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At $3,500, will you buy a Vision Pro?
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I'm torn - I will definitely own one eventually, but I'm just trying to figure out whether I want to wait for the second generation or not. At $3500+ it's definitely not a product I'll be buying all the generations of (like I do with iPhones), so I have to pick my generation of entry carefully. I suspect the second-gen will get 3nm processors, which may include huge efficiency gains, and also right a lot of first-gen wrongs with lessons that Apple learns during initial production and mass usage. On the other hand, the second-gen might not be out for another ~three years and the first-gen looks incredible enough that I might not want to wait that long.
with you all the way. I want the Gen 2 or gen 3 version, but I want it in June 2023, not March 2024 or July 2027. (I actually want it in about 2002, but that ship sailed a long time ago!)
“Definitely not” for me.
It’s an over-engineered yet under- powered, extremely expensive niche product that comes with all kinds of limitations and is not ready for prime time.
Over- engineered: they pumped all available technology into this thing and even developed a brand new chip - no matter the cost. It’s like showing the world: this is what we can do and this is our price for it.
Under-powered: by an M2 chip. I love the M2 (efficiency!) but it’s not fast enough to drive 2 x 4K displays in 3D. Period. This makes the Vision Pro an AR only device not capable of real VR. $3500 for an AR device? No thanks.
Niche product: it doesn’t do anything totally new. Navigation might even be quicker with a mouse on a large wide-screen monitor. 3D movies are great for sure but the movie industry pretty much stopped shooting in 3D.
Limitations: I bet 2 hours on the battery is a best case scenario. What if only ONE of the 12 built in cameras (or other components) malfunctions? They didn’t mention Apple care for a reason…
And since I’m wearing glasses I do have more doubts as well.
Not ready for prime time: What a well crafted presentation! but not a single unit for journalists to try out. Available maybe sometime in 2024.
It’s an over-engineered yet under- powered, extremely expensive niche product that comes with all kinds of limitations and is not ready for prime time.
Over- engineered: they pumped all available technology into this thing and even developed a brand new chip - no matter the cost. It’s like showing the world: this is what we can do and this is our price for it.
Under-powered: by an M2 chip. I love the M2 (efficiency!) but it’s not fast enough to drive 2 x 4K displays in 3D. Period. This makes the Vision Pro an AR only device not capable of real VR. $3500 for an AR device? No thanks.
Niche product: it doesn’t do anything totally new. Navigation might even be quicker with a mouse on a large wide-screen monitor. 3D movies are great for sure but the movie industry pretty much stopped shooting in 3D.
Limitations: I bet 2 hours on the battery is a best case scenario. What if only ONE of the 12 built in cameras (or other components) malfunctions? They didn’t mention Apple care for a reason…
And since I’m wearing glasses I do have more doubts as well.
Not ready for prime time: What a well crafted presentation! but not a single unit for journalists to try out. Available maybe sometime in 2024.
If the price is dropped down to like in American money $999 the SE model. That might be a good range. But as I see it at the moment if there is a business application to do this I would highly recommend buying it.
This is the exact reply I was coming here to make, nailed it.
I wouldn't buy one even for £9.99p for fear of looking like a real wally! Now a prototype bee-keepers helmet perhaps, because as a collectable it should hold it's price far better.......😛
But seriously we have to feel either sorry for the early adopters for throwing huge wads of money at a product in it's infancy, or commend them for backing Apple and taking a risk for a non-esssential product which will be quasi obsolete within 18months.
Not sure I would be ready to spend $3,500. If business is real good the next 6-10 months before its actual release, maybe it will be doable.
Might also be a good investment to buy one or two and keep them in the original packaging. If it's anything like the first iPhone in 10 years you can probably sell the unboxed version for $35,000 each. Might beat market returns or even crypto by a big amount.
Oh, and get ready for a whole new wave of 3D "adult" material recorded on this thing haha. If it uses augmented reality to "project" that material right onto your bed, well, this is going to end up taking off in that niche for sure.
And that's just the thing. In a year from now when some developers create killer content and apps for it, it might take off. But if it is just a novelty for some games and media consumption ("watch a 100 inch TV anywhere you go... or even in a small dorm") then it will definitely have some market but rarely be seen in the wild.
Might also be a good investment to buy one or two and keep them in the original packaging. If it's anything like the first iPhone in 10 years you can probably sell the unboxed version for $35,000 each. Might beat market returns or even crypto by a big amount.
Oh, and get ready for a whole new wave of 3D "adult" material recorded on this thing haha. If it uses augmented reality to "project" that material right onto your bed, well, this is going to end up taking off in that niche for sure.
And that's just the thing. In a year from now when some developers create killer content and apps for it, it might take off. But if it is just a novelty for some games and media consumption ("watch a 100 inch TV anywhere you go... or even in a small dorm") then it will definitely have some market but rarely be seen in the wild.
I'm not in the target audience at this stage. I'll wait for a more mainstream version with even more features for the Mac..
Would be really interested to learn about what sort of FOV the headset provides. Apple's video shows it as fully immersive but I don't know what that translates to when you have the headset on.
If the FOV is "better" than the competition just now, I'd be highly likely to drop the $3500 (well, the GBP equivalent) to buy one. I was planning on getting workspace monitors and maybe an OLED TV in the near future, will hold off until I can get a try of one of these.
One thing I'd be really interested in is if I can grab inputs from other sources like a PS5 and run it into the headset. Won't be optimistic about it, but that would be easily be a massive +1 for me.
