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Arrggh!! 1.67GHz PB vs 2GHz Black MacBook!

What pro apps do you want to run. Sorry if I missed this in a earlier post. I ask because there are only a few that benefit from the better video card in the PPC book. I mostly always recommend newer systems that are as maxed out as possible. Go with the Intel book and sell it when you have to after having saved enough cash to get a new machine with whatever new technology gets your juices flowing in a year or three.
 
onthat said:
I believe he decided on the CD MacBook
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Yeah, he did, and he has thankfully understood that, even though it's a Rev A model, it comes with a 12 month warranty, so, if it does anything evil (like mooing, shutting down without provocation, overheating to the point of dysfunction or nasty screen flickering), he can send it straight back. He's still a little afraid of the Intel monster inhabiting his computer, but he will cope. What the heck am I talking in 3rd person for? No more beer with candy floss! Period!
 
failsafe1 said:
What pro apps do you want to run. Sorry if I missed this in a earlier post. I ask because there are only a few that benefit from the better video card in the PPC book. I mostly always recommend newer systems that are as maxed out as possible. Go with the Intel book and sell it when you have to after having saved enough cash to get a new machine with whatever new technology gets your juices flowing in a year or three.
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Now there's some good questions! Let's see... Pro apps would include mostly iLife and iWork...not sure you'd call them pro apps though, but iMovie and iDVD do require some major processing power. I also use Mac the Ripper and Handbrake/MediaFork. Oh, and GraphicConverter. I did have Photoshop, but it only ran in OS 9. I guess you could say that I will try and get whatever I want done for the cheapest price possible! Work (whatever that will be) will also largely determine what programs I get, but it seemed to me that the MacBook was pretty fast and compact for the money. But your idea to save for a while, then sell the MacBook to trade up is an excellent one. So is maxing out the RAM! Thanks for your insightful post!
 
jburrows500 said:
Buy neither and watch as Tuesday passes.. Come Wednesday you may learn why he pressured you to buy on Tuesday.. Two things are likely to happen.. you'll find your options are broader, or you'll see your salesman coming back to you to see if you changed your mind... Remember.. a good salesman knows selling is 50% emotion.. don't fall prey to it.. there is ALWAYS another deal just as good as the once in a lifetime deal of today... especially in technology where prices never go up, but always fall.... Teach him a lesson either way and tell him you have been a good customer of 7 years and don't appreciate his pressure tactics.. offer him 50 less than what he was asking.. if he balks.. find another johnny apple man..
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Hey, I'd forgotten about that! The 20th! I think I'm a bit late because I've already confirmed that I would buy the MacBook from him, and, I don't think they'll be releasing another MacBook iteration tomorrow...maybe one of those tiny little MacBook Pros with no optical drive, but, of course, I could be wrong. Apple aka Steve Jobs is all but predictable.
 
Just Ordered PowerBkG4 1.67GHz,15.2" Rev5

MooBoo, my order is for a factory refurb, no taxes or shipping and eritech also has refurb. macbook core2duo. I know the mac book core2duo will give u cpu power u need and i read somewhere it runs cooler than core duo.
 
Take the PowerBook

The PowerBook is the only way to go. Would you rather have a used BMW or a new Hyundai?
 
autolist4u said:
The PowerBook is the only way to go. Would you rather have a used BMW or a new Hyundai?
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you've got to be kidding me. i would hardly liken the macbook to a hyundai. even still, it's like your bmw is behind on the times by a couple decades. it's slower, less energy efficient, and it just does less overall. it may still be pretty to look at, but that's pretty much it.
 
emac82 said:
.....and I believe this model is using ddr2 ram (so basically same speed as macbook).....
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It has DDR2 RAM but is NOT running at DDR2 speed and is still running at 333MHz i think it was. DDR2 is only there to maximize battery life as it consumes less power.
 
daneoni said:
It has DDR2 RAM but is NOT running at DDR2 speed and is still running at 333MHz i think it was. DDR2 is only there to maximize battery life as it consumes less power.
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Do you know what you are talking about? it is working at 533MHz, not 333, and it has nothing to do with battery life.

I seriously hope you are joking.
 
Get a MacBook.

I had a 1.67 Ghz PowerBook G4 only a week ago and it wasn't fast enough for me. I went with a MacBook Pro. I not only got a VERY speedy laptop, I also future-proofed myself. We all know Intel is the future, so why live in the past?

