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Astronomers:Any theories on this weird Helioviewer.org clip?

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On a slightly side issue .... I was really puzzled by two people making this comment on my OP.

Scepticalscribe said:
However, on the matter of the link, I am with @aaronvan; I will not watch a link of any description unless there is a heading, or a prompt, as to why I should do so.
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Is this a common thing on MacRumors? ...... Obviously it is, because I've noticed well over 4,500 people have viewed this thread ...... yet less than 200 have viewed the source video on Youtube ..... Bizarre!

People will click on a thread ..... but not a link that explains clearly exactly what the thread is about? ...... and what the forthcoming discussion will be about?? Strange.

The OP shows a link, allegedly posted to Stephen Hawking, describing a 'weird' video recorded of a strange event on Helioviewer.org (which you can easily Google, if you don't know what that is) which might show there is something close to the Sun that could be exerting "intelligent control" ........ and that wasn't enough to 'pique the interest' of a good 4,000+ people to click on the link ..... even though it clearly stated ....

..... there were No Ads on the clip ?? So it wasn't a commercial to generate revenue on Youtube.

..... it clearly wasn't porn of any type.

..... and you all have virus software and warning software for unreliable sites and links?

Yet you still didn't just throw caution to the wind in a reckless moment of hedonistic irresponsibility and 'click on the link' !

That is pretty unbelievable to be honest.

Mmmmm ..... I think we have a problem, Huston ...... on a large scale ...... A possibly "paranoid psychological fear of the unknown" surfing the Internet!

Me? I treat the Internet as the greatest knowledge database created by our Humanity .... something I'm incredibly lucky to have at my fingertips for a few pence/cents a day ..... ok, it can be a Pandora's Box at times ..... but if you have virus/warning software, you can dodge the worst sites.

Consequently I have dived in recklessly ALL over the Internet over the last 5 years and followed links like Ariadne's Thread into the darkest depths and into all the lighted corners under the Sun and beyond ..... I am learning as I go along ..... and I suggest you ALL cast off your strange 'reservations' ...... and do the same ...... it has been a bizarre, often mind-blowing experience ..... which has totally changed my life. (from being 'irritating' to 'totally unbearable' I can hear some of you say!) :D

Maybe it will change yours too ..... .... and hopefully into someone more tolerant to some of the responses I had earlier in this thread!;)

P.S. A serious word of warning .... beware ..... don't go in too deep into the 'dark' side of the Internet ..... for like Pandora's Box ..... it can be quite difficult to emerge without being quite badly 'mentally scarred' by the experience.
(Guess there will be some on here who will say that my 'scarring' seems worse than average!) :D

Throughout history, artists and philosophers, who have had insight into knowledge + so called 'revelations', and depicted 'heaven and hell' in their work ..... have sometimes been driven close to madness by the experience.
Van Gogh, Goya, etc etc .... too many to mention .... you get my point.

The Internet is such a powerful source of all known knowledge ..... that unless you are mentally very strong .... sometimes you can struggle to come to terms with this power.

P.P.S. Because of the points made above ..... if you have children ..... be aware about rationing the time they spend on the Internet .... it is a VERY addictive place ..... and try and monitor occasionally what they view, to help steer them away from long term exposure to damaging content ...... to avoid possible psychological problems in the future.

Er.... I digress .... back to the thread.
 
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Dubdrifter said:
On a slightly side issue .... I was really puzzled by two people making this comment on my OP.



Is this a common thing on MacRumors? ...... Obviously it is, because I've noticed well over 4,500 people have viewed this thread ...... yet less than 200 have viewed the source video on Youtube ..... Bizarre!

People will click on a thread ..... but not a link that explains clearly exactly what the thread is about? ...... and what the forthcoming discussion will be about?? Strange.

The OP shows a link, allegedly posted to Stephen Hawking, describing a 'weird' video recorded of a strange event on Helioviewer.org (which you can easily Google, if you don't know what that is) which might show there is something close to the Sun that could be exerting "intelligent control" ........ and that wasn't enough to 'pique the interest' of a good 4,000+ people to click on the link ..... even though it clearly stated ....

..... there were No Ads on the clip ?? So it wasn't a commercial to generate revenue on Youtube.

..... it clearly wasn't porn of any type.

..... and you all have virus software and warning software for unreliable sites and links?

Yet you still didn't just throw caution to the wind in a reckless moment of hedonistic irresponsibility and 'click on the link' !

That is pretty unbelievable to be honest.

Mmmmm ..... I think we have a problem, Huston ...... on a large scale ...... A possibly "paranoid psychological fear of the unknown" surfing the Internet!

