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Ughh, what a bunch of whiners (the people who are screaming unlimited means no throttling).

As has been stated, there is such a thing as fair use. ATT has every right to protect the integrity of their service to other customers - and to take reasonable measures to ensure good quality service to everyone. This includes issuing warnings and throttling bandwidth (as per their agreements with everyone).

Such a culture of entitlement and excess with these people. Makes me sick.:(

Then in that case, why even offer an unlimited plan in the first place?

Or rather, let me then pose this question: What do you feel is a "fair" rate of usage by a subscriber who has signed up for the unlimited usage plan? What exactly are they paying so much for? Can anyone crunch the numbers to find out for that price, how much would they be "entitled" to?

First, if you are so intent on making sure people get what they pay for, why aren't you supporting those people who have their internet experience significantly degraded by these "top 5%"?

It is AT&T's responsibility to ensure every subscriber gets what they pay for. Likewise, these people are likely in the minority. I don't believe that these group's usage habits alone can significantly slow down the network that much. It is the actions of each and every AT&T user who determines the speed of the network, not just those in the unlimited data plan.
 
Hmmm...

More and more of new technologies is based on streaming.

Now factor in "unlimited" data plans now being limited via these indirect shoddy tactics. AT&T is inciting a breach of contract, and the customer should be able to opt out without paying a penalty.

But back to the point, the more we become dependent on streaming, it is interesting to note data caps and overuse fees.

Even landline broadband service providers (e.g. Comcast) have usage meters and will charge after a certain point (albeit 250GB -- for now...)

Doesn't make streaming, especially of video, so palatable anymore...

If people really love streaming, they should be careful for what they wish. Because they'll get it... oh, and then they'll get it.

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If the shoe fits, dude....if the shoe fits. I called them that not because the are using so much data specifically, but because they act like they DESERVE to have it and they complain even though they signed a contract that clearly states that AT&T can change the rules.

Hence the self-entitled comment.

What's the point of a contract if the contract-maker can change things on their whim, but the contract signer isn't allowed equal... freedom?

Seems "self-entitlement" is bad for customers but okay for companies?

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Macrumors just reported a few weeks ago that Sprint will start throttling as well so...

Very true.

They've raised early contract-termination fees as well, which are now on par with AT&T.

Like the old saying goes,

"We have them exactly where they want us."
 
What's the point of a contract if the contract-maker can change things on their whim, but the contract signer isn't allowed equal... freedom?
There is no such thing as a contract maker. Someone writes it, but there's no special rights granted to that person, and it doesn't have to be (and frequently is not) the actual parties of the contract. Both of the signers of the contracts are bound by it.

So yeah, if AT&T actually changed something material in the contract, you could get out of it or force them to honor the contract. But they're not really changing anything. Next time read your contract before signing it.
 
12GB/mo is standard for data plans in Singapore. Cheapest voice + data starts at about $30. (no restrictions on tethering)
 
It is exactly the right approach. Let me explain... I bought my first Macintosh Quadra 605 in 1993 with what was considered a large hard drive (160 MB). Today, I'm lucky to barely fit just iTunes + Quicktime on this very same drive. Why is this? Cause we are writing in higher-level languages with a lot more multimedia content embedded in the package.

Last time I checked, I can't get iTunes from Apple via CD/DVD. I couldn't even get Lion on physical media when it initially released. I have to get it from somewhere.

Guess I'll have to use the Internet.

As a responsible member of the Internet, I'm expected to keep my system and all software packages patched. Where will I download those patches (some released daily/weekly)?

Guess I'll have to use the Internet.

If you want to talk smartphones instead, we can do that too. iOS 5 will have over-the-air updates. If these updates are anywhere near what they currently are, you're talking roughly 250MB per update! Add in apps from the App Store (that are getting increasingly larger), e-mail attachments, web browsing, Internet multimedia services, and a whole other large reason to own a smartphone and 2GB looks pretty lame.

Do you even understand what "text-based" means? Files nowadays may still contain text, but they are far from being standard ASCII text a few Kb in size. Have you looked at the size of a Word document lately? Some large ones can be a couple of megs. How about PDFs with embedded images? Last one I downloaded for a work function was 4MB.

You can talk all day about how bandwidth-friendly Pandora is, but that is far from the truth. When AT&T started rolling out 2GB plans and starting to phase out unlimited, I took the time to look at my usage and determine if I could save $10 a month on two phones. My usage, rather moderate, tallied up to just under 1.5GB a month. My wife, who couldn't tell you how to use anything other than Safari, Mail and Pandora on her phone, managed to rack up 4GB in one month!

If you think home usage will plateau, you are insane. It will grow exponentially for years to come. You wanna talk about 1080p video when Intel is busy prepping chipsets for 4k-capable displays. Apple and Microsoft are hard at work adding higher-definition icons, wallpapers, etc to their software packages. What does this mean? Larger software package, larger updates, more bandwidth usage.

