I can’t afford one but I want to save up so I can afford one! It looks beyond impressive.
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At $3,500, will you buy a Vision Pro?
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I tried it at the lab in Munich yesterday. The text input and gestures were really impressive and hard to describe the experience but Apps will certainly make or break it.
the Apple TV also had all these concepts back on the day and is used 99,9% by streaming apps now
the Apple TV also had all these concepts back on the day and is used 99,9% by streaming apps now
Tbh if it can do what I think it can , I’ll probably forget getting a new bigger tv and get one of these instead
yes, i think i know exactly what you mean! *mucky smile*
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I like it and see it as potentially very quality of life improving, but no. Price isn’t as much an issue as the fact that it’ll be outdated in 2-3 years as every product in a new category. The next one will certainly improve on a lot, might cost less, and there’s no use case that demands me purchasing it now. If there was one, then the “the next one will be the best” factor doesn’t come into play.
At around $1000 I’d consider even if just to fiddle with it.
At around $1000 I’d consider even if just to fiddle with it.
As a developer I have to say, I am very impressed, indeed, I had the change to try it later last week. And oh boy, Apple is really doing something new here. It didn't take long to noticed that it felt different from all those competitors hardware that I have seen and used so far. Can't wait to work with it!!!
Big no for me. I'm not interested in an isolation helmet. I also can't imagine anything I'd want to do with such a device. The big virtual screens don't interest me. I'm sure, as a media player, it's quite amazing, but it's not a shared experience. I'm old school when it comes to film as well. I don't think the movie experience needs improving. I don't want interactive/immersive gimmicks. Good storytelling doesn't need gimmicks.
I'm still waiting for someone to give me a third party app use case that makes sense, much less appeals to a broad audience. I think the Vision Pro app store is going to make the Apple TV app store seem vibrant.
I'm still waiting for someone to give me a third party app use case that makes sense, much less appeals to a broad audience. I think the Vision Pro app store is going to make the Apple TV app store seem vibrant.
If I can watch my 8mm home videos from 1924-1979 scanned in at 4k and see the family members I lost again in that immersive experience, then yes. If it can only display video that it shot itself or on an iphone or from the apple store, then no.
and also Starman, because i just like that movie.
and also Starman, because i just like that movie.
It can definitely play any videos much like any other Apple device can. The Photos app was demoed and the Files app surely will be on there too.
However, I don't think Apple has any built-in upscaling features. So if you have the 8mm home videos definitely try to find a service that can upscale them for you if you haven't already. I could have sworn that's a thing.
I think I saw somewhere on YouTube videos from the early 1900's upscaled using AI and they looked amazing.
Edit: I see video players like VLC also have their own iPad apps, so you if you have any rare video formats you might be able to use those apps to play those videos. Overall, I'm almost 100% sure whatever you can do on an iPad you can do on Vision. So that's a good metric to use until Apple announces more details.
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I feel the BIG question still remains, "Who wants one?"
At literally any price.
Meta knows the market it's going for and will be selling (in about 6 weeks time from now) their new model to that established market.
Apple (as we know) are not interested in THAT market.
Now, I'm actually 100% certain that in the long distance future the majority of people will want AR devices, but we are so so so very far from this being a reality hardware wise. 5 / 10 / 20 years?
To get normal people who today have a phone to start wearing something on their face will require hardware we can only dream about today.
So winding back to who'd going to buy the Vison Pro 1 or probably even v2 or v3 (if it lasts to a v3)
Gamers (which Apple is ignoring officially)
Some content creators, Tech fans, YouTubers, and some business cases.
I really want AR/VR to succeed and I know it's the long term future (when the hardware is there)
But I can also see the possibility that this Launches and after 2 to 3 years it's cancelled till the hardware catches up.
As I've said before..... I'm no Meta Fanboy, but I do wonder if they have the better plan.
Build something people who want it can afford today, and then, over many generations and many years make the hardware and software better and better, taking your customers along for the gradual ride, and as improvements are made, bring on-board more customers.
Just as Apple did with the iPhone and iPad and many other products.
