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I have unlimited and cannot pay for it............At&t wont let me unless I give up unlimited for the 2gb+2b plan and if I go over 4gb then I pay more

Unlimited with a $20 charge would still be cheaper so yes they would be raping me.:rolleyes:

Got news for you anyway, once you udate your phone to a new one, you will lose it anyway. Unlimited data is going away and there is nothing you can do to stop it.
 
Why does all carriers charge you this freaking tethering/hotspot when you are already paying for the data plan and using the same data plan to use this feature. I think we should all sue cellphone provides for charging for this stupid tethering/hotspot.
 
AT&T provides data plan and internet service, so they are an ISP in this case.

As long as data isn't used for illegal activities (by local/state/federal laws, not AT&T makeshift laws that is), I can do whatever I want to do with it once it reaches my phone, if I want to tether my phone by some magical non AT&T/Apple means, I will certainly do so. They should not be allowed to monitor type of data transmitted by any means, that's equal to invading privacy. However technically, since they own the data flow, they get away with this crap. There need to be laws that govern ISPs' privacy policies to prevent that.

They can still offer a $45 solution to whoever is scared to JB their device as a convenient feature - nothing wrong with that either.
 
AT&T provides data plan and internet service, so they are an ISP in this case.

As long as data isn't used for illegal activities (by local/state/federal laws, not AT&T makeshift laws that is), I can do whatever I want to do with it once it reaches my phone, if I want to tether my phone by some magical non AT&T/Apple means, I will certainly do so. They should not be allowed to monitor type of data transmitted by any means, that's equal to invading privacy. However technically, since they own the data flow, they get away with this crap. There need to be laws that govern ISPs' privacy policies to prevent that.

They can still offer a $45 solution to whoever is scared to JB their device as a convenient feature - nothing wrong with that either.

I'm willing to bet that somewhere in the terms of service you agreed to in which your service was initiated upon, there was a section barring unsanctioned use of the data, such as that of which data is tethered to a computer without an official plan, or else AT&T wouldn't be cracking down on unauthorized tethering. So actually, sorry to say it, you cannot do whatever you want with it since you agreed to those terms of the service that is being provided to you.

And I'm quite certain people being "scared" of jailbreaking their iPhones is not really what results in them paying extra for the service.
 
This entire argument truly is ridiculous. Do you think your home ISP would be perfectly fine with you setting up a public wifi network for your entire neighborhood to use, resulting in data usage that is exponential than intended? No.

I can't stand AT&T just as much as the next person in this thread and would gladly switch to Verizon if their coverage was better in my area, but the people butt-hurt that their service provider wants them to pay for a feature they're currently not paying for really makes no sense to me. Are we all supposed to pay for you instead? Stop being cheap.
 
This entire argument truly is ridiculous. Do you think your home ISP would be perfectly fine with you setting up a public wifi network for your entire neighborhood to use, resulting in data usage that is exponential than intended? No.

I can't stand AT&T just as much as the next person in this thread and would gladly switch to Verizon if their coverage was better in my area, but the people butt-hurt that their service provider wants them to pay for a feature they're currently not paying for really makes no sense to me. Are we all supposed to pay for you instead? Stop being cheap.

Are the people who tether in the right ? No

Is AT&T in the right ? No.

The problem is, AT&T will not let many of us add this feature to our current unlimited plans. Why does AT&T not keep the so-called unlimited plans as is (with 5GB soft cap / fair use) and add the same tethering plan offered on other plans for when we want to use it as a hotspot? To many of us, it seems like they are using this as bait to make us switch plans which they no longer find useful.

Personally, I respect the 5 GB soft cap on the iPhone plan. Sometimes I'll go over, but it's usually 500 MB, if I do. I just want the option to add the hotspot feature without having to change my data allocation for iphone-data usage. To me it's a reasonable request.
 
Somehow this doesn't surprise me at all. However, this is one more reason to stick at 4.1.0.

So far, the only real reason for 4.3.0 is Personal Hotspot, but since that is being monitored, then, I'll be happy to stick in 4.1.0 and give the finger to AT&T.

So if u have OS 4.1 this won't b q problem?
 
US Greed?!?

Ok, don't get me wrong here - I'm American and proud of it - but this AT&T and Verizon thing is absolutely ludicrous. In most European countries, there is not a single model of phone or tablet that is not available unlocked for full price. All carriers operate on the same GSM technology, so all devices sold here are compatible for use with any one of the carriers servicing that country.

What this creates is a competitive market where a carrier trying to pull the backhanded obvious price gouging that US carriers - in this case AT&T and Verizon - get away with everyday would swept aside by competitors inside the financial quarter!

When iOS 4.3 came out here in Sweden for example, my current carrier, 3, didn't publish new tethering plans. It just worked, and it takes away from my data usage limit that I already subscribe to. The industry standard in this country is 10 GB and even then you don't get charged extra for going over, your speed is just crippled to about one third of the bandwidth.

