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Here is what will happen

So I read the article and skimmed most of the replies, and here is my two cents.

AT&T / Cingular will offer discounted service. They will probably give away a $29.99 a month plan ... but a lot of people talk more than that (so you'll pay the difference) and then with that plan there is no internet time, so you'll have to pay for that. By the time everything comes, you are basically just getting a $30 (or whatever) discount on your bill.

So yes, "free service" is possible (but I still find that to be unlikely, they may offer a discount per month at best ...)

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If there's any kind of "unstandardized thinking" (to use the terms from a previous post) it should be that wireless carriers need to stop charging ridiculous prices for data.
My data plan with T-Mobile is only $19.99/month (unlimited) and combined with my BlackBerry Pearl includes instant notification for every type of incomming communication including imap, pop3, sms, mms, IM - you name it. It's a pretty good deal, IMHO.

IIRC, Cingular's comparable plan was around $35/month. I think I'll hang with T-Mobile and wait for an unlocked iPhone. I may have a bit of a problem with the wider form factor though...
 
I think there are a couple of things being smooshed together in the discussion here.

One is an incentive to get people to switch to the iPhone. I know that if I got at least $175 back some way or other, I would be much more likely to break my verizon contract. I think AT&T absolutely should do something here. They are only guranteed to have the iPhone exclusively for two years -- they should milk it for whatever they can.

Another thing is the idea that since Cingular isn't subsidizing their phones, they should subsidize their service. This, I think, is backwards. When phones are subsidized, subscribers are paying for the phones indirectly through higher rates on their service contract -- the money is coming from somewhere. Instead of subsidizing the service, Cingular should just offer cheaper service. That should be the true advantage to paying the cost of the phone up front: you are only paying for your service after that, not for your or someone else's phone. If they subsidize the service for 18 months (or whatever), it'll be cheaper than it should be for a while and then more expensive than it should be thereafter. Cut through this nonsense and just charge for the service.
 
Exciting news. Hope its true. I'm already getting 'Free iPhone' junk emails in my inbox :rolleyes:

Oh, and love the new 'con :apple:
 
Cost of iPhone service contract

At MacWorld Expo, the exact phrasing used in relation to the price of the iPhone was "$599 including a two-year contract," not "...with a two-year contract." There's a big difference! I asked the official iPhone answer man, but got a blank stare in reply.
 
Jeez, that's the best news I've heard since the introduction of the phone itself!

Every time I look at the thing I keep telling myself I'd pay just about any pricetag for it and then this comes along. I really hope it happens.
 
I don't know why everyone in the US seems to think its impossible for them give 18 months for free on a 24 month contract. They will make plenty of profit on the phone itself and other services, to cover the free months. You get the same, but the other way round, in the UK and have done for a long time.

My last three phones have been Sony P800, P900 and P910. I had to pay £50 for one of them whilst the other two were free - all with 12 month contracts of about £40 a month. At present I can get a P990 for free with a £35 x 18 month contract.

If Apple are going to insist on a £200-£300 price point with no discount in the UK, the carrier will have to give plenty of months tariff free to get anyone to buy it.

Maybe the US is just catching up with the UK mobile market?
 
I don't know why everyone in the US seems to think its impossible for them give 18 months for free on a 24 month contract. They will make plenty of profit on the phone itself and other services, to cover the free months. You get the same, but the other way round, in the UK and have done for a long time.

My last three phones have been Sony P800, P900 and P910. I had to pay £50 for one of them whilst the other two were free - all with 12 month contracts of about £40 a month. At present I can get a P990 for free with a £35 x 18 month contract.

If Apple are going to insist on a £200-£300 price point with no discount in the UK, the carrier will have to give plenty of months tariff free to get anyone to buy it.

Maybe the US is just catching up with the UK mobile market?

No, this is how it works in the US. But, more normally, you get a $200-300 dollar phone for free and pay $40 x 24, $960, to your cell phone carrier -- you are getting a lot less free than you are paying. This [rumor] sounds like paying $500 but getting at least $40 x 18, $720, back. That is very different than the way things work in the US or the UK.
 
Wow! This would be fantastic if true. It makes sense for AT&T to leverage the hottest, most talked about phone ever to put a HUGE gouge in it's competitor Verizon. Even if you had to pay to get out of your Verizon contract, they will have droves of people doing just that. Most people, due to the cell phone contracts, are very unlikley to switch unless given a big incentive. This would be it!:D
 
I don't buy it. A rumor that's too good to be true. If by some miracle the 18 free months is true watch it not count towards your 2 year contract. Effectively locking you into Cingular for 3.5 years and 24 months of paying for what will probably be ~$80/month for voice and data services....
 
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This is the stupidest thread I've seen here in a long time.
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This is the stupidest thread I've seen here in a long time.
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......Okay.

Anywho.. I just noticed that Engadget is now linking to this article. Very nice! While I personally doubt 18 months free, it now seems very likely that we will be at least getting some kind of discount. Most excellent!
 
HAS ANYONE ACTUALLY LISTENED TO THE CONFERENCE CALL???

I just skimmed through it, and maybe I missed it, but I heard no mention of such an arrangement. Anyone else like to have a listen to double check?

It is available here:

Cingular 4Q06 Earnings Call

Maybe Cramer's people had a separate meeting? If anyone does find where it is mentioned, please respond with the time in the call.

This would be an amazing development, but it could just be Cramer thinking out loud for the moment.

Let's look into this...
 
N0 way wil they be giving away 18months of totally free service. It will be free data (limited amount) at the most. As a Cingular customer, I'm use to them nickleing and dime'in me for all they can. For them to give away free service is beyond anything I can imagine.
 
HAS ANYONE ACTUALLY LISTENED TO THE CONFERENCE CALL???