Me? I treat the Internet as the greatest knowledge database created by our Humanity .... something I'm incredibly lucky to have at my fingertips for a few pence/cents a day ..... ok, it can be a Pandora's Box at times ..... but if you have virus/warning software, you can dodge the worst sites.

Consequently I have dived in recklessly ALL over the Internet over the last 5 years and followed links like Ariadne's Thread into the darkest depths and into all the lighted corners under the Sun and beyond ..... I am learning as I go along ..... and I suggest you ALL cast off your strange 'reservations' ...... and do the same ...... it has been a bizarre, often mind-blowing experience ..... which has totally changed my life. (from being 'irritating' to 'totally unbearable' I can hear some of you say!) :D

Maybe it will change yours too ..... .... and hopefully into someone more tolerant to some of the responses I had earlier in this thread!;)

P.S. A serious word of warning .... beware ..... don't go in too deep into the 'dark' side of the Internet ..... for like Pandora's Box ..... it can be quite difficult to emerge without being quite badly 'mentally scarred' by the experience.
(Guess there will be some on here who will say that my 'scarring' seems worse than average!) :D

Throughout history, artists and philosophers, who have had insight into knowledge + so called 'revelations', and depicted 'heaven and hell' in their work ..... have sometimes been driven close to madness by the experience.
Van Gogh, Goya, etc etc .... too many to mention .... you get my point.

The Internet is such a powerful source of all known knowledge ..... that unless you are mentally very strong .... sometimes you can struggle to come to terms with this power.

P.P.S. Because of the points made above ..... if you have children ..... be aware about rationing the time they spend on the Internet .... it is a VERY addictive place ..... and try and monitor occasionally what they view, to help steer them away from long term exposure to damaging content ...... to avoid possible psychological problems in the future.

Er.... I digress .... back to the thread.
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Look. This is true second time you have alluded to this, and you clearly find it incomprehensible that people will not click on a link that does not inform them what it is about.

Firstly, I value my time, and I don't like time-wasters. A video link which demands to be viewed and does not tell me why I should do so, is a nuisance, not an enticement, and is therefore something I ignore.

Something which wishes me to take it seriously will tell me what it is about, after which I will click on it if I am interested.

Secondly, there is the question of etiquette: You are the person starting a thread, and seeking information. You tell people what you are about and why you would like their opinions; you do not try to tease them into compliance, or have them dance to answering a question on your terms. They are showing you courtesy and and doing you a favour by responding and taking the time to answer; they don't owe you anything.

Thirdly, I wear glasses, and dislike media that are primarily visual; I rarely watch TV and hardly ever visit the cinema. You want my attention: Use words. You want my time: Ask nicely.

You come across as incredibly judgemental, and immature and entitled, to be honest. There is no 'psychological problem'. It is just that I wish to check out what it is I am to look at before I take a closer look. That is called rationing your time, and making sure that you are interested in what you are looking at.

And, it doesn't matter if the link is neither porn, nor an ad, nor a virus (all of which we have all stumbled over). You started the thread. Therefore, it is your task to make access to what you wish to discuss as easy and uncomplicated and respectful of other peoples's time as possible.

You have to ask yourself what you really want from such an exchange: If you want to share wonder, try a heading which expressers your wonder - the thread which discusses the recent Pluto fly-by manages to do that quite well, and anyone choosing to click on it knows exactly what it is about before they alight on it.

And, if you wish to start an serious discussion, I suggest that you try to come across as someone who wants to have a serious discussion.

However, if you want to tease and tantalise, go elsewhere.

Perhaps, some of us engage in what might be seen as a more a focussed and directed surfing than the random sort you seem to revel in. What I don't get is the judgemental attitude, something I find quite common in teenagers. Do what you like to do, and good luck to you; try not to condemn others for not choosing to be carbon copies of your mental landscape.

For what it is worth, I'm an avid reader, but I'd never buy a book based on the cover, or, on a whim. I buy it because I want to read it, whether fact or fiction, and before I buy, I read the blurb, and perhaps the first chapter, and sometimes check out the author as well.
 
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Dubdrifter, have you explored any of the links I gave you?

Foleor gave you a good explanation -- did you explore that?

I won't be interested in reading any of your postings until you give evidence that you have.

Otherwise you're wasting all our time, and whether you realize it or not, you're confirming that you're one of those people like the seismic data crowd I mentioned days ago. Either you're going to take this matter seriously, or you're going to be going on and on about your favorite conspiracy theories. So far, it's the latter and I don't think anybody here is interested in that.

