exactly $30 is more but oh well, its for faster data. The unlimited data never included messages so I don't know where anyone was thinking that idea. The text messages come with the voice plan, which starts at 39.99 and includes 200 messages just like the older plans, the $30 is strictly an increase for unlimited data, big deal.
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AT&T and Apple Tightening Policies to Reduce iPhone Unlocking
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thank you for this info. hopefully this is true, because that could make a big difference for ppl who dont need data 24/7
i never said they promised it. i never said they werent justified. i just said it sucks. GET IT THROUGH YOUR THICK SKULLS.
in theory, assuming that you can somehow buy it without signing an att contract. Which they seem to have completely eliminated by making you purchase the phone with a contract.
So for the UK do you reckon its going to be possible to buy a 8gb payg iphonev2 and then be able to unlock it to use any sim card ( aka an o2 contract sim card)???????
Yes it will be as they're not making have a contract so you can get out of PAYG easy.
Official vodafone comunication, reported on all main italian sites (telefonino.net , hwupgrade.it, etc).
It's HERE at the bottom is prices.
ah so it is only the initial iphone cost you need to worry about then
Should not be more than £199 though not bad.
I doubt its gonna be 200 quid for a payg iphone!
Other wise everyone would just get that, take it home and unlock it, then its going to be the whole unlocking process all over again.
I predict the payg iphones to be more around 350 400 mark!
1. There is no confirmation at all, or even indication, that AT&T is paying Apple more than $199 per phone. Meaning, there is no indication whatsoever of a standard subsidy. For all AT&T has indicated and said directly, they will sell us the iPhone for the price Apple has dictated, which is the price Apple charges: $199. Period. AT&T is out nothing.
2. Defaulting on a contract is not equivalent to stealing the dollar value of the contract, for in exchange for the dollar value of the contract one expects to receive like value of goods. A contract has a maximum value of materials exchanged to initiate it. If that is $200 (again, your supposition entirely, not supported by any external facts), then the value of the contract is $200. If that is $0, then the value of the contract is $0.
So much for business standards of support
The in-store activation alone is a deal-breaker simply in terms of having to replace a phone under warranty. Do they ship you a DOA replacement already activated? What do they do with corporate customers, make you go to the nearest AT&T or Apple store? This policy is going to last all of about two months. It's idiotic.
The in-store activation alone is a deal-breaker simply in terms of having to replace a phone under warranty. Do they ship you a DOA replacement already activated? What do they do with corporate customers, make you go to the nearest AT&T or Apple store? This policy is going to last all of about two months. It's idiotic.
I dunno really as Steve said no more that 199 around the world but I don't mind £300.
It seems to me that they're simply going back to the "traditional" method of activating phones that's been in use for years. I suspect what will happen is they sign you up to a contract and scan the IMEI and SIM card numbers from the outside of the box which will tie them up on their system. Then when you get home and plug the phone in, it will activate automatically when the two match what's already on their system. For warranty replacements, they'd either update the new IMEI number to your existing SIM card in store, or else ship one out and you phone a CSR with the details when you get the new phone.
This is how every new phone I've bought over the last 10 years or so before the iPhone was handled and the simple reason for it is to make sure you're tied into a contract before you leave the store. If you then subsequently unlock it, you still have your contract to pay so they don't lose out.
http://www.att.com/gen/press-room?pid=4800&cdvn=news&newsarticleid=25791
If they aren't paying apple a subsidy, why are they warning about the subsidy affecting earnings on their Apple 3G iPhone intro page.
I agree completely...
How long does Apple think it is going to take to get everyone through that iPhone line on July 11th now that they have signed up to do all of ATT's activations for them. It's gonna be a disaster at the stores for sure. All Apple store employees will now be ATT activation reps, nice job Steve!
How long does Apple think it is going to take to get everyone through that iPhone line on July 11th now that they have signed up to do all of ATT's activations for them. It's gonna be a disaster at the stores for sure. All Apple store employees will now be ATT activation reps, nice job Steve!
Honestly, has anyone ever priced a smartphone in Asia? You can't buy a reputable 3g flip or slider for under $300 to $400 US. Smartphones run $500 to $1000 US.
It's obvious that you buy an iPhone, sign up with ATT and pay the termination fee if you want to go the unlock route. You'll own a device that will cost you less US dollars then the crappiest BB or Nokia available worldwide.
The new iPhone is a bargain at $500 to $600 US dollars. Shop around the world and you'll see that the device is fairly priced even if you pay ATT to terminate.
And besides, even if the termination fee is $250, the base model iPhone 3g will only cost you $450.