I goofed and spent an hour listening to AT&T's conference call...that was a waste of time. I'm currently listening to the Cingular call...I'm only eight minutes in right now.
 
Why don't they just go one step further and do what we do over here in the UK. Pay for the contract monthly (usually 12 months) and get the phone free.
6 months back, one of the iPhone rumours was that Apple was worried about undercutting itself. A "free" phone isn't really free (it's paid for by the contract), but people would choose the "free" phone over an iPod... bad for the iPods. Also, some people pay nothing for their phones and don't care too much if they're wrecked, then complain that they can't get another free phone to replace it. Apple wants to have people realise the value they're getting.

Where would Cingular/AT&T make their money? The last six months of the contract aren't much. They'd hope that most of the customers continue with them?
Cell phone providers present contracts that integrate (hide) the payments which pay off the phone, at present. If you have your own phone, the cell companies can afford to give you a better deal (though they often do not do this!!). There is plenty of money making still.

I think Telstra here tried something similar - pay full price for any phone, but have great voice/data rates. People left in droves... why pay $400 for a phone on Telstra when it's "free" on Vodafone. Apple needs tight control to avoid this.

When phones are subsidized, subscribers are paying for the phones indirectly through higher rates on their service contract -- the money is coming from somewhere. Instead of subsidizing the service, Cingular should just offer cheaper service. That should be the true advantage to paying the cost of the phone up front: you are only paying for your service after that, not for your or someone else's phone. If they subsidize the service for 18 months (or whatever), it'll be cheaper than it should be for a while and then more expensive than it should be thereafter. Cut through this nonsense and just charge for the service.
Agreed.. pay high for the phone, then have real prices for the calls/data for as long as you have it. However... if they did this, customers could buy from Cingular then go straight to a competitor. If it truly is subsidised then it makes the plan more appealing.

If there's any kind of "unstandardized thinking" (to use the terms from a previous post) it should be that wireless carriers need to stop charging ridiculous prices for data.
Yes, this is another area where the carriers charge too much. Having a realistic charge would be great! (not free data, which is VERY hard once 3G phones are released, but paying an amount that makes a profit for cingular but doesn't charge us too much)

We pay 25c/sms in Australia.. not much good for frequent use of the nice iChat/SMS thing the phone has. How about bringing that down to 1c/sms?

Makes more sense to me to subsidize is for the length of the contract so that payments are the same and there isn't sticker shock right at the 19-month mark ... but either way it turns so many people into customers.
Better to have a sticker shock at 19months, than a sticker shock the moment people are off contract.

That said... if the phone is paid for upfront, and Cingular weren't losing money on the deal, why would they start charging more at 18months? This only makes sense if the $599 subsidises the plan (rather than the plan just being cheaper because it's not subsidising the phone). Hopefully a combination of subsidising the contract, and then moving to a contract that is based on the real cost (not subsidising the phone).
 
No, this is how it works in the US. But, more normally, you get a $200-300 dollar phone for free and pay $40 x 24, $960, to your cell phone carrier -- you are getting a lot less free than you are paying. This [rumor] sounds like paying $500 but getting at least $40 x 18, $720, back. That is very different than the way things work in the US or the UK.

yeah I do not think that is the case either. I think it the most likely thing is they will give you for free is the phone line from a family talk plan. That is 9.99 per line and I think they would give that part away for free. That would give you back about 180 which is about the amount they subsidize there phone for any how.

So you still wind up paying 50+ a month for the phone any how. There is no way in hell cingular would do it for free like that. Just not worth the money.

Now the 9.99 seems pretty likely because it still free service just the basic service fee is all they are covering.
 
I doubt it, except if you are going to take the most expensive tariff. I have been an O2 customer for more than 5 years and I only got a free mobile once.

Nokia N91 -----------------> Free
Nokia N80 -----------------> £70 with £10 discount on monthly tariff.
O2 XDA II -----------------> £130 with NO discount.
Nokia 8800 ----------------> £130 with NO discount.
Nokia 8310 ----------------> £50 with NO discount.

I'm on a £25 tariff, everytime it comes up for renewal I demand a free phone, no matter how much they think they're going to charge me.
 
I've got Cingular in St. Louis (St. Charles actually, but it's basically just a suburb) and the biggest problem I had in the past with the service was taking the cheap LG phones that they were offering. Once I got my Razr my reception increased incredibly and the number of dropped calls dropped to almost none. I keep hearing commercials about how it's the netwok that makes the difference and I can't argue that the network is important, but the quality of the phone seems to be equally important to me as well.


Exactly. I use Sprint, and thought it was awful for over a year. I lost my phone, and went out and bought a Sanyo Katana. All of the sudden, I had great service. If the iPhone gets good reception, being on Cingular doesn't matter.
 
How can anyone believe this? Our cellular service providers in the U.S. are the most distilled form of evil. It's always the same nickel and dime, surcharge, hidden cost BS. Cingular is not in the business of giving away anything, generousity is not in their DNA. If anything this will be a chance for them to screw over a whole new batch of customers.
 
Who's talking about generosity. It's just a different charging model.
Exactly my point, if they discount one part, they will raise the cost of the other, nothing is free. I don't care if they charge it all up front or spread it out, what counts is the net result. This thread panders to all of us, myself included, who are locked into contracts with someone else, but want a cheap, magical way to get the phone. Cingular will give away free service for this phone when Universal gives away free ipods.
 
Just finished listening to the conference call, and didn't hear anything about this. There was a brief mention of their excitement over the iPhone about halfway through, but unless I missed something, I don't know where Cramer got his info from.
 
I think the iPhone is going to cost an additional monthly fee to use, on top of your existing plan. I think there could be a $10.99 monthly charge for example. So I think, that is the 18 months free offer.
 
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