I didn't bother playing the video either. Want to know why? "tweeted this link to Steven Hawking, invited comment" is why. I wonder whether you understand how strongly that sends the message "all's not well here."
 
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Video needs to be either
1) 10 seconds long with all that information summarized
or
2) Have major space battle with explosions and sounds of the aliens on the comm system demanding we lower our shields and prepare to be boarded.
 
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Video needs to be either
1) 10 seconds long with all that information summarized
or
2) Have major space battle with explosions and sounds of the aliens on the comm system demanding we lower our shields and prepare to be boarded.
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No. It just needs a header, or accompanying sentence telling potential viewers what it is supposed to be about.
 
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Dubdrifter, have you explored any of the links I gave you?

Foleor gave you a good explanation -- did you explore that?

I won't be interested in reading any of your postings until you give evidence that you have.

Otherwise you're wasting all our time, and whether you realize it or not, you're confirming that you're one of those people like the seismic data crowd I mentioned days ago. Either you're going to take this matter seriously, or you're going to be going on and on about your favorite conspiracy theories. So far, it's the latter and I don't think anybody here is interested in that.

I didn't bother playing the video either. Want to know why? "tweeted this link to Steven Hawking, invited comment" is why. I wonder whether you understand how strongly that sends the message "all's not well here."
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Monokakata - I was very grateful for your links and taking the time to respond in that way with quality information ..... and I expressed that with thanks.

On the other issue:

Yes, I clicked on all the links and saved them to my Science/Space Bookmarks folder ..... to be explored in more detail individually later ..... I was about to send an e-mail with a link to the clip to the Berkeley site as you recommended ..... but Foleor responded almost immediately, with a very reasonable explanation which I thought ticked a lot of the boxes relevant to the clip ..... he appears to be a very busy researcher, obviously pretty experienced in the field.

He managed to find 8 minutes in his busy schedule, probably much longer to study it in detail, and responded very comprehensively, for which I am very grateful.

He was one of the few on here who picked up on the fact that I was after a serious answer ...... if it was good enough for an expert in the field ..... why wasn't it good enough for the rest of you??

Stephen Hawking's name wasn't 'just a teaser', but was mean't to convey I was serious ..... I'm presuming he is still well regarded in the field???
I thought there was enough info for people to 'dive in' ...... if you lot aren't adventurous enough to do that ..... maybe that's why he is at the cutting edge of his field investigating the unknown elements of space ...... and you 'moaners' are on here 'whining' I didn't give you a 'smidgen more info' to get you 'interested'.

Sorry to be so blunt but really, how much bib wiping do you guys need as you go through life?

And you call me a teenager? ..... the sad thing is ..... I'm wasting my precious time responding to this, instead of moving the debate on a bit ...... and the 8 minutes you've obviously spent debating THIS could have been spent viewing the clip and moving the debate on a bit also ......so obviously your time isn't quite as precious as you are all claiming it is!

So, shall we move the debate on a bit in a more interesting direction? .....
 
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Monokakata - I was very grateful for your links and taking the time to respond in that way with quality information ..... and I expressed that with thanks.

On the other issue:

Yes, I clicked on all the links and saved them to my Science/Space Bookmarks folder ..... to be explored in more detail individually later ..... I was about to send an e-mail with a link to the clip to the Berkeley site as you recommended ..... but Foleor responded almost immediately, with a very reasonable explanation which I thought ticked a lot of the boxes relevant to the clip ..... he appears to be a very busy researcher, obviously pretty experienced in the field.

He managed to find 8 minutes in his busy schedule, probably much longer to study it in detail, and responded very comprehensively, for which I am very grateful.

He was one of the few on here who picked up on the fact that I was after a serious answer ...... if it was good enough for an expert in the field ..... why wasn't it good enough for the rest of you??

Stephen Hawking's name wasn't 'just a teaser', but was mean't to convey I was serious ..... I'm presuming he is still well regarded in the field???
I thought there was enough info for people to 'dive in' ...... if you lot aren't adventurous enough to do that ..... maybe that's why he is at the cutting edge of his field investigating the unknown elements of space ...... and you 'moaners' are on here 'whining' I didn't give you a 'smidgen more info' to get you 'interested'.

Sorry to be so blunt but really, how much bib wiping do you guys need as you go through life?

And you call me a teenager? ..... the sad thing is ..... I'm wasting my precious time responding to this, instead of moving the debate on a bit ...... and the 8 minutes you've obviously spent debating THIS could have been spent viewing the clip and moving the debate on a bit also ......so obviously your time isn't quite as precious as you are all claiming it is!

