Asus Zenbook (13inch) vs. Apple Macbook-Air (13inch) / Macbook-Retina (15inch)

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  1. Sahee, Jun 30, 2012
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    Please read the comparison before you vote for the poll, thank you!


    Greetings MacRumor Community.
    2012 is halfway passed and Apple took the opportunity to release a Laptop with very high pixel density, during their announcement they said that no other Laptop has yet achieved such a high pixel density... but Asus released the 2012 Zenbook (UX32VD) before WWDC and it has a FULL-HD resolution in a 13inch Case. This lead to a pixel density of about 160-170 while the Retina-Macbook has a pixel density of 220. So actually there has been a contender before the WWDC.

    The human eye can actually recognize huge differences between a pixel density of 0-120, when a pixel density of 120 is achieved the human eye can no longer diverse single pixels (during computer normal usage: viewing distance about arm length)... every further increase leads to only small differences (if any!). So basically the viewing experience of both laptops will be about the same.

    As both, UX32VD and rMBP have an IPS-Panel their display statistics share about the same specs. The Asus UX21A (11inch) shares the Display-Panel with the UX32VD Version (13inch).

    Anandtech.com actually has shown that the Asus-Panel achieves better specs than the Apple-Panel.
    Source: http://www.anandtech.com/show/6023/the-nextgen-macbook-pro-with-retina-display-review/5

    ...so when it comes to Display comparison the Asus UX32VD has a better Image while the rMBR has more Image-Space cause of the 15,4inch Case.

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    In this thread I will compare those 3 outstanding devices. Most significant attributes during this comparison are: "Performance", "Value" and "Portability". Lets see who is "my" personal winner mid 2012. A few words about me: I am 21 years old, and I'm studying computer science. Lets go!
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    Apple Macbook-Retina (~2200€)

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    Specs:
    Intel Quadcore-I7 @2,3 GHZ (Turboboost 3,3 GHZ), 8GB RAM @1600MHZ, 15inch IPS-Display with 2,880x1,800 Pixel (16:10) Retina-Resolution. Geforce 650M @1GB + Intel 4000HD. 256GB SSD. Bluetooth, HDMI, USB 3.0, Thunderbolt, Display-Port.

    + Case: Unibody
    + OSX
    + 16:10 DisplayRatio
    + 1GB 650M Graphics
    + Quad Core I7 @2,3 GHz. 3,3GHZ Turboboost.
    + IPS-Panel
    + 7 Hours Battery-Life
    + SSD 256GB
    + Display-Port
    + 2x Thunderbolt
    + Ultra-portable
    + Backlid Keyboard
    + Multitouch Trackpad
    - Expensive
    - No Customization (RAM soldered/Apple SSD)
    - 1 Year Warranty

    Neutral:
    * Glossy (moderate glare)
    * Zenbook is thinner and weight 0,5kg (1,1pound) less.

    Conclusion:
    The Macbook-Retina start a new decade of portable devices, it would be downgraded by calling it Macbook-Air 15inch. There has never been a Laptop which such a high pixel density, yet is is not the perfect laptop. The RAM is soldered on the Mainboard and the Custom SSD is hard to replace, once you buy this laptop you are limited to your chosen spec at the initial purchase. The Retina-Display although suffers from Burn-Ins and Ghosting, so what first seems to be the perfect machine turns out to have too many faults to claim this throne. Apple will most likely do its best to fix those problems... its still a prototype machine. If the listed problems do not really derail you, than you may chose this device and be as happy as never before.

    Apple Macbook-AIR (1650€)

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    Specs:
    Intel Dualcore-I5 @1,8 GHZ (Turboboost 2,8 GHZ), 8GB RAM @1600MHZ, 13inch TN-Display with 1440 x 900 Pixel (16:10). Onboard Intel 4000HD. 256GB SSD. Bluetooth, 1x USB 3.0, Thunderbolt.

