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Wow. Apple just got served on the hardware side. Simply blows away the MB line. Seems like we are back to the old days where Apple is left behind again and again.

Wait, we don't have one review, or even a hands on with this machine and you've already declared it blows away the rMB? Based on what? Specs on a piece of paper? A press release? Give me a break.

Why do these articles always gloss over the huge difference in the display? It's not a small thing. The retina display is a huge selling point for the Macbook. I'd go so far as to say that without the retina display, the Macbook would be pointless, nothing more than a thinner Macbook Air with a single USB-C port. It's having such a thin and light computer with good battery life which also has a superb retina display which makes the whole package worthwhile. Call me back when someone matches apples to Apples.

We all know if Apple had released the MB with this kind of screen it would have been trashed. I remember what people (rightly) said about the original iPad mini.
 
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When is the last time you've used windows in a notebook? It can't compare. Then there is the far inferior screen. This thing is way overpriced compared to the macbook.


The 12-inch MB in Australian i'm comparing that is.. $999 for the base price compared with
 
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Fingerprint sensors included in our notebooks / desktop computer keyboards (in combination with a clever software communicating with our Internet browsers) to finally get rid of typing/saving passwords for every online account is SO overdue. It's by far the safest, easiest and fastest way, we wouldn't even need password managers like 1Password anymore.
Unless you want every website to store your fingerprint (ok, a hash of your fingerprint), you'd still need password managers. Now, could websites and browsers communicate in a way that handles the equivalent of a password auto-fill in the background? Yes, but that has nothing to do with fingerprint sensors. There is good reason why on iOS devices the fingerprint (or rather a hash of it) is store in a physically separate part of the hardware that cannot be read by other parts of the hardware. What is stored locally cannot get into the wrong hands by hacking a server (and getting millions of datasets in one go). What is stored in a physically separate and inaccessible location cannot get into the wrong hands by hacking into the device.
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That's a damn fine looking machine. Weak points vs MacBook look to be battery life and screen resolution. Surprised they didn't put in a second USB port to avoid all the drama Apple is facing over their decision to go with just one.
The reason there is no (or much less) drama over ASUS shipping a laptop with only one USB port, is that if Apple offers a product, it is claimed that Apple is forcing people to follow the Apple way but when ASUS (or any other PC manufacturer) does, the answer is that nobody is forced to buy that model because there are plenty of other PC laptops to choose from.

A common complaint is that one might like the MacBook One screen but would like the MBA CPU and port selection (ie, Apple is not offering the combination of features one wants). With PC laptops, there is the notion that if you don't like the combination of features of a particular model, surely there must be a laptop out there that does have the wanted combination of features. But that notion is never really tested (not least because it is a lot of work to prove the absence of something, in this case the absence of a laptop with a specific set of features).

But the biggest unspoken element here is that a certain price point is often part of that desired set of features, which is another way of saying that people want something but don't want to pay for it.
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I don't get it why notebooks like these is able to put Intel Core i7 in it while the MacBook gets a crippled Intel Core M?

I remember the original MBA launch where SJ showed why netbooks is horrible and one of the points was Intel Atom (or along low powered processor or something) Guess what Apple, Core M is the new Atom, and you're using it in your MacBooks!
Maybe the answer is that the Core M isn't actually horrible. It's about as fast as a three-year-old MBA. Where those horrible?
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The screen!!!! When are they going to realise they need to match the MacBooks resolution!!! Ffs
Lower-res screen allows them to undercut the MB on price. They obviously thought that there is a demographic that values cost more than screen quality.
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About the only thing this has over the Macbook is that it has Thunderbolt, seriously Apple why didn't you put thunderbolt in?! and the i over the m processor. But just wait for another iteration or two and Intel will deliver lower power i5/i7's that can run fanless and these will be in the Macbook.
Intel has i5/i7 mobile CPU at three different TDP values: 15 W, 28 W, 45 W (Core M is 4.5 W). Their performance spans quite a wide range. Thus labelling something i5/i7 is merely saying that it is not in the lowest of four performance brackets.
 
test it before buy it, macbook still has a better keyboard trackpad battery screen and speakers

Yep, it was announced *today* in Taiwan, but you already know the keyboard, trackpad, battery, screen and speakers are all better on the macbook.

The koolaid is strong here.
 
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I'll hold actual judgement until I actually try the Asus Laptop. but I've liked the monitors I bought of theirs, When I built PC's I like their MOBO's and other parts, so this could be a perfectly good machine.

With that said, I have an HP laptop (work provided, not my purchase) that is supposedly a Macbook competitor, and sure it's specs on the box seem more impressive at a glance but oh my goodness I hate that thing, the screen is mediocre at best, the touchpad is AWEFUL, I would take some old 1990's trackpad or keyboard-joystick nub over this thing any day. the wifi constantly needs to be reset (and hates Airport Extreme/Time Capsule unless you disable/lower the security features) It needs to be rebooted every day or so to keep running, it has a hard time picking up screen changes even when loaded into it's docking station, etc., etc. For a while I just thought I got a lemon but we swapped for another new machine and it behaves exactly the same and several of my coworkers have the same/similar complaints.