So, shall we move the debate on a bit in a more interesting direction? .....
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Your sense of entitlement, arrogance, ignorance and online ill-manners are actually quite breath-taking.

You appear to have no idea how to respectfully ask for help, or advice, and have now made three posts (which outnumber your initial post on the subject matter of the thread) which take issue with the fact that few wished to engage with you on your terms.

Instead of taking issue with the fact that few people wished to waste their time to watch a clip which was not labelled properly, and which invited intellectual disdain with the idiotic reference to having tweeted it to Stephen Hawking, why not start a serious thread, with a properly titled video clip?

Instead of insulting those who have replied to you, - as you have now done over a number of posts - why not think about and write about what you want to have discussed? Instead of reference to deluded conspiracy theories written in a breathless and uninviting syntax, why not ask a thoughtful question?

Many of those who have joined this site are scientists - professionals in the field; many more have an interest in science and technology. However, in order to attract a serious response, it is a good idea to frame your question in terms which might invite such a serious response.

There are no shortage of interesting threads on scientific matters in these fora. I have mentioned that lovely thread on the recent fly-by of Pluto as an example of a thread which is exciting, interesting and one which allows people to share a sense of awe and wonder at what has been learned as a result of the fly-past. But that thread title is self-explanatory. As yours should have been.
 
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Sceptical scribe: You will find most answers to your points in the OP and most of my other posts. Feel like we are going in circles here. .... In addition:

The Heading of the OP (yes, it did have one) was "Astronomers ..... Any theories on this weird Helioviewer clip?"

There is the invitation to 'discuss' the clip.

The title on the Helioviewer video said: "UFO near Sun exhibiting 'Intelligent Control', running to Earth clock time?"

Most Astronomers know what Helioviewer.org is. And what data is there. For others, it's not hard to Google if you are in the dark.

If people can't understand what is going on in those two sentences in the OP ..... then I'm afraid I don't think they are going to add much to the debate ... do you?

Aaronvan certainly confirmed that point ..... not his finest hour on MacRumors ...... no wonder he tried to get the thread consigned to the Wasteland.

Thought that was where they consign threads with NO serious content ..... 3 contributions were well worth the read.

Strange you didn't think it was "ill mannered" for people to try and ridicule the thread with comments about Chewbacca, Bigfoot and that 'Alien' link .....

One other thing, Stephen Hawking being tweeted the 'link' I don't regard as 'idiotic' ..... why did you say that? If you look at his Twitter feed, he has a lot of astronomy stuff on there. He's a serious figure in astronomy and I'm still hoping for a response. Seriously ..... if you don't ask ..... you don't get ..... and if you are seriously looking for an answer .... people of calibre may spend the time to give you a comprehensive explanation ..... which experienced astronomer, Foleor did. Thanks again.

So result! Maybe my approach wasn't so bad after all.

No harm in getting further views from other sources Monokakata provided. Always more questions to answer in this fascinating field.

With that in mind, does this photo from Helioviewer show a 'cosmic ray event' as described by Foleor or something more unusual?

Anyone care to comment? ..... Description: Clip from Helioviewer showing large 'artifact' close to Sun's surface. P.S. If you don't look, you won't 'see'.

 
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OP you came to a macrumors looking for serious support or discussion regarding someone's video speculation of something they can't fully make out and get annoyed when the discussion doesn't go how you want. You didn't take this to a site dedicated to astronomy and astrophysics but you posted here on a site that while it could have a few astronomers and astrophysicists as well as a few other actual scientists, the chances of one of them actually seeing this thread are slim to none. Either you didn't really think about that aspect or you're truly not looking for those type of people and instead looking for those to support your views that it's 'alien life'.

The videos don't provide enough information to make a proper informed opinion, specially one that leans towards alien life. There are far too many variables at play here and its clear you have a already formed opinion on the subject, which suggests that you're really not looking for opinions but validation.
 
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Listen up people! ..... When you are on a Dubdrifter thread ..... which is asking for a technical comment from Astronomers who might happen to be passing ..... in a light hearted break time from their more serious research ..... and you are not an Astronomer with anything to add to the debate ...... but just want to chip in with incessant stupid comments ...... please bring your 'A' Game ..... because otherwise ..... you will probably be the one who ends up looking slightly stupid ..... and wind up getting 'burnt'.

Contrary to popular belief, I try and be polite, forthright, straight forward, and cut to the chase ..... if you can't handle that ..... there are plenty of other threads on this forum ..... please, please go there! :eek:

People who 'dish it out' and make stupid comments to derail a thread are an irritating kind of 'cyber bully' ..... but they exist and it comes with the forum territory [though not nearly so much on MacRumors] ...... I understand that ..... the worst examples of this are on Youtube where the comments section can be a very humorous 'diversion' ..... but also a viper's pit where derailing the thread gets 'out of hand' and becomes an 'agenda' for some.