The other side of the coin is that a contract is a contract. If I sign up for a two year contract, I am bound to pay the balance of it no matter what. There is no such thing as an early termination fee. If I want to terminate my contract I have to buy it out in full.

Fair is fair though - I know I am not going to get any nasty surprises on my bill, and I know that the data I pay for is truly mine to use as I see fit. If my phone offers tethering, I get to use that function.

The speed crippling feature does a much better job of curtailing data hoggers than charging more for overages, because things like streaming music and video, and downloading torrents are either not practical or even possible at the choked bandwidth that results after you go over. Plus it is an automatic bandwidth manager, ensuring that there is enough to give good reliable bandwidth for every customer up to the limit they have paid for, and not those that would hog bandwidth and then try to sue or complain about unfair prices for overages.

Most iPhone plans here, if you decide to go subsidized with a long term contract, have at least 5 GB of data included on it and at regular exchange rates start at $50 a month for voice/data service. The even nicer tng is that you can use that $50 however you want and can buy services, like sms/text packages, international calling packages, TV services, etc. prices from $2 to $10 and then you use whatever you have left for voice charges that typically have a $0.10 initiation fee with $0.05 a minute.

I just got an iPhone 4 subsidized that I didn't have to pay a cent for, but instead signed up for a 2 year plan for $80 a month that includes 10GB of data, and using that $80 I purchased an sms package of 1,000 messages sent for $5 a month and another $15 a month for an awesome international calling plan that gives me $0.05 a minute to the USA where all of my family still is. I can tether wirelessly on my morning commute to my iPad 2 without restriction, so no need for a 3G iPad.

Sorry for the long and drawn out post, and I'm definitely not trying to say "look at how I have it compared to you guys" but rather highlight how the lack of competition in the US cell phone industry is just shafting the consumer royally.

The whole point is that what the carriers in the US are doing is bordering on criminal in my eyes, but you guys just have to grin and bear it, it seems like. Very sad. All of you who are saying that you pay it, so why shouldn't everyone else - have completely lost sight of the point here. You guys are being totally taken advantage of by monopolistic-like practices.

The combination of fragmented carrier network technologies and greed has left you all trapped. If you want a certain type of phone, you have a very limited carrier choice, and as such are vulnerable to these large corporations.

The EU may be an entity bogged down with regulation, but they do come down hard on the corporations in defence of the consumer, which I for one think is a good thing. Heck, Apple can't even sell refurbished products here because of the stringent regulations that those products can't meet, even with the 1 year guarantee!

I know it isn't going to change anytime soon, but it gets really frustrating as an American reading all this crap you guys have to go through back home getting raped through the rear end and being forced to resort to jailbreaking and getting around the system to not have to spend a ridiculous amount of money just for your phone, because I too agree with some posters that these iDevices are best used the way they are intended, without interference from outside third parties like data/cell phone carriers.
 
This entire argument truly is ridiculous. Do you think your home ISP would be perfectly fine with you setting up a public wifi network for your entire neighborhood to use, resulting in data usage that is exponential than intended? No.

This is not even close to an accurate analogy. Common sense should rule. Of course you are not going to be allowed to share your home network with the whole neighborhood as you purchased that connection for your 1 household. This would be accurate if you were therthering the whole commuter train with your personal 3G connection.

But if your are just tethering one or two of your personal computing devices, this is a normal and common sense use, I'm sure your would have to agree...right?
 
so has anyone figured out how they are detecting it yet?

I have been streaming pandora nonstop since I read this friday.
I have a jailbroken iphone and have mywi.
I don't abuse it but would like it rather than having to pay to have my iphone on AT&T, my wife's iphone on AT&T, then my iPad on AT&T and if my son wants to get online with his laptop in the car, another fee, I've only gone over 5gb once in the many years I've been on the iphone. I have never even used a gig on my ipad but paid for unlimited, if they want to charge me a tethering fee for an additional $20, then let the data roll over too that way if I did go over a month I didn't get charged, I haven't asked for money back when I haven't gone over?

This may be a possible easy fix for mywi or someone, my guess is they are checking the packets, not the bandwidth. They probably are flagging people who didn't upgrade their phones, then they are looking for high bandwidth users, then inspecting packets, if mywi can rewrap the packets to take out the originator, spoof an applications wrapper like pandora or netflix, then unwrap when returned problem solved. They could do it as safari as well.

when my contract is up, I may abandon the iphone all together if there are other phone that you can tether without a fee (ie, android).

If enough people vote with their pockets and leave, Apple is the only one that can put pressure on AT&T and eventually Verizon to change these rape your customer policies and just get flat rates for data, no matter how you use it.

Just a thought and my 2 cents.
 
Care to further explain how you plan to keep it? Unless you are planning on keeping the same phone forever, it will happen.

I just upgraded my phone last month and kept unlimited data. In fact, the guy at the place where I bought my phone screwed up and removed unlimited data, and when I called AT&T to inquire about getting it back, since I had it before, they happily switched me back to unlimited.
 