Now I have a Dual-Booting MacBook Pro (Windows for Games and Avid Xpress Pro, then OSX for serious business).
 
There is no reason to consider the PB under any circumstances, if budget is a concern get a 1.83ghz Macbook Pro.

If you want to look like some cool trendy dude on a budget... well you are just a loser, sorry to say.

A Macbook is a much more practical and functional choice, it is just so much faster.
 
Core Duo vs. Core 2 Duo

There is significant spd difference between mac book pro core duo and mac book pro Core2Duo, But Not between Power Book G4, 1.67GHz, 15.2" Rev5 vs. Mac Book Pro Core Duo. The speed increase surely does not replace graphic production quality. Speed differences are limited by fsb capabilities and pushed more by gamers and movie and video production. I can definitely live w/o 1-2min. speed improvements for that cost $1000. LOL;) I live happily w/ PC100 FSB for 5yrs without crashes or system failures can't wait to see what my Mac G4 will do? LOL Its my first Mac.
 
The speed difference between a 1.67ghz G4 and any CoreDuo is so significant. In Logic Pro, a 1.67ghz G4 might run 2 or 3 instances of Sculpture. A 1.83ghz Macbook with 512MB RAM ran 16 instances. For Logic, a G4 is incredibly weak. I couldn't get through 3-4 softsynth tracks (each with a couple effect plugins) without freezing on my 1.67ghz 17" PB. I've yet to freeze any tracks on my old Macbook or my new MBP. And Logic is a very CPU-efficient program.
 
no doubt

Even as someone who is going to try to sell a G4 powerbook, go for any Intel macbook. They run circles around a G4 powerbook, even a Macbook with less RAM.
 
Yehh! PowerBook G Just Arrived!!!

Yahoooo!!! Its Christmas :) I was online ordering a nikon d40 when this beautiful sleek, Power Book G4, 1.67Ghz,15.2", 512mb, DDR2 PC2-4200 Sdram, ATI9700 (128MB ddr) rolled upto my door. Its refurbished but its just like new, not one scratch. What a beautiful machine it will partner well w/ my first little entry level D40. I'm just setting the G up and its running beautiful. I am on my windows PC right now.LOL The keyboard is awsome I just have to touch the keys, used to my hard PC key board and 2000 HP Laptop. Well just wanted to share my delight w/all u who helped me decide. Have to go and order some ram for my G :)
 
onthat said:
wrong on that one, the intel line runs software which is literally "universal" the PowerBook will run them as readily as the MacBook.

I was faced with a similar decision a while back, and decided to take the refurb PowerBook for 1349.99 over a CD MacBook.

Bear in mind that these are simply opinions based on my hands-on experience with these products. again, YOU ARE NOT REQUIRED TO READ ANY OF THIS!

Neither:
-support 64 bit architecture.
-offer impressive gaming capabilities.

PowerBook: (perfectly capable machine despite what anyone tells you)
-perfect display for watching DVD video and editing all forms of media.
-better case design and MUCH lower case temperature.
-speakers provide the best sound quality on the market.
-backlit keys are just sexy/keyboard is more comfortable to use.
-Firewire 800.
-wireless reception is ****.
-capable of running 7200rpm HDD.
-runs Adobe CS2 and Macromedia Studio 8 like a beast.

MacBook CD: (I stand by my decision not to purchase this system)
-worst modern display I've seen (not claiming to have seen them all) for that price range, though very bright.
-weak camera that you'll never use, unless you happen to be a webcam girl. (yes I realize it was developed for video conferencing:p )
-can only support 5400rpm HDD or lower, which is lame.
-keys are not backlit, keyboard could be described as "usable."
-capable of running windows xp. *gags*
-capable of running windows vista...kinda
-speakers are nothing to fuss about, placement is a bit strange as well.
-WILL run hotter than your average laptop.
-larger trackpad surface, which could be considered an improvement in some loose sense of the term.
-magsafe is a novel idea.
-no worthwhile Firewire ports.
-remote is useless for a laptop of this size, when will you ever watch a movie from more than arms length of this computer?
-wireless reception is above par.
-case feels flimsy and you could practically use the edges near your wrists to commit suicide.
-doesn't perform well in CS2 or Studio 8.
-performance in CS3 will rival that of the PowerBook in CS2.