Bottom line is that Internet services are exploding and these carriers are too busy filling the pockets of their top brass instead of putting that cash into their infrastructures. Large infrastructure replacement/upgrades are extremely expensive (not to mention the employees to make it all happen), but they are too interested in paying a CEO 8 and 9 figure salaries with golden parachutes for when they screw up.

I don't really care about your computer, that's what a home internet connection is for. Also, although I am lazy and do app updates over 3G, users who are using more data and need to start saving it can do those over wifi, which doesn't count against their cap. Same for system updates and the like. I am a pretty heavy user of my Android phone, and I use 3G exclusively, and my usage has gone up to a whopping 300-700MB/mo, including app updates, Email, web, apps, syncing 8 bajillion things, syncing all my uploaded pictures, uploading more pictures, etc etc etc.

You can download a lot of 50KB documents, and even plenty of 4MB PDFs before that 2GB cap is anywhere in sight. There's also a practical limit to what you can do on 3G and on these mobile devices before it just gets too slow to do in the first place.

4GB is a LOT of data, must be a LOT of Pandora. She should try using wifi when available, and using the lower bitrate when on the cell network. Sounds just as good on earbuds, and it saves half the bandwidth and quite a bit of battery to boot.

Data will plateau at 1080p, possible even 720p, as people can't see the difference between that and anything higher. Some people today still watch SD, and while I can sort of see the difference between 720p and 1080p, it's hard. There is no point to going to 4k except for the extreme enthusiasts.

Software does get bigger over time, but there was also the push-back like on Windows 7, where Microsoft had to take some of the bloat out. It would be nice if they would keep the envelope size down to that of Win2K, but at least they did cut back from Vista, even though it's not as small as XP.

At a certain point, however, that will all plateau too.

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Oh, and the cheaper, effectively unlimited data helped to push me onto a smartphone. It was inevitable, but even $5/mo made it a little bit more palatable.
 
Exactly. AT&T can't provide the service they advertised? Too bad.

Imagine if I lost my job and couldn't afford to pay my AT&T bill. Imagine if I started "throttling" my payments so they came more slowly and arrived late - but I still paid the full amount eventually.

Would AT&T be alright with that?

Your contract with AT&T doesn't allow you to do that, it does allow AT&T to throttle accounts when necessary to keep the network functioning properly.
 
Seems like ATT keeps wanting to push away their iPhone users. Hopefully more options will open up over the next year or two. Still feels like they're overcharging for their service.
 
6.10 DataConnect Plans
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A voice plan is not required with DataConnect plans.

We may, at our discretion, suspend your account if we believe your data usage is excessive, unusual or is better suited to another rate plan. If you are on a data plan that does not include a monthly MB/GB allowance and additional data usage rates, you agree that AT&T has the right to impose additional charges if you use more than 5 GB in a month; provided that, prior to the imposition of any additional charges, AT&T shall provide you with notice and you shall have the right to terminate your Data Service.

This is what it says in the contract which is current, as I just copied it from their website. So it looks to me like my unlimited data plan is completely unlimited all the way up to 5GB and then they will decide if they want to charge me more money or leave me alone. Luckily they have to notify me first so I can tell them I'm done. Is it BS? Yes, but when almost all the customers let them get away with it, as is evident in this thread, nothing will change and they will continue to take more and more away.
 
Excellent. This just like India's new SMS limitation policy. You can buy unlimited data, but your Internet will stop working once you reach 10GB… :rolleyes:
 
Oldest and least profitable. They won't be missed.

Honestly, I wish AT&T would just wipe out the grandfather clause and force the few people still on 2-year unlimited data contracts to select new ones as their original contracts end. That way we'd only have one bitch-fest here and it would be done with.

Unlimited cell data is a thing of the past. Mobile data usage is completely different from two years ago, and expecting to consume more and more at a flat rate is unreasonable. Curl up in bed, have a good cry, and get over it.

Or maybe you're just mad that you didn't get in on unlimited data before it wen't away. Why would they force maybe 5% of their overall users off a plan that was discontinued to new subscribers over a year ago? The flow of people leaving unlimited data will happen naturally.

Enjoy your tiered data future while me and the few others enjoy our grandfathered status.
 
Or maybe you're just mad that you didn't get in on unlimited data before it wen't away. Why would they force maybe 5% of their overall users off a plan that was discontinued to new subscribers over a year ago? The flow of people leaving unlimited data will happen naturally.

Enjoy your tiered data future while me and the few others enjoy our grandfathered status.

Or maybe you're just mad because you use an inordinately large amount of data. Any reasonable user will not be affected by these changes.
 
Really.

I was under the (mistaken) impression that when one pays for unlimited access, they get unlimited access.