Making a product Almost no-one can afford (when I say no-one I mean a typical iPhone customer) and almost no-one wants and saying that in 5 / 10 years we might have something you want/can afford is a very odd method of marketing.
I can't help but keep thinking of the Original Homepod mistake and the later correction with the homepod mini.
And they are about to repeat this error once more.
In hindsight, they should have started with the Mini, and then later on, gone higher end with the Big homepod.
It feels like we are going to get an initial flood of coverage when the Vison Pro lanches. Tons of YouTube reviews, demo's of the 1st gen titles some devs have worked on, lots of initial "wow, amazing" type articles.
Then it's going to go very very quiet.
And we'll from time to time see a story about some company using it for some task.
Normal people will hardly even notice it, and just carry on with their iphones as normal.
And we'll just be sitting around for the vastly cheaper model for another few years.
I could very well be totally wrong, but we'll see how it goes.
At literally any price.
Meta knows the market it's going for and will be selling (in about 6 weeks time from now) their new model to that established market.
Apple (as we know) are not interested in THAT market.
Now, I'm actually 100% certain that in the long distance future the majority of people will want AR devices, but we are so so so very far from this being a reality hardware wise. 5 / 10 / 20 years?
To get normal people who today have a phone to start wearing something on their face will require hardware we can only dream about today.
So winding back to who'd going to buy the Vison Pro 1 or probably even v2 or v3 (if it lasts to a v3)
Gamers (which Apple is ignoring officially)
Some content creators, Tech fans, YouTubers, and some business cases.
I really want AR/VR to succeed and I know it's the long term future (when the hardware is there)
But I can also see the possibility that this Launches and after 2 to 3 years it's cancelled till the hardware catches up.
As I've said before..... I'm no Meta Fanboy, but I do wonder if they have the better plan.
Build something people who want it can afford today, and then, over many generations and many years make the hardware and software better and better, taking your customers along for the gradual ride, and as improvements are made, bring on-board more customers.
Just as Apple did with the iPhone and iPad and many other products.
Making a product Almost no-one can afford (when I say no-one I mean a typical iPhone customer) and almost no-one wants and saying that in 5 / 10 years we might have something you want/can afford is a very odd method of marketing.
I can't help but keep thinking of the Original Homepod mistake and the later correction with the homepod mini.
And they are about to repeat this error once more.
In hindsight, they should have started with the Mini, and then later on, gone higher end with the Big homepod.
It feels like we are going to get an initial flood of coverage when the Vison Pro lanches. Tons of YouTube reviews, demo's of the 1st gen titles some devs have worked on, lots of initial "wow, amazing" type articles.
Then it's going to go very very quiet.
And we'll from time to time see a story about some company using it for some task.
Normal people will hardly even notice it, and just carry on with their iphones as normal.
And we'll just be sitting around for the vastly cheaper model for another few years.
I could very well be totally wrong, but we'll see how it goes.
You’re right, I also think launching a AR/VR device at £4k is alienating potential customers in the future. So much of the articles and press this ‘not yet launched’ device has received is the reaction to its price point. Many will just ignore it from now on and try products that are much cheaper IMO. The danger then is the potential for the ‘HomePod effect’ where consumers have invested in other devices and when the price does eventually come down, people have simply moved on. If Apple are not intending this to be a mass consumer product, then fair enough.
I don't think so, but if reviewers are moved to tears and it is truly declared as something revolutionary then maybe I'll get swayed.
Gen 1 might become obsolete relatively fast though, so maybe I'd just be in the market for the 2nd gen VP. Apple can definitely eat the loss of a slow adoption-rate with a new product.
Gen 1 might become obsolete relatively fast though, so maybe I'd just be in the market for the 2nd gen VP. Apple can definitely eat the loss of a slow adoption-rate with a new product.
Indeed and I fear what you said there is exactly the problem for "Mass Market"
People who are tech fans and games will/would without hesitation buy a headset for $500 if the experience looked good enough.
Needing to constantly charge such a device and the fact of wearing something like this strapped onto the front of your face is worth it to these people simply to get the experience.