If the FOV is "better" than the competition just now, I'd be highly likely to drop the $3500 (well, the GBP equivalent) to buy one. I was planning on getting workspace monitors and maybe an OLED TV in the near future, will hold off until I can get a try of one of these.
One thing I'd be really interested in is if I can grab inputs from other sources like a PS5 and run it into the headset. Won't be optimistic about it, but that would be easily be a massive +1 for me.
Yes. I've been thinking about my next mac. I thought maybe a Mac Studio / Mac Mini with a 120hz >=5K display (which doesn't exist yet). But the Vision Pro checks all the boxes plus it does a whole lot more. The biggest downside for me is that in order for me to do work, I would still need to have a separate Mac (for as far as I know, the thing itself cannot run MacOS), because I still need desktop apps and docker and the terminal. Maybe that will also somehow be possible in the future, that would be awesome.
No chance. At a much lower price I would have taken a punt but this first gen product is clearly aimed at Devs and people who like to take a gamble, so I'll perhaps jump in a few years down the line.
The $ to £ conversion is also horrific so we'll be paying significantly more for it in the UK than the US. It's just too much money.
The $ to £ conversion is also horrific so we'll be paying significantly more for it in the UK than the US. It's just too much money.
Not for me, I'm happy using an iPhone and a MacBook. Don't even have an iPad 😆
All my entertainment is either on my 65'inch OLED or real world.
But hey, not going to negate Apple's effort on all the tech going into Vision Pro. Good for people who find a use case out of it. I appreciate technology in general but doesn't mean I need to have it all 😃.
All my entertainment is either on my 65'inch OLED or real world.
But hey, not going to negate Apple's effort on all the tech going into Vision Pro. Good for people who find a use case out of it. I appreciate technology in general but doesn't mean I need to have it all 😃.
Just waiting for them to bring it out in Rose Gold, so you can say you are looking through rose tinted specs. It is defiant I think to bring out something so expensive when many struggle financially at the moment. They are very nice but are they really needed? I feel I have no real use for them, personally.
it will be good accessory use times when you have nothing but wait to do. Interested in the business application
No, not a chance, sorry apple but you can’t convince me that spending that level of money on a product which is likely going to make workflows even more difficult and clunky.
Imagine the scenarios…
Typing something up…
I can either whip out my phone open pages and get cracking, same with my iPad or my Mac..
Or
Go in my drawer grab my headset which is likely going to be in a case, place it on my head, realise I never charged my battery as I watched a third of avatar 2 the night before which killed my battery, then proceed to get my laptop/iPad/iPhone out…
This product is going to be amazing for the first week, then when the novelty factor wears off and it’s realised that it will need charging a good few times a day and all the hassle of getting it out the drawer and putting it on your head etc it will end up as a dust collector I can guarantee it.
Products should easily fit into your daily life (as Tim says) and this just simply doesn’t I’m afraid
Imagine the scenarios…
Typing something up…
I can either whip out my phone open pages and get cracking, same with my iPad or my Mac..
Or
Go in my drawer grab my headset which is likely going to be in a case, place it on my head, realise I never charged my battery as I watched a third of avatar 2 the night before which killed my battery, then proceed to get my laptop/iPad/iPhone out…
This product is going to be amazing for the first week, then when the novelty factor wears off and it’s realised that it will need charging a good few times a day and all the hassle of getting it out the drawer and putting it on your head etc it will end up as a dust collector I can guarantee it.
Products should easily fit into your daily life (as Tim says) and this just simply doesn’t I’m afraid
Since I live in a country with a chitcoin as currency and a 25% sales tax on top of that, it will likely cost the equivalent of about 2-3 months net income for the average Swede.
Most people don’t even have that much in their “rainy day”-fund.
I get that it’s amazing tech but to 95%(?) of people this isn’t doing all that much more than any of the $349 headsets out there and to maybe 75%(?) of people it’s not really doing much more than one of those cardboard boxes for your smartphone to put on your face.
Gen 1 probably won’t come to EU anyway. Just like HomePod.
YouTubers will likely buy them all so Apple will do ok anyway
Most people don’t even have that much in their “rainy day”-fund.
I get that it’s amazing tech but to 95%(?) of people this isn’t doing all that much more than any of the $349 headsets out there and to maybe 75%(?) of people it’s not really doing much more than one of those cardboard boxes for your smartphone to put on your face.
Gen 1 probably won’t come to EU anyway. Just like HomePod.
YouTubers will likely buy them all so Apple will do ok anyway
On hold, at least for a few years. I wear glasses and need a pretty strong prescription. I need to see if 1) I can get lenses in my prescription and 2) how much they will cost (and to see if my insurance will cover some of the cost).
Even if the Vision Pro was a tenth of the current price, if I can’t get the lenses, it’s a no go for me.
Even if the Vision Pro was a tenth of the current price, if I can’t get the lenses, it’s a no go for me.
I just dont see the ROI in the purchase. For $3500, I would need to have a use for it for 1-2 hours a day, or have it replace a mission critical workload.
No, but I get why they are targeting early adopters, prosumers and professionals first. Launching the full product line would likely set them up for failure. It would be crazy to try and support just two SKUs, let alone one. I think we'll see a full product lineup, but it'll be a couple of years. This product covers A LOT of ground, I'm still struggling with its productivity possibilities after watching the presentation. I'll be waiting until the 3rd or 4th gen for this product, probably the Vision or Vision Air (if they use the iPad naming scheme).
When the Watch debuted, there was only one model for a couple of years before it was built out to have an SE model, then they added Ultra last year.
When the Watch debuted, there was only one model for a couple of years before it was built out to have an SE model, then they added Ultra last year.