My point is this, Thinner, Faster, Lighter in no way means better as they don't really comprise the whole user experience. At this point Apple is still the only vendor I would trust what I'm getting to "blindly" buy a machine without trying it, enough to feel like I would get what I was expecting. I'm not saying I would never buy another brand laptop just that I would want to go have it in my hands and give it a test run for an hour or two before I did.
 
I think his point was:

If it doesn't run OSX... it doesn't really compete with a Macintosh laptop.

You can compare hardware specs all day long... but software is a BIG part of the Macintosh.

Not as much as it used to be though. OSX has become less stable over the last 3 or 4 iterations & Windows is actually getting more stable. I consider it a wash, since I work with applications more than the operating system.
 
Downsides of this ASUS. It will not have the same battery life as a MacBook. I estimate 6 hours on the high end. It also will have an inferior keyboard and trackpad than the MacBook (and it will have driver issues). The screen obviously is not as good as a MacBook's. It will also not hold its value as well as a Mac.

This doesn't mean the computer isn't worth buying but ASUS has yet to release a computer that is in practice as good as its specs.
 
Intel i7, take notice Apple.
This is my biggest complaint about Apple! They cripple their computers with lower and lower processors with every generation in the name of battery life! I would rather have an i7 dual core that yields 4 hours of heavy graphical use than an m3 that allows 12 hours of Internet only use.
 
who gives a hoot how "Thin" stuff is
Thin is a natural progression in technology. No one ever says I wish this were thicker. (Especially when it involves display/touch technology). Otherwise phones would still look like 1980s phones. Would you like an A9 chip in a 1980s brick phone?

The question should be does the thinness complement the functionality?

Eventually paper thin displays will be the norm but of course only for specific kinds of devices.
 
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I got my wife the original MacBook and its fine for her. That is what Apple is better on, people who do no know what an i7 or i5 is. They sell the cheapest things at the highest price running OSX. I just wonder for how long Apple can keep this up? They are not innovating anymore, they are just selling a commodity now. OSX is great, all I have used since 2000, but lately it's prone to just as many or more issues than my Windows 8.1 machine that runs flawlessly for months without a reboot. I am also tired of having to reboot because of an update, I remember when we could update and keep working, it wasn't the big hassle like with windows and now they are the same!! I'm also tired of Apple getting rid of the fine grain controls, look at Disk Utility for an example. I am also sick of the wait for a real upgrade to the MacBook Pro.. I feel like I am being pushed to far and really starting to wonder if it's worth it
 
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Right, just like alll those incredible improvements they've rolled out for the mac pro in the past 2.5 years
I agree they're taking their time on it but a) Intel botched their road map and Apple has been waiting for Skylake in volume, and b) people aren't running to competitors (and switching to Windows) in droves anyway. Our company just bought 22 MacPros and they are still good machines. There may be new ones next month at WWDC, that's typically where they're announced.
 
Windows 10 may be more efficient than older versions, but I'm pretty sure that it still requires far more resources than OS X at idle. I believe the same system will use almost double the power and produce almost double the heat.

These days, Windows is considerably more efficient than OSX when it comes to raw resource usage. I have an SP4 M3, and it doesn't even get hotter than an iPad unless you're pushing it really, really hard with games or graphic intensive software.
 
Thin is a natural progression in technology. No one ever says I wish this were thicker. (Especially when it involves display/touch technology). Otherwise phones would still look like 1980s phones. Would you like an A9 chip in a 1980s brick phone?

The question should be does the thinness complement the functionality?

Eventually paper thin displays will be the norm but of course only for specific kinds of devices.

Whats funny is my Startac was much smaller than most phones on the market today... it's not apples to apples as that was a feature phone, but I do miss how small it was :D
 
Yep. Too bad it doesn't run OS X. Edit: Oh wait, only 1920x1080 display? Never mind, it's lame then.
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test it before buy it, macbook still has a better keyboard trackpad battery screen and speakers
Is this based on any personal experience? The keyboard, trackpad, and battery do matter a lot. For most, they matter more than the processor and such.
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Fingerprint sensors included in our notebooks / desktop computer keyboards (in combination with a clever software communicating with our Internet browsers) to finally get rid of typing/saving passwords for every online account is SO overdue. It's by far the safest, easiest and fastest way, we wouldn't even need password managers like 1Password anymore. We have 2016, when will this finally happen?!
I didn't think of websites using fingerprints when I was saying earlier that Macs don't need fingerprint scanners, but what's wrong with using Keychain or something? It's automated and secure.

Also, using fingerprints is like using the same password on every site and not even being able to change it. If one website leaks it (e.g. MacRumors with their non-SSL login or Yahoo! with their horrendous security), and someone steals your password, you're finished.
 
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Why do these articles always gloss over the huge difference in the display? It's not a small thing. The retina display is a huge selling point for the Macbook. I'd go so far as to say that without the retina display, the Macbook would be pointless, nothing more than a thinner Macbook Air with a single USB-C port. It's having such a thin and light computer with good battery life which also has a superb retina display which makes the whole package worthwhile. Call me back when someone matches apples to Apples.
Yeah, it's so annoying how everyone ignores screen resolution and other specs. That's what lets computer companies still get away with these crap 1920x1080 (edit: 20+") displays. Go on NewEgg, and there are all these deals that look nice until you read the fine print and realize... if you got that display, reading fine print would be hard to do!
 
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