AT&T iPhone Exclusivity to Expire in June 2010?

[LagunaSol]

If Verison joined the mix, there will be price wars that would potentially eat into how much Apple gets paid by each carrier.

Why? As long as the iPhone is the "must have" device, Apple is in the driver's seat. It would simply dictate the price the carrier must pay to carry the phone. No pay = no sale. Simple.

Just like that snail commercial forever soured Intel on working with Apple?

For better or for worse, you don't F with Steve Jobs. Verizon is ***** with Steve Jobs. Steve Jobs doesn't like to be F'ed with.

 

[whatever]

iPhone not going to Verizon

The iPhone will not be appearing on Verizon's network anytime soon. Don't be surprised that it Apple sells it on both AT&T and TMobile in 2010 in the US.

Apple won't to own the complete life cycle of the iPhone and not have to deal with Verizon (who cripples every phone). Once a year Apple releases a new iPhone, which has a one year life cycle.

Verizon would want to advertise/market the iPhone on their network, which is something that Apple does not want.

The segmentation of the Android market place will do nothing but keep the iPhone in the number on spot for sometime. Hell, the Droid is already seeing competition from other Android phones.

Meanwhile the iPhone has no competition.

 

[christian_k]

I wonder why it is called "subsidy"?

I don't think you ever get anything "for free", you pay with your monthly bill. It is some form of a consumer credit.

Christian

 

[SeaFox]

And don't you think it would look pretty stupid on Verizon's part to start selling and advertising the iPhone this next year after they just got done bashing it routinely in their DROID campaigns?

You mean like Steve Jobs did with Intel processors and so forth?

SILENCE! Steve Jobs does no wrong!

There. Did I do that right? I was really trying for that devout brainwashed fanboi character, not the whiny one with the scratched iPod Nano.

If the iPhone is going to show up on Verizon I expect it to be on T-Mobile, too. For the simple fact it requires practically ZERO extra work to do it. Apple doesn't even have to make a new iPhone at all. Just release a 0.1 update to the iPhone's OS to remove the AT&T lock.

Imagine that... Customers being able to choose from more carriers and get the phone they want.

 

[camperdown9]

Hi

Here in the UK when Apple's exclusive deal with O2 ended, they started selling iPhone through Orange and will soon add Vodafone. There are also rumors that 3 will get iPhone at some point next year and also T-Mobile UK.

So is it not more likely that Apple will want to sell iPhone via a few carriers rather than just swap from At&t to Verizon?

If Apple don't want to make two types of iPhone i.e. one CDMA & one GSM, could they make one handset that can work on both systems?

What I am asking is could the next iPhone work on CDMA, GSM & have the frequencies for T-Mobile USA's 3G network? That way it opens up the US market a bit more in terms of choice.

Alex

 

[raccoontail]

The iPhone will not be appearing on Verizon's network anytime soon. Don't be surprised that it Apple sells it on both AT&T and TMobile in 2010 in the US.

Apple will not mess around with T-Mobile, just like they don't market iMacs in KMart. I think AT&T will remain the exclusive carrier for a few more years. When Verizon is further along in its LTE rollout, an LTE iPhone available for both VZW and AT&T is a very real possibility. If Apple had made a CMDA iPhone, Sprint would have been the more logical partner as they are hungrier for customers and have a very good EVDO network. Looking forward though I doubt Apple ever considers a WiMax iPhone given the relatively small worldwide market.

 

[Roessnakhan]

Apple will not mess around with T-Mobile, just like they don't market iMacs in KMart. I think AT&T will remain the exclusive carrier for a few more years. When Verizon is further along in its LTE rollout, an LTE iPhone available for both VZW and AT&T is a very real possibility. If Apple had made a CMDA iPhone, Sprint would have been the more logical partner as they are hungrier for customers and have a very good EVDO network. Looking forward though I doubt Apple ever considers a WiMax iPhone given the relatively small worldwide market.

T-Mobile is rolling out the fastest 3G network of all the carriers, I don't know why Apple wouldn't want to go with them. Advertise faster speeds on T-Mobile, more coverage on AT&T (relative to T-Mobile). They'd have to utilize a different frequency on their devices (1700MHz, I believe), but of all my friends at least half of them have their iPhone on T-Mobile, despite not having 3G. So I would say the demand is there.

 

[LagunaSol]

T-Mobile is rolling out the fastest 3G network of all the carriers, I don't know why Apple wouldn't want to go with them.

I despise all carriers, but I have to say T-Mobile was my favorite - the lesser of all evils. I would love to see the iPhone on T-Mobile (legitimately).

 

[Komiksulo]

I don't see Apple making a CDMA-only iPhone for Verizon. What I could see happening is next year's iPhone having a flexible software-defined radio that can handle all the frequency bands and protocols it is likely to encounter: Regular quad-band GSM, the extended GSMs used in Europe, the UMTS bands, LTE, North American CDMA, the 1700-MHz band, Japanese and Korean 2G standards, everything.

How doable is that?