MacBook C2D: (At a similar price, you'd be an idiot not to purchase one)
-supports 64 bit architecture:D
-disregard any negative comments (regarding performance) above.
-wireless reception is unreal.
-case seems sturdier.
-WILL run cooler than your average laptop.
-very capable of running windows vista.
-most other negative comments still stand.
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First of all, let me state that I greatly dislike the MacBook, and am a PowerBook user myself, but some of your points are completely wrong...

First off, just because the intel apps are "Univseral Binary" now, that doesn't mean they always will. Some developers have already decided to stop making builds in the PPC binary (I know, I am sad too.) Second, you state that the camera is terrible on the MacBook, and I will admit, the external FW iSight is much better - but the built in one is pretty damn good as far as they go compared to most USB models, and the built in ones on computers such as Sony Vaios. How can you consider the large trackpad bad? It is such an improvement (at least over the one on my 12" PB.) Concerning FireWire - most consumers do not utilize FireWire 800, or 400 for that matter so that is not a fair arguement. As far as performance goes, the MB will blow the PowerBook away when CS3 comes out!!!

And the MacBook certainly can utilize a 7200 RPM HD, it just isn't a built to order option from Apple.

...get yours facts straight.
-Brad
 
nightsky said:
Yahoooo!!! Its Christmas :) I was online ordering a nikon d40 when this beautiful sleek, Power Book G4, 1.67Ghz,15.2", 512mb, DDR2 PC2-4200 Sdram, ATI9700 (128MB ddr) rolled upto my door. Its refurbished but its just like new, not one scratch. What a beautiful machine it will partner well w/ my first little entry level D40. I'm just setting the G up and its running beautiful. I am on my windows PC right now.LOL The keyboard is awsome I just have to touch the keys, used to my hard PC key board and 2000 HP Laptop. Well just wanted to share my delight w/all u who helped me decide. Have to go and order some ram for my G :)
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I think I would have payed the extra $200, and gotten a significantly faster, and all around more future proof machine. 2.0ghz MBP's can be had for $1349 at the Apple refurb store. To each his own I presume. Hope you enjoy your computer, and welcome to the Mac family. :)
 
This thread is like a big joke... Do some of you really believe that a 1.67GHz single core G4 will beat a 2GHz dual core Core Duo? The Core Duo is approximately as fast (faster?) at the same frequency as the G4. So, we've got two cores where each one is some 20% faster than the single G4 in the PowerBook. Who'd choose the G4 except the most rabid of PPC fanboys? :confused:

nightsky said:
I do not need a mac to play games on so that is not an issue. I find myself comparing Mac Book 2.0 13" C2D to the Power Book G4 1.67ghz and although mac book is faster its video card is mediocre according to Mac World. I need a graphic design and print production machine. I can buy either machine refurbished for 1000. - 11230. The screen size and graphic out put are very important for production to me and mac book pro 15 is out of reach. Guess I will go with older but proven graphic production of Power Book G4 1.67ghz 15"
I am not interested in windows programs since I do not plan to ever buy Windows XP or Vista unless I am forced to for working. My windows98se home built pc is going strong since 2000, 2001 :) And no I am not an Apple fan either this will be my first mac.
Onthat, thanks to all the objective info on mac really helped me decide, combined w/ mac worlds' reviews and bench marks. Where did you buy your G4?
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I hope you're not having any delusions that the G4 will come anywhere close to the C2D machine, even in your design apps. The slower graphics in the Mac Book will probably have zero impact on all of your applications, since they're most likely to carry out all their calculations on the CPU. In which case the G4 basically sucks compared to the C2D.
 
Core Duo vs Core2 Duo

Everyone refers to the core duo w/o distinction between core2 duo and core duo. Of coure Mac Book Pro Core2 Duo will out perform Power Book G4, 1.67Ghz
Rev5. so would the mac book pro duo core. But the Mac Book Pro Core2 Duo was not an option. The option was between the power book sited and mac books and speed was not the deciding factor. As far as technical specs go, by all means the core duo should out perform the power book G4's processor speed but in real life application that was not the results for Photo shop and definately not the case for mac book 13" core duo. As for the mac book pro core duo's going price was no where near $1300. for a refurb.. If the information regarding performance specs were incorrect than then the culprit is Mac World's reviewers.
 
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