    + Case: Unibody
    + OSX
    + Anti-Glare Screen
    + 16:10 DisplayRatio
    + 7 Hours Battery-Life
    + SSD 256GB
    + 1x Thunderbolt
    + Very Thin/Portable
    + Backlid Keyboard
    + Multitouch Trackpad
    - No Customization (RAM soldered/Apple-SSD)
    - Expensive
    - 1 Year Warranty
    - Dual Core I5 @1,8 GHz. 2,8GHZ Turboboost.
    - 1440 x 900 Resolution
    - TN-Panel
    - Intel 4000 GPU

    Conclusion:
    The Macbook-Air seems to be the weakest device in this comparison. Its display resolution seems a bit outdated and the TN-Panel does not offer the same quality as an IPS-Panel. Trackpad and Keyboard are outstanding and if you need a portable device while you cant disclaim OS-X, well than this is maybe your best valued choice. When only Specs are taken into consideration, the Macbook-Air sadly is falling behind.

    Asus ZENBOOK (900-1000€)

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    Specs:
    Intel Dualcore-I7 @1,9 GHZ (Turboboost 3,0 GHZ), 4GB RAM @1600MHZ, 13inch IPS-Display with 1920 x 1080 Pixel (16:9) Full-HD Resolution. Geforce 620M @1GB DDR5 + Intel 4000HD. 500GB HDD + 32GB SSD (Cache). Bluetooth, Full-Size HDMI, 3x USB 3.0, Mini-VGA, SD-Card Slot.

    + Cheap Price
    + Customization (RAM/HDD can be replaced)
    + Anti-Glare Screen
    + 2 Years Warranty
    + 7 Hours Battery-Life (with Linux ~8-9 Hours!)
    + Very Thin/Portable (same as Air)
    + Weights only 1,5kg! (equals 3,30 pounds)
    + IPS-Panel
    + Dedicated SSD 32GB (can be used as secondary partition)
    + 1GB 620M Graphics (clocked @same performance as 540M)
    + Backlid Keyboard
    + Multitouch Trackpad
    + High quality Synthetic-Sleeve is part of the Assembly
    - HDD 500GB @5400rpm (can be replaced with SSD [+200€))
    - 4GB DDR3 RAM (can be replaced with custom RAM [+50€])
    - 16:9 DisplayRatio.
    - Lacks Display-Port (instead it has a Mini-VGA)
    - Dualcore I7 @1,9GHZ. 3,0GHZ Turboboost.

    Neutral:
    * Case: Aluminum-Sandwich
    * SSD Cache soldered (neutral because it's dedicated)

    Sleeve:
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    Huge Zenbook UX32 Review:
    http://www.notebookcheck.net/Review-Asus-Zenbook-UX32VD-Ultrabook.75591.0.html

    Upgrade-Source:
    SSD Replacement: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqe1-X_klr4
    Transform SSD-Cache into normal SSD: http://ultrabooknews.com/2012/06/28/mod-your-asus-ux32vd-from-hybrid-to-ssd-for-free/
    RAM Replacement: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEUgI...eature=related

    Example for Updated UX32VD:
    i7@1,9GHZ (Turboboost 3,0GHZ) + 10GB DDR3 1600MHZ RAM + Nvidia 620M@1GB + 256GB (Samsung 830) SSD + 32GB Custom-SSD + Full-Size HDMI + 3x USB 3.0 + Mini VGA + SD Card Slot.

    Overall Cost: 1250-1300€ for this price you basically get the fastest Ultrabook on the market with the best laptop Screen on the market (except Macbook-Retina). Its even possible to toggle the SSD-Cache into a normal SSD-Drive, which enables the option to install a OS on that component, so the user is able to use the 32GB for Linux and the 256GB SSD for Windows 8.