 

[butterfly0fdoom]

I don't see Apple making a CDMA-only iPhone for Verizon. What I could see happening is next year's iPhone having a flexible software-defined radio that can handle all the frequency bands and protocols it is likely to encounter: Regular quad-band GSM, the extended GSMs used in Europe, the UMTS bands, LTE, North American CDMA, the 1700-MHz band, Japanese and Korean 2G standards, everything.

How doable is that?

Not doable at all because that requires a LOT of antennas to be shoehorned in. I can see Apple supporting........ quad-band GSM and tri-band UTMS. And later on, LTE. I don't know what frequency Europe and Asia are going to use for LTE, but it'd be a multi-band LTE antenna if it's different than the one AT&T and Verizon are using? The iPhone us being used on carriers in Japan and Korea that use GSM and UTMS, not their own wonky technologies.

 

[kasei]

I will believe it when I see it.

 

[Aleco]

I think so too. The question is, how many Verizon users will have locked into two year contracts on Droid or Pre models by the time the iPhone comes along? (Assuming it does come along.)

The first iPhone model was announced six months ahead of time, partly in order to give customers a reason to wait for it to go on sale.



ATT had a say in some major apps.

ATT didn't allow Slingplayer over 3G. And they didn't allow VoIP until very recently.

Verizon allows both, at least on other phones. No idea what they'd do for the iPhone.

That obviously goes to show that AT&T can be a much stronger company then Verizon. Think of it this way, if AT&T has its ability to decide if an app can use VOIP or service over 3G, and Apple agreed (underlying contract) Verizon may have the feature but can you tell me which Verizon phone has the maximum ability to use both?

 

[twoodcc]

choice is good, but version might be leaving a bad taste in apple's mouth at the moment

 

[macshill]

Apple will not mess around with T-Mobile, just like they don't market iMacs in KMart. I think AT&T will remain the exclusive carrier for a few more years. When Verizon is further along in its LTE rollout, an LTE iPhone available for both VZW and AT&T is a very real possibility. If Apple had made a CMDA iPhone, Sprint would have been the more logical partner as they are hungrier for customers and have a very good EVDO network. Looking forward though I doubt Apple ever considers a WiMax iPhone given the relatively small worldwide market.

haha You couldn't be MORE wrong if you tried.

On Apple Insider today-- AT&T exclusively to end, T-Mobile to get access to iPhone in 2010.

http://forums.appleinsider.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=105192

On a different, but the same note: AT&T tied with Sprint for last place in customer satisfaction. #1? Surprise, surprise-- Verizon. Looks like Verizon might be on to something w/ their "controversial" map ads.

 

[robains]

G4 iPhone will be hosted by Verizon and will also support $100 video phones for the home with new streaming technology. This deal is done because I've talk to some "insiders" -- actually 3rd party contractors that are already working on the streaming technology for the home video phone for Verizon that will work with G4 iPhones.

Although AT&T has improved it service in my area, it is still far far behind Verizon. I'm glad Apple and Verizon finally worked out a deal.

I understood July 2010.

I will not miss AT&T.

Rob.

 

[bradl]

G4 iPhone will be hosted by Verizon and will also support $100 video phones for the home with new streaming technology. This deal is done because I've talk to some "insiders" -- actually 3rd party contractors that are already working on the streaming technology for the home video phone for Verizon that will work with G4 iPhones.

We've heard this so many times that it's easier to believe that bin Laden will come out of hiding and run for POTUS in 2013. No matter what 'insiders' have said, unless it has been made public by Apple or any representative of Apple, it is pure bollocks.

Although AT&T has improved it service in my area, it is still far far behind Verizon. I'm glad Apple and Verizon finally worked out a deal.

I understood July 2010.

I will not miss AT&T.

Rob.

Good luck with that, and you go have fun with it. I'll just be sitting here and laughing when your CDMA phone doesn't work anymore because it is a dead and gone technology. Besides, with the way that Verizon is slagging the iPhone with the Droids, I doubt they'll get on the good side of Apple anytime in the near future. VZW all but dug their own grave as far as the iPhone goes with their commercials, and need to seriously kiss arse to get back into their good graces.

BL.

 

[2056]

it'd be nice to see the iphone available to other carriers. if this happened, how early do you think we would see an official announcement? 1 month before..2?

 

[bergmef]

Not doable at all because that requires a LOT of antennas to be shoehorned in. I can see Apple supporting........ quad-band GSM and tri-band UTMS. And later on, LTE. I don't know what frequency Europe and Asia are going to use for LTE, but it'd be a multi-band LTE antenna if it's different than the one AT&T and Verizon are using? The iPhone us being used on carriers in Japan and Korea that use GSM and UTMS, not their own wonky technologies.

Europe is going 800MHz, 1.8GHz (Finland) and 2.6GHz (I think, it's something over 2GHz). The US is shooting for 700MHZ (Verizon and ATT). Verizon starting LTE in 2010 (already did initial testing) and ATT begin initial testing by the end of 2010.

With over 500 million cdma users worldwide, it might be a market for Apple to look into tapping. China's cdma user base is predited to grow in the coming years. If you make a cdma (SVDO) version with a rollover to LTE, it would add to the yearly hardware sales.