This is not even close to an accurate analogy. Common sense should rule. Of course you are not going to be allowed to share your home network with the whole neighborhood as you purchased that connection for your 1 household. This would be accurate if you were therthering the whole commuter train with your personal 3G connection.

But if your are just tethering one or two of your personal computing devices, this is a normal and common sense use, I'm sure your would have to agree...right?

And with a non-tethering iPhone data package, you purchase the data for one device, with AT&T believing the usage will be 1-2GB a month.

So I don't agree with that statement as its use that was not included as a part of the terms you agreed to with your service.
 
I just upgraded my phone last month and kept unlimited data. In fact, the guy at the place where I bought my phone screwed up and removed unlimited data, and when I called AT&T to inquire about getting it back, since I had it before, they happily switched me back to unlimited.

I stand corrected for now... If you upgrade from an unlimited iPhone to and iPhone you can keep it. I switch to a WP7 phone and unlimited data is not offered so I lost it (called and asked). I do, however, think that they will eventually remove it all together and force the switch. (my opinion)
 
I stand corrected for now... If you upgrade from an unlimited iPhone to and iPhone you can keep it. I switch to a WP7 phone and unlimited data is not offered so I lost it (called and asked). I do, however, think that they will eventually remove it all together and force the switch. (my opinion)

Another one drinking the AT&T koolaid
 
Good

I hope AT&T starts doing this and all the jailbreakers who go around the system lose their unlimited data, get their phones turned off, and/or get sued for breach of contract by AT&T. Thanks to the jailbreaks using huge amounts of data the unlimited data plan was taken off the table for everyone.

It's America, do not be cheap and lazy. That's not what America was built on, pay for the services you use and stop raping the system. I don't care if you jailbreak because it is legal to do so and it's your equipment, you are using a service for free that states in black and white that there is charge for using it. Doing this is not called called jailbreaking, it called stealing!!!

Stop being a scumbag thief and pay for the services you are using...
 
I have a friend who uses his iPhone to tether as does his girlfriend. She hardly ever tethers and he does it all the time. She has gotten the Text from AT&T and he hasn't. In fact he used 29 GB's last month tethering movies and all sorts of things to his home computers. I am thinking the text's must be random if she got one and he hasn't. He averages about 10 to 12 gigs a month at a minimum. Yeah he is abusing it bad!!! lol I myself have only tethered a small amount and haven't received any text or email from AT&T.

He will get an email, as he should, but she shouldn't.
 
Tethering: The new prescription drug abuse!

Actually the way they are most likely doing this and the way most carriers do it is using some deep packet inspection kit or maybe even a transparent proxy.

They can look for browsing traffic on port 80 then simply pick out any users where the user agent string is that of a computer OS so Windows|Mac|Linux.

2 options to get around it are: either change your browsers UA to that of the iPhone although this will often give you mobile sites or better still send everything down a VPN, that way its encrypted and they can;t see what your doing just how many bytes :) High VPN usage shouldn't be odd either as the iPhone has a VPN client so you could feasibly be using that.

(Used to work in a carrier designing these systems so I should know!)
This!^^ I thought I was the only one thinking of that!

Anyways carriers need to stop branding built in services as "extras" and features of there own and apple needs to stop bending over and letting AT&T and Verizon violate them. All I care about from carriers like one said is a nice bandwidth thick pipe of 1s and 0s, I want none of your other crap, in fact stop sending me warning txts and messages about crap I don't care about your nothing more than and a bunch of slow linksys WRT54G's just mounted up high and everywhere so stop acting like your the internet security guard. I don't really tether my MacBook as often as I used to but I'm not paying $10 or whatever it is extra to do some quick browsing that uses a miniscule amount of data. Hmm I think I'm going to tether my MacBook and torrent everything of interest now just so I can get one of these txts and rant to some poor customer service guy:D:D:D
 
Really?

This!^^ I thought I was the only one thinking of that!

Anyways carriers need to stop branding built in services as "extras" and features of there own and apple needs to stop bending over and letting AT&T and Verizon violate them. All I care about from carriers like one said is a nice bandwidth thick pipe of 1s and 0s, I want none of your other crap, in fact stop sending me warning txts and messages about crap I don't care about your nothing more than and a bunch of slow linksys WRT54G's just mounted up high and everywhere so stop acting like your the internet security guard. I don't really tether my MacBook as often as I used to but I'm not paying $10 or whatever it is extra to do some quick browsing that uses a miniscule amount of data. Hmm I think I'm going to tether my MacBook and torrent everything of interest now just so I can get one of these txts and rant to some poor customer service guy:D:D:D

How is Apple bending over? Lol

Apple is making a huge sum of money because of their device being sold to these carriers. Apple couldn't care any less about what features AT&T and Verizon offer to customers and what it charges.

If you don't want to pay or can't afford the extra $20 a month to tether, you shouldn't have a smart phone.
 
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