    Conclusion:
    Asus... whats that? Well, its not a Apple-Company. Rumors do state that a sub-company of Asus was initially addressed by Apple to build the Macbook-Air Unibody-Cases that Macintosh Laptop's use these days, it seems like those guys are not bad in building an enclosure. The Zenbook is not build in a Unibody-Case but its Aluminium-Sandwich Appearance does look very good. The building quality is really outstanding. The Keyboard has some very small flex, but only with high pressure, it still feels very comfortable and the Multitouch Trackpad is offering a solid performance. The main factor about this device is the Full-HD Display which looks outstanding and offers a really good viewing experience, some buyers do claim that their display suffers from bleeding. The special thing about this Laptop is that regardless of the very small enclosure, its possible to switch HDD and RAM. The sleeve which is part of the purchase is a nice gift apart from this outstanding windows PC... and that's the last aspect, regardless of its specs it is still a windows PC.

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    Comparison

    As the Asus UX32VD has lower hardware specs than the rMBP, it will be outperformed in intense operations... so when it comes to performances the rMBP wins hands down. When the Zenbook gets compared to the Macbook-Air it wins in every aspect... and with SSD (256GB) and 10GB RAM upgrade the Zenbook would still even cost about 350€ less than the Air!

    Overall performance
    Notice: The Asus Zenbook can be customized with an SSD/Ram Upgrade.

    The SSD-Cache is a dedicated component, so when the HDD gets removed the SSD-Cache will still be attached to the computer, when you install a Samsung 830SSD with 256GB space, than you basically get 286GB of space (+30GB SSD Cache). Although the Zenbook has two Ram-Slots which each 2GB of Ram at 1600MHZ Clock speed... one of those DIMM's can be replaced with a 8GB DIMM, the other one is part of the Mainboard, so you basically can upgrade up to 10GB of RAM.

    Asus UX32VD with Samsung 830 SSD [256GB] and 10GB Ram (overall cost 1200-1300€) vs. Base Retina Macbook (2200€). Does the Retina Macbook perform better? Lets see:

    1. Net-Browsing -> No!
    2. Writing/Coding -> No!
    3. Rendering -> No!
    4. Photo Editing -> No!
    5. Video Editing -> Yes!
    6. 3D Programming -> Yes!
    7. Gaming -> Yes!

    If you really need a Powerhouse-Portable, than the rMBP will be the way to go but I've you don't use 3D Programming / Video Editing than you don't need that power.

    3D Perfomance (UX 32VD)
    As I've mentioned before, the Zenbook loses against the rMBP in 3D/Video processes, but that was about to be expected... but regarding the UX32VD and Videogames...
    I am not a gamer... but actually this video is quite interesting!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xw-2wdZ0MdU

    30 Frames on Skyrim with ULTRA-Settings and Full-HD Resolution!
    This can be obtained because most applications nowadays only use a single core (especially video games)... and the Turboboost of both systems has only a difference of 300MHZ. When you are a gamer you should be able to game with that machine... when you chose a lower Resolution it should get even better frames.

    Customization:
    Huge advantage towards the UX32VD... as its RAM and HDD can be replaced.... with SSD and RAM Upgrade the Performance (outside of Videogames/Video editing) is comparable with the rMBR Performance. When the SSD price drops there will be the option to insert a huge SSD into the case, the rMBR lacks that option.

    Operating System:
    Of course... the UX32VD lacks the OS-X operating system, which basically makes it uninteresting for most Macintosh users. But it should be possible to overcome that situation... and still, windows is not as bad as many people are claiming it to be. As "All-Time" Mac-user you will most likely not waste a glance at the Zenbook, and I do understand that position.

    Best for Performance: Macbook Retina​

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    Value
    If you do care about Value than than you can't avoid the Asus Zenbook. It offers insanely good amount of hardware for this amount of money. Even when you customize it with SSD and RAM it will still only cost about 1300€. The Macbook-Retina does although offer a satisfying value in regards of the given specs, but 2200€ for a Laptop is still a Line that many people are not willing to cross. Its only worth it if you need this powerful hardware. When the Macbook-Air is taken into consideration it seems to be the most unsatisfying solution.