Just wondering, was the ad on verizon with the map to slow down ATT's LTE rollout? They already announced moving LTE initial testing up to 2010, now they have to spend more on 3G rollout to cover other stuff

 

[bergmef]

it'd be nice to see the iphone available to other carriers. if this happened, how early do you think we would see an official announcement? 1 month before..2?

The day it is released, not a second before. LOL

 

[robains]

We've heard this so many times that it's easier to believe that bin Laden will come out of hiding and run for POTUS in 2013. No matter what 'insiders' have said, unless it has been made public by Apple or any representative of Apple, it is pure bollocks.

Good luck with that, and you go have fun with it. I'll just be sitting here and laughing when your CDMA phone doesn't work anymore because it is a dead and gone technology. Besides, with the way that Verizon is slagging the iPhone with the Droids, I doubt they'll get on the good side of Apple anytime in the near future. VZW all but dug their own grave as far as the iPhone goes with their commercials, and need to seriously kiss arse to get back into their good graces.

BL.

Sounds like you work for AT&T and/or one of their contracting companies.

I'll believe what I've seen thanks, business is business -- it's not some ego drama like you see on TV. I'm just reporting what I've seen, touched -- what are you reporting from -- nothing?? or your perception obtained from TV commericals??

While you wait for Apple to say "so", the rest of those involved in this project will continue onwards (FYI, this is not just Verizon, many partners an contractors involved).

 

[butterfly0fdoom]

Europe is going 800MHz, 1.8GHz (Finland) and 2.6GHz (I think, it's something over 2GHz). The US is shooting for 700MHZ (Verizon and ATT). Verizon starting LTE in 2010 (already did initial testing) and ATT begin initial testing by the end of 2010.

Oh wow that's going to be a big bag of hurt. I thought Europe generally use the same frequencies across the continent?

Anyone know Asia's frequencies?

I hope everyone realizes "The Network" Verizon pitches does not in any way apply to their future LTE rollout.

 

[kdarling]

I hope everyone realizes "The Network" Verizon pitches does not in any way apply to their future LTE rollout.

What way is that?

Verizon won the best set of airwave blocks in the FCC auction, so they can have the fastest overall LTE network in the USA.

Verizon says they'll have full coverage (same as now) with LTE by early 2014.

Verizon has contracted with its cousin VPS to update most of its towers with fiber backhaul by 2014 as well, to handle the LTE speeds.

 

[bradl]

Sounds like you work for AT&T and/or one of their contracting companies.

I'll believe what I've seen thanks, business is business -- it's not some ego drama like you see on TV. I'm just reporting what I've seen, touched -- what are you reporting from -- nothing?? or your perception obtained from TV commericals??

While you wait for Apple to say "so", the rest of those involved in this project will continue onwards (FYI, this is not just Verizon, many partners an contractors involved).

You don't get it.

Search this entire forum and see how many posts people have made saying that they've heard it from 'insiders', and what they've 'heard' turns out to be completely false. No citations to back up their claims, except for "I've heard from 'insiders'".

Do I work for ATT? no. Do I work for Apple? no. But I do know that "I heard from 'insiders'" doesn't fly here. Either show the proof, like some sort of link or source for your information, or I call bollocks, and it hasn't happened. Only when Apple says that it will then it will. Not before, and certainly not from anyone who claims 'insiders'.

BL.

 

[butterfly0fdoom]

What way is that?

Verizon won the best set of airwave blocks in the FCC auction, so they can have the fastest overall LTE network in the USA.

Verizon says they'll have full coverage (same as now) with LTE by early 2014.

Verizon has contracted with its cousin VPS to update most of its towers with fiber backhaul by 2014 as well, to handle the LTE speeds.

The only reason Verizon's EV-DO network footprint is near-identical to their CDMA2000 network footprint is because EV-DO and CDMA2000 are the same technology. LTE is a completely different technology and I think Verizon's being overly optimistic with how fast they'll roll it out, at least considering how slow AT&T's UTMS rollout has been (which is the kind of situation Verizon's going to be in for LTE, which AT&T is going to have to repeat for LTE).

 

[bergmef]

The only reason Verizon's EV-DO network footprint is near-identical to their CDMA2000 network footprint is because EV-DO and CDMA2000 are the same technology. LTE is a completely different technology and I think Verizon's being overly optimistic with how fast they'll roll it out, at least considering how slow AT&T's UTMS rollout has been (which is the kind of situation Verizon's going to be in for LTE, which AT&T is going to have to repeat for LTE).

We'll just have to wait and see. No one believed they would get a city wired this year for initial testing (much less two) and they did. I can't see basing one company on a completely different company (like saying why consider OS X, microsoft has been making a less than stellar operating system over the years and can't seem to get it right). My guess, and strickly a guess, is if it were to come to Verizon, it would be dual channel cdma with LTE for data only(if it's available in your area). I think you will see Verizon swapping the channel cards in the towers, not that hard to do, but will be a good $1000 a piece to buy. That would enable SVDO and quadruple capacity on the existing network. I figure they will do it anyway and keep the phones dual band (cdma and LTE). Let the LTE group sort out the codec and stuff (hopefully a good one).
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