Certain subjects attract these types of 'cyber bully' ..... discussing the idea there might be a far superior civilisation out there is one of those subjects ..... maybe these 'bullies' have religious leanings and it makes them insecure? ..... who knows? ..... another time another thread.

All the people whining most on here, Monokakata apart, have contributed practically zero to the debate ..... so ask yourself ..... why are they here?

Please move on and be 'annoying' on another thread ..... or stick around and be annoyed and subjected to my uncharacteristic "Arrogance, Ill-manners and Ignorance" ..... which you wouldn't have seen if you hadn't exhibited it first.

P.S. If you have a humorous comment to make on my thread ..... don't get the wrong impression from this post ...... if it's funny ..... pitch it .... I do have a wicked sense of humour. (Just make sure it's 'funny' funny ..... and not "let's ridicule the poster and derail the thread" funny ..... yes, I know it's a fine line ..... )

Bearing all that in mind ..... T-shirt manufacturers ..... New slogan ..... On the front ..... "I was 'burnt' by the 'Drifter" ..... on the back ..... "my other hobby is S+M" Retail at $20 p+p ..... There are a few candidates on here who should own one.

P.P.S. No I won't ..... buy your own.

Don't worry boys, you're in exalted company ...... in the last 6 months, on various forums around the world .... the EU, UK Prime Minister Cameron, the Fracking Industry, Rupert Murdoch/SKY, the BBC, MI5/GCHQ, ISIS, Fundamentalist Religions around the World, and Shadow Governments have had slightly negative comments and been verbally 'burnt' by the 'Drifter .... it hasn't made any difference to how they rule their empires ..... but it gets it off my chest! :D

The therapy of Forums .... ah! .... don't you love it!? ......

And they thought I was 'arrogant' before ..... barely warmed up! ..... no, seriously folks ..... don't mistake being self-assured for 'arrogance' - or tongue-in-cheek putdown humour for the same. Yes, It's a fine line ..... guess I've crossed it .... and steam rollered over it to .... so I get what I deserve!:D

[I dedicate this post to all the thousands who have viewed this thread ...... haven't clicked on the 'clip' ....... and are obviously just here for the cheeky banter ..... and any other 'cat fight' that ensues!] :cool:

You sure you want this stuff in the Wasteland??

P.P.P.S Was that 'breath-taking enough for you Sceptical scribe?
 
Dubdrifter said:
Listen up people! ..... When you are on a Dubdrifter thread ..... which is asking for a technical comment from Astronomers who might happen to be passing ..... in a light hearted break time from their more serious research ..... and you are not an Astronomer with anything to add to the debate ...... but just want to chip in with incessant stupid comments ...... please bring your 'A' Game ..... because otherwise ..... you will probably be the one who ends up looking slightly stupid ..... and wind up getting 'burnt'.

Contrary to popular belief, I try and be polite, forthright, straight forward, and cut to the chase ..... if you can't handle that ..... there are plenty of other threads on this forum ..... please, please go there! :eek:

People who 'dish it out' and make stupid comments to derail a thread are an irritating kind of 'cyber bully' ..... but they exist and it comes with the forum territory [though not nearly so much on MacRumors] ...... I understand that ..... the worst examples of this are on Youtube where the comments section can be a very humorous 'diversion' ..... but also a viper's pit where derailing the thread gets 'out of hand' and becomes an 'agenda' for some.

Certain subjects attract these types of 'cyber bully' ..... discussing the idea there might be a far superior civilisation out there is one of those subjects ..... maybe these 'bullies' have religious leanings and it makes them insecure? ..... who knows? ..... another time another thread.

All the people whining most on here, Monokakata apart, have contributed practically zero to the debate ..... so ask yourself ..... why are they here?

Please move on and be 'annoying' on another thread ..... or stick around and be annoyed and subjected to my uncharacteristic "Arrogance, Ill-manners and Ignorance" ..... which you wouldn't have seen if you hadn't exhibited it first.

P.S. If you have a humorous comment to make on my thread ..... don't get the wrong impression from this post ...... if it's funny ..... pitch it .... I do have a wicked sense of humour. (Just make sure it's 'funny' funny ..... and not "let's ridicule the poster and derail the thread" funny ..... yes, I know it's a fine line ..... )

Bearing all that in mind ..... T-shirt manufacturers ..... New slogan ..... On the front ..... "I was 'burnt' by the 'Drifter" ..... on the back ..... "my other hobby is S+M" Retail at $20 p+p ..... There are a few candidates on here who should own one.