    Best for Value: Zenbook

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    Portability
    Both, Macbook Air and Zenbook share about the same specs in weight and size. As the Zenbook has better hardware components it will be the better overall choice. The Macbook-Retina is although a very portable machine but its 15inch size makes it a little bit more uncomfortable in transportation.

    Best for Portability: Zenbook​


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    Summary:
    I personally lean towards the Zenbook (Asus UX32VD) as it is more portable and can be upgraded. But that's my personal experience as a Student who although cares for value. The Zenbook can get pretty fast when upgraded... Windows 8 has better Scaling-Options than Windows 7, there will be no issues regarding small images on the 13inch screen when Windows 8 is released.

    I really like OS-X but when it comes towards Design I personally would really like to remove the Apple-Logo on the back... I don't feel comfortable with it, the other downside is that there are many prejudices against Apple-Users. The Zenbook Design is more unique and does actually fit my personal style a lot better, so when it comes to Design and my personal preferences, Zenbook-Design wins against Mac-Design.

    The Zenbook is a ultra portable windows laptop with very good specs, this rarely happens and that is why it is basically a bargain. Well, It does lack OS-X but as a technically minded person this shouldn't be a real problem. I do think that Apple should make the turn to officially offer OS-X as standalone software version... but I guess that will never happen, as it is the main reason to pick a mac


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    Why do I compare those both different machines?
    Its all about the intended usage of both devices, on a normal usage surface the Zenbook is the better device. The RetinaPro is not worth it... who need powerhouse laptops these days (its a minority!). If you really need this powerful hardware than you will most likely work on an external screen which makes the Retina-Screen useless.

    Somebody said that the rMBP is a 2200€ Facebook machine and I need to agree with this guy at some point... I guess that overall maybe 20-30% of the buyers do even know what a virtual machine is (no insulting intended!)... There are Musicians/DJ's and App-Programmers who really need OSX... those guys don't need good hardware in most cases, although its not really useful for Photo editors... cause the Retina-Screen will affect the photo appearance when viewed on a normal full HD screen, who has a 2k Screen at home? So basically the user edits a Photo on 2k and needs to render it back on HD, so where is the reason for using 2k?

    The technology is not ready for such a high screen resolution on a computer device and everyone who uses the retina Macbook will limit himself in usage, cause the software will need to get upgraded to that resolution which can takes months (or even years, who knows).

    Who is the Retina-Macbook meant for?
    Journalists and Coders.

    They stare at monitors for hours and the Retina-Screen will reduce Eye strain. The funny thing is that both do not need the hardware, but there is no alternative on the market as a 13 inch (Zenbook) for example is too small do be viewed for several hours.

    For the majority the Retina Macbook is a waste of money, and is defiantly a waste of money for a student. That's all I'm saying.

    Whats your opinion?
     
  2. OatmealRocks macrumors 6502a

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    Would it not be a more even comparison with a MBA?
     
  3. Sahee thread starter macrumors regular

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    It outperforms the MBA in every situation :).
    Its actually more comparable with the rMBR than with the MBA... which means a lot.

    I do think that the Asus Zenbook could be indicted with plagiarism... the similarity of design is too obvious.
    Apple did exactly that during the 2011 Zenbook release, but yet nothing happened.
     
  4. OatmealRocks macrumors 6502a

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    Yes it would beat based on specs and screen. It looks very much like a MBA. Perhaps what an MBA should of been? or What it would be like in the next revision?
     
  5. ljx718 macrumors 6502

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    my opinion is that the rmbp is better than the Zen. It is not close. you gloss over facts which are pretty importnant and highlight things that are not important at all ( to me) OSx vs windows being the main one.

    other things not even mentioned: havings apple stores for service or replacement, better resale $, mouse pad/ multi touch geustures, etc.
     
