenses. The 30% is what you pay to access millions of Apple/Nintendo customers. Building those kinds of customer bases takes vast effort and years, if not decades of building trust, so the companies that put in that effort have every right to make a profit off of other business that want access.
 
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Usually I would be mad at hearing something undone by shady lobbying.
You mean a bill literally written by a lobbyist failed when other lobbyists pointed out its actual consequences
But in this case, the lobbying benefits Apple, so I am torn on my feelings./s
There is nothing wrong with lobbying (even the actions of the Coalition for App Fairness are fine). Lobbying is just the name we give for individuals or groups of individuals with shared interests, trying to influence legislation. It includes letter/eMail/phone campaigns by concerned people. Paid lobbyists represent companies (groups of share holders and employees), unions (groups of employees), trade organizations (groups of companies that are themselves groups of people), professional societies, like the ACM, AMA, IEEE, (groups of individuals) and interest organizations like Focus on the Family and the Sierra Club (groups of individual).

People join these organizations specifically to pursue shared interests and to have them best represented.
 
"The Senate chose to pull the bill "at the last minute" after a sudden loss of support."

Take That laws.

Every time a law goes against App store rules for potential changes in a given country/state its always "all over for Apple"

Why can''t countries think on their own for once in their life instead of following what others do... Even Apple fears that.. I dunno why. It seems pretty easy enough to just go your own way and ignore.


Just because one country says jump, doesn't mean ever other country follows. Branded as "left out" but at least we are not all playing in the same field. Perhaps they know they are missing out of something ...

As if . :p
 
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No, it should be decided by consumers making the choice between Apple which offers one option and Android which offers the other.
Imagine that you lived in a town where there was only one grocery store, from one company. Whenever people say there should be more grocery stores, you tell them to move to a different town where there are multiple stores. You say people should have the choice to live in a town where there's one store, because it reduces the risk of people buying low quality or even poisoned food.

Ask yourself honestly: could or should such a town exist in the USA? And more importantly, is such a town normal in any way? Would it not make much, much more sense to simply chose to use that one store if you trust it so much, regardless of how many other stores are in town?
 
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the problem with the avoidance of fees for in-app purchases would be that developers would make everything free, and activate full features with in-app purchase. Apple would have no reason to continue hosting the App Store then.
 
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