You are still getting unlimited. Unlimited doesn't mean fast speeds. You will still get your data, just a lot slower than everyone else.
 
I'm grandfathered in with ATT but their service is terrible. I wish I could switch to sprint.

Tell me about it...and what is up with metro/sprint/Verizon being able to penetrate through new york walls with 4 to full bars but my att service get 1 bar to searching?
 
Tell me about it...and what is up with metro/sprint/Verizon being able to penetrate through new york walls with 4 to full bars but my att service get 1 bar to searching?

I have sprint now. and as much as the voice is better. The data is much much worse. I feel like sprint data speed = att/verizon data throttle
 
You are still getting unlimited. Unlimited doesn't mean fast speeds. You will still get your data, just a lot slower than everyone else.
We could all right scripts to keep sucking down data overnight on 2G just to piss off the tards, or hack tower requests to bring down ATT :cool:

Or maybe you're just mad because you use an inordinately large amount of data. Any reasonable user will not be affected by these changes.
Unlimited 4G LTE for now. :p

6.10 DataConnect Plans
6.10.1 What Are the General Terms that Apply to All DataConnect Plans? Print this section | Print this page
A voice plan is not required with DataConnect plans.

We may, at our discretion, suspend your account if we believe your data usage is excessive, unusual or is better suited to another rate plan. If you are on a data plan that does not include a monthly MB/GB allowance and additional data usage rates, you agree that AT&T has the right to impose additional charges if you use more than 5 GB in a month; provided that, prior to the imposition of any additional charges, AT&T shall provide you with notice and you shall have the right to terminate your Data Service.

This is what it says in the contract which is current, as I just copied it from their website. So it looks to me like my unlimited data plan is completely unlimited all the way up to 5GB and then they will decide if they want to charge me more money or leave me alone. Luckily they have to notify me first so I can tell them I'm done. Is it BS? Yes, but when almost all the customers let them get away with it, as is evident in this thread, nothing will change and they will continue to take more and more away.

Don't think that statement was in the contract I signed 4 years ago :rolleyes:
 
I don't really care about your computer, that's what a home internet connection is for. Also, although I am lazy and do app updates over 3G, users who are using more data and need to start saving it can do those over wifi, which doesn't count against their cap. Same for system updates and the like. I am a pretty heavy user of my Android phone, and I use 3G exclusively, and my usage has gone up to a whopping 300-700MB/mo, including app updates, Email, web, apps, syncing 8 bajillion things, syncing all my uploaded pictures, uploading more pictures, etc etc etc.

You can download a lot of 50KB documents, and even plenty of 4MB PDFs before that 2GB cap is anywhere in sight. There's also a practical limit to what you can do on 3G and on these mobile devices before it just gets too slow to do in the first place.

4GB is a LOT of data, must be a LOT of Pandora. She should try using wifi when available, and using the lower bitrate when on the cell network. Sounds just as good on earbuds, and it saves half the bandwidth and quite a bit of battery to boot.

Data will plateau at 1080p, possible even 720p, as people can't see the difference between that and anything higher. Some people today still watch SD, and while I can sort of see the difference between 720p and 1080p, it's hard. There is no point to going to 4k except for the extreme enthusiasts.

Software does get bigger over time, but there was also the push-back like on Windows 7, where Microsoft had to take some of the bloat out. It would be nice if they would keep the envelope size down to that of Win2K, but at least they did cut back from Vista, even though it's not as small as XP.

At a certain point, however, that will all plateau too.

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Oh, and the cheaper, effectively unlimited data helped to push me onto a smartphone. It was inevitable, but even $5/mo made it a little bit more palatable.

Why should she use Wi-Fi? She's paying out the tail for data service already. I'm getting kind of sick of these companies that use words like FREE and UNLIMITED as catchy buzzwords to gain customers, but once they have them, don't want to hold up their end of the bargain. They enjoy hiding behind contract language that redefines what the words FREE and UNLIMITED mean.

Video will NOT plateau at 720p or 1080p. High definition is redefined all the time. VHS, DVD and other similar technologies were all considered high definition at one point. Heck, even Capcom released Mega Man, stating that it had "high resolution graphics" in 1987. We haven't yet hit the point where what you see on the TV is as realistic as what you see with your own eyes. Until that occurs, I don't see any video format hitting a "plateau" anytime soon. 4k video and displays may initially be for the extreme enthusiast, but so were flat panel monitors, large hard drives, high speed Internet connections, and LED TVs a few years ago as well.

I wouldn't call Windows 7 "small" on any level. The reason why Windows 7 isn't as bloated as Vista is because Microsoft consolidated services and designed them to be less resource intensive. It has little or nothing to do with file sizes. Actually, Windows 7 and Windows Vista are very similar in the amount of space they fill on a DVD and on an installation. With Windows 8, chances are, the OS size will vary greatly because of the ARM, x86 and x64 versions that will need to be released...not to mention their 5 levels of Windows that they made so popular with Windows Vista.