  6. cube macrumors G5

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    It should not be compared with the MBA15, it should be compared with the MBA13.
     
  7. Sahee thread starter macrumors regular

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    I mentioned OSX as an Advantage towards the Macbook and I although said that this fact could be the main reason to pick the rMBR above the Zenbook for many users ...(but there a ways to overcome that situation). Zenbook has 1 year more default warranty than the Macbook-Retina, so the service is comparable.

    Regarding your other points:
    Windows 8 will have an Appstore. The Zenbook has a Multitouch Trackpad. Resale value is better than most Windows-PC's but should be nowhere near Apple's resale values... that's true.
     
  8. Buried macrumors newbie

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    With the way you worded your post, it almost makes it seem like you're promoting the Zenbook. There's another thing to mention, and that's attention to detail as well as durability/material used. The Zenbook just cannot cut it in terms of build. That's the thing with Windows laptops, they flaunt specs, but suck in build. But anyways, it's your choice. I wouldn't know because I haven't seen a Zenbook in person, but with past experience with multiple Windows laptops, I give up with them, each one somehow broke.
     
  9. Sahee thread starter macrumors regular

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    I am in the market for a new laptop and do care about my money. That's why I made this thread to discuss about both laptops... I am not promoting anything, but the Zenbook costs half the price but the rMBR does not offer double the performance... so actually the Zenbook impresses me. I cant really argue about the overall build quality of the Zenbook but it has a aluminium case... so it should be durable.

    I've heard something about display-bleeding... but as the Macbook-Pro has ghosting it seems that both laptops struggle with some problems regarding display quality.
     
  10. Vctr macrumors regular

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    Have you actually used the zenbook? I'll agree with what you said about most windows laptops ... But the zenbooks actually feel pretty good
     
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  12. leman macrumors G3

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    This laptop should be rather compared with MBA 13", as many people here already stated. It uses similar CPUs as the MBA and its performance will be very similar. I don't get the point of putting the 620M in there, as its performance is more or less the same as of the HD4000. Maybe its to offset lower clocks of the ULV CPU. Anyway, I don't think its correct to compare it to the RMBP, the performance levels of the two are clearly different.

    The Zenbook Prime with 256GB SSD currently costs 1400€ on amazon in germany. It has a substantially better screen. The 13" Air with 256GB SSD costs 1549€. It has a slightly slower CPU and potentially slower graphics, but slightly bigger battery. Both machines have same size and weight.

    Yep, it looks like the Zenbook is a better buy spec-wise.
     
  13. golu14 macrumors regular

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    i have the rMBP and it doesn't have a 'single' issue. its the best laptop I've ever used, seen, or heard.

    about the double price not double performance thing, take a car for example.
    a modified ford that has 1000bhp for 100k dollars, and a bugatti veryron that also has 1000bhp and costs 1million.
    which one do you think is faster?
    its not always about the power, its about the load that the power has to carry.

    specs dont always matter, use both for yourself and decide.
     
  14. Fortimir macrumors 6502a

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    This. And the verbiage through out his whole comparison was very loaded and, like you said, emphasizes Zenbook strengths, while staying neutral about the Retina's. Somehow a soldered SSD cache is a pro for the Zenbook...

    Most importantly the conclusion is laughable. "Sure the MacBook is a better performer, but I prefer the Zenbook ENTIRELY over being able to upgrade the RAM and SSD." Well, yeah, if I didn't have Thunderbolt, I'd want to be able to upgrade my internal drive, too.

    The Zenbook is a much closer alternative to the MacBook Air, regardless of the OP's opinions.

    P.S. The SSD is on a removable daughterboard. There will likely be aftermarket drives.
     
  15. cmChimera, Jun 30, 2012
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    So basically the retina MacBook pro dominates it in every category. In what world is that called a competitor? The zen book is an MBA with a higher resolution screen and discrete graphics, minus the SSD.
     