P.P.S. No I won't ..... buy your own.

Don't worry boys, you're in exalted company ...... in the last 6 months, on various forums around the world .... the EU, UK Prime Minister Cameron, the Fracking Industry, Rupert Murdoch/SKY, the BBC, MI5/GCHQ, ISIS, Fundamentalist Religions around the World, and Shadow Governments have had slightly negative comments and been verbally 'burnt' by the 'Drifter .... it hasn't made any difference to how they rule their empires ..... but it gets it off my chest! :D

The therapy of Forums .... ah! .... don't you love it!? ......

And they thought I was 'arrogant' before ..... barely warmed up! ..... no, seriously folks ..... don't mistake being self-assured for 'arrogance' - or tongue-in-cheek putdown humour for the same. Yes, It's a fine line ..... guess I've crossed it .... and steam rollered over it to .... so I get what I deserve!:D

[I dedicate this post to all the thousands who have viewed this thread ...... haven't clicked on the 'clip' ....... and are obviously just here for the cheeky banter ..... and any other 'cat fight' that ensues!] :cool:

You sure you want this stuff in the Wasteland??

P.P.P.S Was that 'breath-taking enough for you Sceptical scribe?
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No.

Poorly written and articulated, as usual. What are you trying to say apart from the usual 'I am great and you are fools, and if you disagree with me you are an idiot and a cyberbully because you won't respond to a thread I started in a way that I want'?

Your thread is about yourself, not astronomy, or a journey of the mind and imagination. Nowhere have you demonstrated any sort of intellectual curiosity - salivating over deluded conspiracy theories doesn't count - or any reason to wish to engage with you.

I am not interested in being on a 'Dubdrifter thread' which serves as a vehicle for its creator to discuss his marvellous self and his fantastic take on the universe while berating others who clearly decline and refuse to take him at his own estimation.

However, I am more than a little surprised at the fact that you still clearly prefer discussing yourself, and condemning others, while pretending to discuss astronomy. Have you anything to say about any of @monokakata's links?

You have received a perfectly good - and credible - explanation for the phenomena you posted about.

There are other threads on the firm which discuss astronomy with insight and mutual respect, in a way that make reading them, and adding to them a pure, unalloyed pleasure. However, your thread does not fall into this category.

I'll say it again. Your posts, (and your thread) come off as arrogant, entitled, aggressive, rude and - frankly - intellectually half-baked. You may play the starring role in your own thread, but I'll wager that many of the rest of us will be giving them a wide berth in future

If you wish people to engage with you seriously, explain in your thread title what it is you wish to discuss,and decide what it is you want from the thread. Then you will receive responses. You have already received thoughtful intelligent responses from both @monokakata and @foleor.

The fact that you persist with insulting those who take issue with the way you have framed this thread suggests that you think the cause of the problem is them, not you.
 
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3 Positive comments on this thread gratefully received and acknowledged ..... the rest?

No positive contribution or engagement to the subject of the post ...... that says it all Sceptical scribe .....

Even you have not 'added to the subject of the debate in any meaningful way.

Just coddled up a theory ..... quite clearly not registering what was written in any of my earlier posts to trot out your distorted view on this thread .....

I picked apart your first attempt at this. Surprised you didn't take the hint and switch to discussing the subject of the clip and astronomy for a change.
If you have no positive comment to make ..... what are you here for? ..... just to lecture me on manners?

97% moaning about this and that ...... despite my efforts 3 times(!)to continually steer people back to the Astronomy debate. (A fact you continue to ignore)

If people have an agenda to ridicule a thread, and not engage in the debate ..... they should be firmly shown the door marked 'move on' - and they were.

Trouble is, they didn't take the hint, which progressively became ..... what it became ..... cause and effect ..... twisting it around differently doesn't help your case.

So what are your views on the clip, Sceptical scribe. Time to just talk astronomy analysis now ..... what did you think of Foleor's interpretation?
 
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Dubdrifter nonsense
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So when exactly do you plan on bringing your 'A' Game to your own thread? So far all you've brought is a couple of videos presenting their own speculative view that leans towards aliens as well as your own leaning views of aliens. You've presented no evidence otherwise and you've whined about others not taking you serious. My money is that you're to scared to take this to a true astronomy based site for fear of ridicule from those who would be more knowledgeable on a subject.

