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I wish we could have single payer in the US but the stupid conservatives convinced the masses that its worse even though its substantially better, lowers costs and has better healthcare outcomes.

Don't worry, what you don't pay in healthcare will be made up by increased taxes. "Stupid conservatives" are smart enough to know there is no such thing as free money from the govt.

First, our taxes are much lower than Europe. Second, their communication infrastructure is much cheaper due to population densities 3-7 times that of the US. Personally, I'd rather have the wide open spaces here than faster movie downloads.

Yup. Living in CA is as close to Europe as I want to get: crazy cost of living, no one has open land/yards, etc...

I looked up my usage to see if I can switch to this (I can't...2 GB shared isn't enough) and I was shocked at how little phone usage I actually use. I knew it was not a lot, but...makes me wish someone would introduce data-only plans, with phone use ala carte. Will never happen, though.

I used to buy the density argument, but I don't any longer. Iceland has a lower population density like the US, but with European rates.

This is false. It's very possible that if a carrier has to cover more land, their costs will more than linearly scale with the increase. This happens many time in real life. For example, a 80in tv might cost say $10,000, but a 100in tv will cost $45-$50,000. Hence, even though the size of the tv did not even double, the price more than quadrupled.
 
Wow, that's surprising. I'm still under contract for my line, I think it ends in summer, so does this mean that the savings get passed onto me automatically with AT&T? Or do I have to call for the discounted rate? 1 line, unlimited texts, 2GB data. Thanks

Knowing the carriers they will make you wait until your contract upgrade. Or make it part of their trade in programs etc.

That they dropped it $15 makes me think the catch is that you must be off contract. That's about the same as the subsidy contract holders are paying.
 
Tm $30

I'm had good luck with the T-Mobile $30 prepaid plan.

5GB data / 100 minutes talk / unlim text

No tethering or roaming data, though.

It's called the Walmart plan. But you do not need to buy your phone at Walmart.
 
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I had your identical plan. I switched today. I'm still under contract till September. I'm now paying $80 a month before taxes and fees. You only pay $25 a month instead of $40 if you are not under contract currently or if you byod when signing up for a new one.
I was able to change to $65 per month and am on on contract.

I couldn't do it yesterday since the website was whacky but today it was OK. It didn't even show $40 for my device--only $25 (plus the $40 for data, text and unlimited talk).



Michael
 
These new plans allow me to keep my 4GB of data, and move from 1500 SMS plan and 450 minutes to unlimited along with no longer having to pay 25 cents to text Canada, AND add my cellular iPad to the data plan, and my monthly bill is going to go....

DOWN.

Holy ****. Yeah, already switched.
 
I was able to change to $65 per month and am on on contract.

I couldn't do it yesterday since the website was whacky but today it was OK. It didn't even show $40 for my device--only $25 (plus the $40 for data, text and unlimited talk).



Michael

I called a rep today regarding a billing question and without me asking he told me could reduce my data bill to $25 even though I'm on-contract. Suffice to say I'm thrilled. $65 a month before taxes and fees.
 
This kind of argument always confuses me a little. Sure, the total cost of the network in the UK probably costs less than the US, but that doesn't take into account the amount of customers, either. The US may have to have a bigger network to cover the entire area, but the US also probably has a lot more customers, too. So I think a better comparison is cost of network per capita rather than total cost.

Thinking that it is the wrong argument also happens to be self-serving in that it supports your view that where you live is somehow superior in this respect. The fact is, national carriers in America have to run a lot of network cable and erect a lot of network towers in areas were very very few people live just in order to cover one of their customers if they happen to travel that far.

The fact is, the landmass is a far more important question then the number of citizens.

Imagine this metaphor: one area has 100 cell phone users packed into a single household. Another area has 100 cell phone users in an area the size of London. Which one of those two networks do you think will cost more for a carrier to support?

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Fair enough, but my point was that the amount of land isn't the only factor when upgrading.

That was your point? Why? Nobody here was arguing that the number of users has nothing to do with the cost of the network. We were talking about the reason why a typical USA cell phone plan costs more than a typical European cell phone plan. Have you ever wondered why a typical European plan costs so much more than a typical African plan?

In case you have not, here is a lesson for you: the cost of cell phone plans takes into account many different variables. These variables include the number of users, the size of the area that the carrier has to cover, the general level of income that the target market has, and the amount of competition in the market.

When all of these variables come together in the soup that is the cell phone provider markets, the USA ends up with the highest cell phone plans. But let's not get too proud when bragging about how cheap European cell phone plans are, because your cell phone plans make most of the rest of the world's look pretty expensive also. The USA also moved much more quickly than Europe to LTE service, so you were getting poorer coverage as well.
 
Ok, Mister Last Word, you wrote:

"Unlimited Calling + Texting [International included]"

Which makes it look like Unlimited Calling AND Texting, International included.

I tried to be polite about it, but if you want to be one of those kids that has to be a prick online...

prick not intended, i was jus pointing it out and later did realize someone else had already did so :)
 
Feel well sorry for you guys over there. I am on free.fr in France.
It is a sim only, contract free, monthly tariff for 19,99€ a month.
For that I get unlimited French mobile and landline SMS, MMS and calls.
Free calls and texts to US and Canadian mobiles, free calls to EU landlines.
20gb 4g lte.
Unlimited tethering.
it's pretty good like.
 
Feel well sorry for you guys over there. I am on free.fr in France.
It is a sim only, contract free, monthly tariff for 19,99€ a month.
For that I get unlimited French mobile and landline SMS, MMS and calls.
Free calls and texts to US and Canadian mobiles, free calls to EU landlines.
20gb 4g lte.
Unlimited tethering.
it's pretty good like.

How is what you pay in France related to the ATT announcement?
 
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I was able to change to $65 per month and am on on contract.

I couldn't do it yesterday since the website was whacky but today it was OK. It didn't even show $40 for my device--only $25 (plus the $40 for data, text and unlimited talk).



Michael

Same. I bought a iPhone 5C last October with 2yr contract agreement. I've been paying $95 a month for 2GB of data (w/ unlimited talk & text). Today I finally went online a change my plan to $65 with same plan (2GB of data w/unlimited talk & text). The only thing is that I won't see it on change on bill till May I guess but I will get a credit from the April bill according to the AT&T rep I spoke to.

In all, I am very happy AT&T did this
 

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