  16. jcpb macrumors 6502a

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    A slight edge and nothing to write home about, let alone notice in daily usage.
    - Apple sells what seems to be overpriced high-end computers... in reality, it isn't that far off from any other OEM using similar specs.
    - You're comparing an ultralight against an ultraportable, with wildly different specs and buyer focuses. 500g is about the weight of a bottle of spring water... seriously?
    - 1yr warranty is common on laptops, longer warranties often cost extra, why is this a negative?
    - HDD is one of the reasons why this particular ZBP configuration is so cheap. How can you be so oblivious to these basics?
    - See above.
    - See above. Also 620M is already performance-limited and 1GB does very little performance-wise.
    - So why are you comparing this against a far better-spec'ed ultraportable?
    No it isn't.

    This is what you get from the ZBP:
    17W-TDP dual-core Ivy Bridge
    die-shrunk Fermi GT 540M + 28nm improvements + 1GB GDDR3

    This is what you get from the MBPR:
    45W-TDP quad-core Ivy Bridge
    factory-overclocked Kepler GT 650M full spec + 1GB GDDR5

    The performance difference between these two laptops are not comparable at all. Next, a 1TB SSD is not just too expensive, but it's also heavily restrained by SATA3 to see any perceptible speed benefit. Huge advantage? I think not.
    With a Hackintosh you're on your own in terms of troubleshooting.
    This thread reads like a horrible April Fools joke.
    Under Metro only.
    I don't think you have any clue what you're talking about.
     
  17. striker33 macrumors 65816

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    Whilst I agree you cant compare this with a rMBP, especially given its specs obliterate anything the Zenbook has to offer, I have to thank you for bringing this particular model to my interest. Seems insanely great value for money, and ASUS build quality is superb in their ultrabook lineups.

    Whilst you dont get OSX, I'm sure it would be possible to easily create a hackintosh partition.

    The gaming benchmarks on that thing are insane especially at 1080p.
     
  18. maratus macrumors 6502a

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    It seems like most people are overly-obsessed with upgrades for the sake of upgrades themselves. I wonder how many of those whining about upgrageability will put 32Gb of RAM in next two years.
     
  19. leenak macrumors 68020

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    I've had so many issues with Windows-based PC manufacturers that I'm done with them. Looking at the Asus Ultrabook.

    If you want the one with the video card, it costs $1299, which you get a 4GB RAM and a 500 GB HDD and a duo core processor vs quad core.

    I agree with others that this is best compared to the MB Air than the rMBP.

    So if you look at the 13" 256GB MBAir, you get a slightly better processor than the Asus, you get 256GB SSD (which I'd prefer over 500 GB HDD) and you get the same amount of memory (4GB). What you don't get is the video card. The air costs $1499.

    Apparently there is a Zenbook that is closer in specs to the 13" MB Air and it costs $1599. It has a 256GB SSD, 4GB RAM, no video card. So for $100 more, you get a system that has a better display than the Air and is comparable.

    If I wanted something like a Zenbook, I'd want to be able to configure it rather than pick one of their established configurations. It'd have a video card, 500 GB SSD and 8GB RAM. Now of course you could say you could just buy the $1299 version and do that but then you are starting to bring it up closer in price to the rMBP for smaller screen real estate and a dual core vs quad core.
     
  20. pgiguere1 macrumors 68020

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    No man. It's still comparable to an MBA, not a rMBP.

    What do you mean by "outperforms"? It uses the same CPU as a MBA yet has a mechanical 5400RPM hard drive which will make it pretty slow unless you put in an SSD yourself. That and the useless discrete graphics card make it thicker and heavier than a MBA. I say useless because it's barely better than an HD4000 and uses more power, and is mainly there for marketing reason.

    Saying "Ultrabook with discrete graphics" sounds cool, but in reality this GPU (a rebranded GT520M) is very close to the HD4000 and not close at all to the GT650M, same goes for this ULV dual core vs a LV quad core.