Your thread is akin to going to a car forum looking for advice on making a meatloaf in hopes that a cook happens to post on that forum. You really are the one that should be concerned about looking 'burnt'. For the rest of us, this is turning out to be entertainment.
 
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Have they gone? Good, now we can get on with the 'serious' discussion.

Yes, It is very difficult to 'have a debate' when 'spoilers' jump on threads with no interest in engaging in the 'subject' of the thread, make inane comments to drag the topic into 'alien/conspiracy theory territory' to ridicule the topic, and then get 'upset' when the OP ridicules them in return, tries to steer the thread back on topic ….. and still has these same 'spoilers' continue to interrupt the 'subject on the card' - an astronomical observation in case you have forgotten, by berating the OP for his 'bad manners'. Mmmm ….. pretty rich eh?

'Spoilers' always have a common tactic to mention "Aliens+Conspiracy Theory" early on in a thread they don't like or one they struggle intellectually to engage in.
Strangely, they are not there to click on links, read posts and respond intelligently with a contribution on the topic discussed ….. they are like the 'spoilt child in the room constantly demanding attention' when the adults in the room 'are trying to have an intelligent conversation'.
They will round on a phrase or sentence - like the one italicised in the previous paragraph and try and apply it to the OP or subject and imagine they are making a valid, intelligent, pithy comment - yes, we've all done it ….. now lets move on.

P.S. Just before we do that ….. I'm not averse to discussing 'alien/conspiracy theory seriously in the right context.
Spoilers brought it to the foreground on here early on ……
The original poster of the Youtube clip hesitantly mentions at the end of the clip ……… "possibly, dare I say, is this evidence of some sort of 'alien' intelligence at work here - or a natural phenomenon?"
Yes, the spoilers favourite, the A/CT subject ….. seeing as the spoilers brought it up ….. no point denying the 'elephant in the room' ….. so I acknowledged it was there with a twist about NASA possibly tampering with feed data ….. now this is a BIG topic that can be discussed in detail ….. there is quite a bit of good evidence which I may bring up on here if the thread goes there.

Right, back to Foleor's analysis ….. he mentions "The bright specks are most probably what astronomers call "cosmic ray events", charged particles that shoot with high speed through the detector during the exposure, discharging a lot of electrons that are read out and show up in the image as bright spots. The design document of this instrument states that they expect about a 1000 pixels affected by these events (out of 4 million pixels) in each exposure. Because we don't see that many this probably means that most of them have been removed by an automatic software detection algorithm, but this is hard to do perfectly especially on the smaller, fainter events, which means that some faint spots may still be in these images".

This explanation sounds reasonable for explaining bright specs on the detector, but doesn't quite resonate with images like the one I posted in Post 34.
(Yes, some of us are trying to discuss Astronomy on here Sceptical scribe - it's not all been about 'me and my so called colossal ego' ….. as you keep trying to imply ad nauseam!)

Other exciting video clips from Helioviewer put on Youtube in the last few years show some 'shaped' specs and others that don't look like natural objects (like the one in Post 34 - is it definitely a camera/data artifact? - it seems to have almost a 3D form to it - although the sun's reflective glow seems to almost be on the 'wrong side' if the object is the shape on first impression -anyone else notice that?)
Some of these objects have been seen stationary a fair distance from the Sun ….. then move closer in ….. then disappear …. with no indication the body has plunged into the inferno and burned up. Very exciting footage ….. maybe someone could chip in with an explanation …..

Here is a guy trying to find answers: Beware, this clip is 13+ mins ….. so if you can't spare 8 mins on Dubdroid's clip ….. leave this thread NOW.


Some of these objects seen around the Sun ….. do they still fit in with Foleor's cosmic ray particles hitting the detector theory?
So if Foleor is too busy, (still more than welcome to chip in) ….. anyone else want a stab at this conundrum + or want to unpick what this guy is saying in a constructive and helpful way?

Here are a series of artifacts highlighted by a Russian researcher shown near the Sun not easily explained by the 'particles' theory:


If you view on full screen you don't need to understand Russian to get interested by this data!
[Back off you McCarthyists ….. it's not a Communist Plot!]

This 'Prominence' discovered at the same date and time as the footage I wanted MacRumours members to see ….. is very interesting,and comes from NASA through Helioviewer.