I really don't see the Mac OS getting any smaller either. Sure, Lion gave Snow Leopard users some install space back, but keep in mind that Snow Leopard also contained many universal binaries and legacy code for Rosetta support. Applications were nearly twice their normal size because they still contained PowerPC support even if Snow Leopard was Intel only.
 
With Windows 8, chances are, the OS size will vary greatly because of the ARM, x86 and x64 versions that will need to be released...not to mention their 5 levels of Windows that they made so popular with Windows Vista.

But, I'd expect Microsoft to continue their kitting practice of separate kits for each architecture - ARM won't make the x64 kit any bigger.

As far as the editions go, note also that

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I really don't see the Mac OS getting any smaller either. Sure, Lion gave Snow Leopard users some install space back, but keep in mind that Snow Leopard also contained many universal binaries and legacy code for Rosetta support. Applications were nearly twice their normal size because they still contained PowerPC support even if Snow Leopard was Intel only.

The doubling would only refer to executable code inside application binaries (and only roughly be double). Application data, both inside the binaries and outside in separate files does not have to be duplicated.

Many applications have huge amounts of data - one mapping app that I have is 77 MiB of executables, and 4.531 GiB of data. Apps will lots of data or templates would be virtually the same size with or without fat binaries.
 
Seems like ATT keeps wanting to push away their iPhone users. Hopefully more options will open up over the next year or two. Still feels like they're overcharging for their service.

No... They just want to push away the top 2% of the users who use 70% of all the bandwidth but do not pay for it.

That is just smart business.
 
How many of the 5%ers said they are tethering to get home internet service. I have read maybe 1 or 2 people on this forums said they do that. Don't throw us into the same pile!

I use about 10 to 15 GB a month all during my commute or will at work. I use it on streaming slingbox, netflix and espn radio and youtube. Am I doing anything illegal? If I paid for unlimited data don't have the right to use as much of it as i like?

Silverbird it's a smartphone it is capable of doing many other things besides taking phone calls and text. Those of us who use it for the many other things are getting penalized for AT&T short sided thinking.

I agree that not everyone steals tethering and only 1 or 2 people on here have admitted to it. But I think most people will not admit to stealing tethering. The few that don't steal tethering and are still using over 10gb a month are being punished by AT&T because of the people that do steal tethering. Do you have a WiFi connection at work to connect to instead of using the data network?
 
How do you use 10-12GB on a phone, without sharing?

A) it's jailbroken and illegally tethering

B) ????

They don't have unlimited data with tethering. I don't feel bad for those getting throttled here, most likely (not all) they're obviously trying to get around AT&T. Unless I'm just crazy and it's possible to stream 12GB of data to a phone over AT&T's awful network.
 
This is a positive move for 95% of AT&T customers so it makes sense that they're are making a move like this even if it will certainly anger the top 5% of data users. That said anyone using upwards of 10 gig a month should expect some sort of throttling, especially anyone using a jailbroken iphone to tether their home internet off of, they've essentially circumvented the tethering fee and as a result shouldn't be complaining if they are throttled for high usage. If you pay the additional tethering charge then you have a legit complaint if your throttled though.
 
The solution to this is to give free tethering to everyone, but get rid of any unlimited plans, and continue to tier based on GB. That way there's no problem as to who used what for what. You pay $25, you get 2GB, more GB are $10/GB. That and they should offer the customer the option to throttle instead of overage charges. That would be unlimited, just after 2GB you only get maybe 200kbps.
 
6.10 DataConnect Plans
6.10.1 What Are the General Terms that Apply to All DataConnect Plans? Print this section | Print this page
A voice plan is not required with DataConnect plans.

We may, at our discretion, suspend your account if we believe your data usage is excessive, unusual or is better suited to another rate plan. If you are on a data plan that does not include a monthly MB/GB allowance and additional data usage rates, you agree that AT&T has the right to impose additional charges if you use more than 5 GB in a month; provided that, prior to the imposition of any additional charges, AT&T shall provide you with notice and you shall have the right to terminate your Data Service.

This is what it says in the contract which is current, as I just copied it from their website. So it looks to me like my unlimited data plan is completely unlimited all the way up to 5GB and then they will decide if they want to charge me more money or leave me alone. Luckily they have to notify me first so I can tell them I'm done. Is it BS? Yes, but when almost all the customers let them get away with it, as is evident in this thread, nothing will change and they will continue to take more and more away.
What you quoted has nothing to do with any Smart Phone plans. :rolleyes:
DataConnect plans are for USB dongles and tablets.

This is how BS rumor got started about the imaginary 5GB cap on unlimited plans a few years back.
 
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