    The only real good thing this has over the MBA is the 1080p IPS display which is awesome, but that alone doesn't make it comparable to the rMBP. This is basically a thicker MBA with a better display, which the rMBP is not, since it has a lot (about twice) the power both in CPU and GPU.
     
  21. Sahee, Jun 30, 2012
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    Pricing seems a little bit different depending on the used currency. The Asus UX32VD with 256GB (+24GB SSD Cache = 280GB) with overall 10GB Ram (2GB Ram soldered + 8GB custom) costs me about 1200 Euro (950 Euro UX32VD) + (200Euro Samsung 830 256GB SSD) + (50Euro 8GB 1600MHZ RAM). Thats 1000 Euro cheaper than the rMBP... and thats basically the reason why I compare both. As long as the user is not a hardcore gamer or graphics designer he could work pretty good with that hardware set-up.

    I never said that the Zenbook is (spec wise) better than the Retina-Macbook, all I said is that I personally would chose it couse of the better pricing and design... everything is based on my personal preference...

    ...for those people who just want the Retina-Macbook for the display, the Zenbook seems a good and cheap alternative. It cannot be beaten by any ultra lightweight laptop on the market.

    Lets see what Apple does with their next MBA release... as they need to catch up with another company (Asus) this time!
     
  22. jcpb macrumors 6502a

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    Instead of comparing an Ultrabook with a Macbook Air, you're comparing to the MBPR, with the opening post already slanted towards the ZBP simply because it is cheaper.

    I should probably do a head-to-head comparison between a Galaxy Note and the 2012 iPad, just for kicks.

    Why are you trolling?

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    Invalid comparison. The MBPR is not an Ultrabook, the ZBP is an Ultrabook, the Macbook Air is an Ultrabook, end of story.
     
  23. leenak macrumors 68020

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    Actually, you are a little confused. It sounds like 6GB is max for the Zenbook for RAM. The 24GB you are counting for SSD is a cache on the HDD. Remove the HDD and that cache goes away.

    So you can get up to 6GB RAM (the rMBP goes up to 16GB) and whatever SSD you put in (256? 512?).

    Personally, if you don't play games, I'd recommend just getting the Zenbook without the graphics card.

    One thing I'd say is your most limiting factors on a PC will be your graphics card (which you generally can't upgrade anyway), your memory (this system can only go up to 6GB) and your processor (again, inferior processor to even the MB Air).

    If you want to buy it, buy it but it seems like it'll be outdated before the current rMBP and MB Air will be.
     
  24. Sahee, Jun 30, 2012
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    #24
    The Reviews mentioned that the UX32VD can be upgraded to a total of 10GB RAM, 2GB is soldered on the Mainboard... the other 2GB DIMM can be replaced with a 8GB DIMM, which means 10GB of RAM. Although they mentioned that the SSD-Cache is a separate hardware component...

    The MB Air 2012 is already outdated... cause between those two devices, the Zenbook UX32VD wins in every aspect.

    RAM proof:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xw-2wdZ0MdU

    SSD proof:
    http://ultrabooknews.com/2012/06/28/mod-your-asus-ux32vd-from-hybrid-to-ssd-for-free/

    For ~1200 Euro you can get a ultra light weight computer with 10GB RAM, 256GB SSD (or even more depending on your budget!), Dual Core I7 @1,9GHZ with 3,0GHZ Turbo and IPS-Screen and dedicated graphics card. There is no comparison (in that pricing segment) on the market!
     
  25. leenak macrumors 68020

    Joined:
    Mar 10, 2011
    #25
    Many of the better HDDs have a SSD-cache on them these days.

    The review sites I looked at indicated that the DIMM slot is only up to 4GB.

    http://www.theverge.com/products/zenbook-ux32vd/5681

    MEMORY
    Base RAM size 4 GB
    Max. config RAM size 6 GB
    RAM type DDR3
    Base RAM speed 1600 MHz
    RAM slots 1
     

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