I have included it here because I thought initially the smooth video footage didn't quite reflect the 'jerking gas emission 'emergence' and 'disappearance' data Dubdroid observed in his Youtube clip ….. which Foleor suggested was …… "If you look at the left side of the window in the video in the panel marked "image", you can see that the data shown is from the UEVI detector of the SECCHI instrument in the STEREO-B mission. Just above that information you see the time stamp of the data in green. It turns out that the data available comes in steps of 10 minutes, not 1 second as suggested in the video.
This is not uncommon; this has nothing to do with how fast the camera can take pictures, but with the data rate they can be sent back to Earth. You should think at rates not much faster than your analog telephone line modem if you are old enough to remember that.
Design of this satellite was probably started about 20 years ago and may have technology on board that is even older. For instance, this camera runs on a PowerPC chip that older Mac lovers will well remember.
So even though the top level time selection is shifted by only one second, in reality an image taken 10 minutes later is shown. The display just shows the image taken closest in time compared to the time selected in the top panel, so shifting from the image taken 5 minutes earlier to the image taken 5 minutes after the time selected by moving just 1 second in selection.
And indeed, the Sun changes that much in 10 minutes in terms of solar flares, not in 1 second (that would probably be faster than light given the enormous distances covered)."

….. I bumped into this "Prominence" footage by accident the other month - 3 years after the event was first posted by amateur researchers on Youtube:


Live Science online magazine explained it thus:

http://www.livescience.com/19024-refueling-ufo-solar-prominence.html

Strangely, they have broken the link to the source video …. don't know why they haven't repaired it …. it's been like that for some time. Draw your own conclusions. One of many 'inconveniences' stopping the public getting at the data easily.
Other clips showing more detail:


Looking at the detail here …..Does this suggesting the prominence may be 'preformed' and 'docking' with the Sun?

Looking at the time clock ticking bottom right I have just noticed that this whole event transpired over a 4 day period approx. …… which means that Foleor's theory on data time delay explaining Dubdroid's 'gas emission' clip seems to hold up nicely!

Kradok100 analyses the clip through different filters:


….. very interesting it deflects the solar flare.

Here's the Russian media approach to coverage:

https://youtu.be/pc7_mmOFfkI

Is that back projection behind the presenters CGI? If not, where can we see the original footage to that 'prominence' on the Internet? Anybody got a link?

It looks like they are more open to discussing these thing in the Russian media with their expert scientists than we are in the West …… and they are only just emerging from decades as a Totalitarian State!
Would have thought the BBC's Sky at Night or Horizon documentary teams would have been all over this 'amazing' footage analysing it excitedly with a fine tooth comb in 1 hour documentaries wheeling out every expert astronomer under the Sun desperate to put in his 5 cents worth of expert opinion on exactly what was going on here ….. and whether the 'orb' was 'docking' or being 'formed' from the black threads ….. and what 'forces' engage, that 'prompts' a large mass as big as Jupiter(allegedly …. is this accurate?) to detach and shoot away.

Looking at the time clock ticking from the time it breaks away ….. maybe Foleor or some expert could tell me at what speed this giant body is moving away from the Sun …. distance moved over time ….. shouldn't be difficult to crunch some rough numbers.

So many questions for our expert astronomers ….. and so few answers to the general public fascinated by this.
I had to discover this on Youtube, and all over UFO disclosure websites!

Not always the most reliable place to get your data, …. so….. Either the 'cover-up' goes deeper than I thought …… or astronomers are worse communicators than I thought …… or it ALL came out at the time extensively all over the place ….. and I just missed all the buzz about it all.

If so, can someone give links to all the discussion and documentaries on this ….. Personally, I'm a bit in the dark on all the commotion it must have generated.

I asked a guy at work who is really into astronomy/space exploration ….. and it was the first he'd heard of it ….. 3 years after the event! ….. So not the only 'mushroom in the dark' on all this. :D

Maybe Astronomers need to address this issue? …… experts should be at the forefront of these exciting public debates. Maybe they were and we just missed it!

Just discovered this!: Very odd.

https://youtu.be/V-hRVSeCv9E

Debunkers can now crawl off with yet more egg on their faces!
Who would have thought, the forefront of cutting edge scientific discoveries would come from enthusiastic amateur astronomers and dedicated amateur UFO researchers on Youtube!

Are Scientists hiding in their labs worrying about where their next grant cheques are coming from? Hesitant to 'openly debate issues because Governments/Grant Institutions will 'pull the financial plug' if they say something 'challenging' ….. isn't it time to come out of those ivory towers and engage with the public in OPEN debates on these exciting discoveries?
Saying you are 'too busy' is not good enough ….. tax payers pay your wages ….. you should engage with them in recompense.

For all you guys out there who love the alien/conspiracy theory stuff ….. well you brought it up first on this thread …. and wouldn't let it drop!
Just discovered this:

https://youtu.be/spMpJ7SYZ7I

No comment. :D
[Still on my B Game, guys, still coastin']
 
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