I'd put myself into this camp. I love the virtual World experience and am willing to put up with the issues of wearing one.
But you are not going to get your normal iPhone family member to do this.
A small percentage perhaps but still very small.
As said before, I can't see this becoming mainstream for perhaps even 10 years from now.
The hardware is just not there yet.
It will be one day, but getting the hardware down to a size that normal people will just be happy to wear and perhaps an all day battery is so so far into the future it's not even worth thinking about yet.
Again, this is what was so weird about Apple's adverts/video's for the product.
They were showing device A, but making it out it's for scenario Z
And totally ignoring the entire market of all the people who currently use (put up with wearing) such devices.
Yes, but I do have professional interest to owning and experimenting with one (HCI / Computational neuroscience research). And will most likely be a tax deductible.
Like many Apple stuff better skip Gen 1. Next will be better/cheaper.
Best rule of thumb. No exception. With a big innovation like VR, there will be hundreds of bugs, oversights and low hanging fruit improvements that won't have been uncovered by a closed beta.
However if you travel alot, are a tech influencer or don't want to buy a home cinema then it will be worth considering.
Just putting this thought out there.....
What if Apple are planning to drop the price at their launch event?
Perhaps, either due to actually sneaky planning to trick the market, or a genuine drop in manufacturing costs, or a re-think due to public feedback, Apple drops say $500 to $1000 off the launch price.
Let's say they did that (for whatever of those 3 reasons) how do you think the market would react?
Negative as whilst a drop is nice, it may be seen as lack of confidence on Apple's part.
Positive as it will open to product up to a wider market as Apple have been showing in their marketing so far?
You Thoughts on a surprise Launch price drop?
What if Apple are planning to drop the price at their launch event?
Perhaps, either due to actually sneaky planning to trick the market, or a genuine drop in manufacturing costs, or a re-think due to public feedback, Apple drops say $500 to $1000 off the launch price.
Let's say they did that (for whatever of those 3 reasons) how do you think the market would react?
Negative as whilst a drop is nice, it may be seen as lack of confidence on Apple's part.
Positive as it will open to product up to a wider market as Apple have been showing in their marketing so far?
You Thoughts on a surprise Launch price drop?
Nothing to be gained by doing this. They aren't going to drop the price enough to get it to a wider audience ... so just keep the price where it is. Small discounts may come thru third party retailers.
Remember the launch of the iPod? “At $399 who will buy that when you can get an mp3 player for $30”
Remember the iPhone launch? “There's no chance that the iPhone is going to get any significant market share," Steve Balmer said in April, 2007. "No chance. It's a $500 subsidized item.”
Remember the launch of the Apple Watch? “Yawn.” John Dvorak, PC Magazine
We might be surprised, again.
I personally think we’ll see tech from the Vision Pro on our iPhone/Mac soon. How about eye tracking to select items on the screen? We already have some hand motions being recognized by the iPhone.
Remember the iPhone launch? “There's no chance that the iPhone is going to get any significant market share," Steve Balmer said in April, 2007. "No chance. It's a $500 subsidized item.”
Remember the launch of the Apple Watch? “Yawn.” John Dvorak, PC Magazine
We might be surprised, again.
I personally think we’ll see tech from the Vision Pro on our iPhone/Mac soon. How about eye tracking to select items on the screen? We already have some hand motions being recognized by the iPhone.
Still just iOS apps on a bigger screen, still no killer app. It would be cheaper for a potential dev with a good idea, that's nice.
Unapologetically so. Familiarity across devices is what has made Apple, was it is today. From Apple Watch and Apple TV to iPhone and Apple CarPlay, the learning curve is not steep.
Decreasing the price is an option. However, they don't have to because there is no competition.
PSVR: Great price and tech but limited to PS5 owners and for hardcore gaming only.
Meta Quest3: Great price and tech not extremely limited content. Meta has a PR and reputation problem. They will struggle to find content partners.
Barriers to competing are sky high. Apple have 3-5 years and $xxb head start on anyone who would be brave enough to build a Vision competitor.