You're buying into a "platform". If you don't see the benefit, buy something else. Apple is going to do just fine without you.
It's obvious that you buy an iPhone, sign up with ATT and pay the termination fee if you want to go the unlock route. You'll own a device that will cost you less US dollars then the crappiest BB or Nokia available worldwide.
The new iPhone is a bargain at $500 to $600 US dollars. Shop around the world and you'll see that the device is fairly priced even if you pay ATT to terminate.
And besides, even if the termination fee is $250, the base model iPhone 3g will only cost you $450.
You're buying into a "platform". If you don't see the benefit, buy something else. Apple is going to do just fine without you.
Apart from this you mean?: This clearly states that the phone is subsidized by AT&T:
In the near term, AT&T anticipates that the new agreement will likely result in some pressure on margins and earnings, reflecting the costs of subsidized device pricing, which, in turn, is expected to drive increased subscriber volumes.
All of this talk leaves a bad taste in my mouth. I think that Apple dropped the price and let the carriers have it their way in order to quickly increase market share. Apple has the AppStore + iTunes to make additional revenue without having to share with the carriers.
Not making excuses, but this policy is the same as for other phones you purchase under contract from most carriers here in the US, including AT&T. You have to sign the contract and pick a phone and plan all at the same time. When replacing a broken phone (insurance replacement), I think you call your carrier and they program it over the AIR without going to the store.
The only thing I'm going to bitch about...
Is the fact that I have to activate it at the store.
Now, I know I'm jumping to conclusions here since nothing formal has been released as to the process, but I really don't want some ill-informed AT&T neanderthal, who has no clue that Apple makes computers too, opening MY box and touching MY iPhone before me. This is sacrilegious!
The fact that I ordered MY iPhone online, opened it up in MY home, plugged it into MY Mac, launched MY itunes was a great experience.
Most of the time, these workers don't even know anything about the plans or the phones themselves. Case in point: We get new cell phones in Feb 07. Told the AT&T(then Cingular) worker that I wouldn't get an iPhone until they dropped the price. The worker proceeded to tell me that Cingular was going to offer huge discounts on the iPhone when it came out and that I would be able to pick one up for $99 with signing a new 2 year contract. I looked at them like they had lobsters crawling out of their ears. I asked them where they heard that, the response was classic. "Every phone company offers those kind of deals." I chuckled at her and told her that she was in for a rude awakening because Apple wasn't going to have any of that. She didn't believe me. Hmmmmm..... who was correct in this situation?????
The more I think of it the more I am uneasy with the iPhone being this cheap. The iPhone will become the next iPod at the Apple Store... Some snot nosed teenager standing in line because his iPhone won't work and there I am purchasing a new MacBook Pro, while the Apple Store employees treat him better than me.... Go Figure!
Is the fact that I have to activate it at the store.
Now, I know I'm jumping to conclusions here since nothing formal has been released as to the process, but I really don't want some ill-informed AT&T neanderthal, who has no clue that Apple makes computers too, opening MY box and touching MY iPhone before me. This is sacrilegious!
The fact that I ordered MY iPhone online, opened it up in MY home, plugged it into MY Mac, launched MY itunes was a great experience.
Most of the time, these workers don't even know anything about the plans or the phones themselves. Case in point: We get new cell phones in Feb 07. Told the AT&T(then Cingular) worker that I wouldn't get an iPhone until they dropped the price. The worker proceeded to tell me that Cingular was going to offer huge discounts on the iPhone when it came out and that I would be able to pick one up for $99 with signing a new 2 year contract. I looked at them like they had lobsters crawling out of their ears. I asked them where they heard that, the response was classic. "Every phone company offers those kind of deals." I chuckled at her and told her that she was in for a rude awakening because Apple wasn't going to have any of that. She didn't believe me. Hmmmmm..... who was correct in this situation?????
The more I think of it the more I am uneasy with the iPhone being this cheap. The iPhone will become the next iPod at the Apple Store... Some snot nosed teenager standing in line because his iPhone won't work and there I am purchasing a new MacBook Pro, while the Apple Store employees treat him better than me.... Go Figure!
So I'm naive, and my analogy isn't accurate? Lets take a look at your post, but still use my analogy:
You're not being forced to go and purchase the food, nor are you "forced to sit in and eat in a place you don't want to". Choose another restaurant. If you want home delivery, why order from a restaurant that doesn't offer home delivery, and why would you still expect it to be delivered? In fact, the restaurant NEVER offered home delivery. They were just being nice by not really trying to stop customers from placing orders that way. Now they are, as it was always explicitly stated that you couldn't get it delivered.
You made too much sense.
You too.