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AT&T Looking to Add '4G' Network Indicator to iPhone 4S Status Bar
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Att just wants to do this so they can charge iPhone 4S owners for "4G" data
A 4G Data package is the EXACT SAME price as a 3G data package.
I gave a talk to an industry group at the end of April, much of which had to do with the future of the internet, wireless communications/data networks, and "cloud" services.
I like the terms I used, I think they should apply:
"4G" (note the quotation marks)
and
Real 4G (referring to LTE Advanced)
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I like that too. I think it's crap that the ITU was essentially forced to change the definition because a few companies wanted to market it.
Nicky G said:
I gave a talk to an industry group at the end of April, much of which had to do with the future of the internet, wireless communications/data networks, and "cloud" services.
I like the terms I used, I think they should apply:
"4G" (note the quotation marks)
and
Real 4G (referring to LTE Advanced)
I like that too. I think it's crap that the ITU was essentially forced to change the definition because a few companies wanted to market it.
Anyone know if HSPA will actually help speeds in areas with poor coverage?
I have a 3gs now that can theoretically do 7Mbps or whatever, but I'm thrilled to hit anything over 1Mbit.
Is it possible that HSPA+ will give me better coverage/speed, or will the bad reception basically doom me to these 0.3Mbit average rates?
I have a 3gs now that can theoretically do 7Mbps or whatever, but I'm thrilled to hit anything over 1Mbit.
Is it possible that HSPA+ will give me better coverage/speed, or will the bad reception basically doom me to these 0.3Mbit average rates?
Thats what I want to know. Sprint 3G is faster than AT&T is where I live /work. As I posted earlier, see below:
Can you have piss poor AT&T 3G service and good AT&T Faux G on the 4GS (HSPA+)? The reason I ask is that according to the AT&T coverage map (I know you need to take these maps with a HUGE grain of salt) I am smack dab in the middle of 4G coverage. Yet my AT&T 3G service is Horrible. I average 1 bar and go from Edge to 3 bars max on my 3GS. I average only 0.47Mbps down and 0.17Mbps up on Speed test . If I get a 4Gs on AT&T, could I see improvement? I am unsatisfied with AT&Ts 3G service in my area and want to know if there is a link to their 4G.
Exactly.. There is a really simple answer to all of this non-technical sales and marketing ********! Although the acronyms may not mean much to laymen, all you have to do is look at the generation of the modulation scheme to determine what "G" to be apply.
GSM (2G) = TDMA
UMTS/HSPA/HSPA+ (3G) = WCDMA
LTE/WiMAX (4G) = OFDMA
This HSPA+ is "4G" business was started by some moron at T-Mobile because they won't have a real 4G network for years...
Saying HSPA is 3G and HSPA+ is 4G is the same as saying an overclocked Core 2 Duo is the same as a Sandy Bridge CPU....
(Is that enough geek for one post?)
What part of history do you not understand that makes you think it will be called by that name?
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I don't get anything near that on my home wired connection, and have no problems streaming video... 14.4/5.8 is more than sufficient for the data limits we're given...
Lara F said:
I don't get anything near that on my home wired connection, and have no problems streaming video... 14.4/5.8 is more than sufficient for the data limits we're given...
It is a lot more complex than that:
1) 14.4/5.8 is the *absolute theoretical maximum* speed; you won't see anything close to that in practice. To even get 1/2 of that reliably, you need LTE.
2) More importantly, what most people don't understand is that true 4G technologies like LTE/Wimax are far more efficient with their spectrum, so the total throughput of all users combined is much greater --- giving the individual smartphone user far greater average speeds...
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Although speed was not the sole factor, the ITU did (originally) define "4G" as requiring 100mbps for "highly-mobile uses" like cars/trains and 1Gbps for pedestrians/stationary sites...
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How about comparing against Galaxy s2 that has 21Mbit/s. Even that isn't 4G so this time apple is talking sh-t
How about comparing against Galaxy s2 that has 21Mbit/s. Even that isn't 4G so this time apple is talking sh-t
14.4MB/s or Mb/s?
14.4MBps ~ 115 Mbps which is not even LTE.
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This is a good point, as HSPA+ is new for UMTS in that it allows for an all-IP network like LTE and WiMAX.
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This is a good point, as HSPA+ is new for UMTS in that it allows for an all-IP network like LTE and WiMAX.
They could just add a "H' symbol, just like what Sony Ericsson did with their HSPA enabled phones (Android and feature phones alike). Apple could use H+ to denote HSPA+ or "4G". Less confusing and more appropriate to currently established standards.
As for branding HSPA+ as 4G. Local 3G only carrier (kind of like 3 in the UK) U-Mobile, launched their HSPA+ network and didn't go as far as branding it as 4G. They just refer it to as mobile broadband.
On my phone, it's 3G for bare UMTS and H for HSPA. Guess I have the most old school phone here.
Apologies for the large image, my freakin' Sony point and shoot shoots in 16.2 MP.
As for branding HSPA+ as 4G. Local 3G only carrier (kind of like 3 in the UK) U-Mobile, launched their HSPA+ network and didn't go as far as branding it as 4G. They just refer it to as mobile broadband.
On my phone, it's 3G for bare UMTS and H for HSPA. Guess I have the most old school phone here.
Apologies for the large image, my freakin' Sony point and shoot shoots in 16.2 MP.
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Call it "4G" and there will be customer confusion
If "4G" appears on the iPhone 4S status bar, customers will think "That's impossible. Battery life is too good."
If "4G" appears on the iPhone 4S status bar, customers will think "That's impossible. Battery life is too good."
This is so unprofessional
3.75G is NOT 4G!
Only LTE is 4G, Apple has an opportunity to stop the confusion.
I hope that they will not agree to change the icon into 4G.
They can settle on 3G+
3.75G is NOT 4G!
Only LTE is 4G, Apple has an opportunity to stop the confusion.
I hope that they will not agree to change the icon into 4G.
They can settle on 3G+
No
No it does NOT, or does it
http://www.qualcomm.com/news/releas...ls-new-roadmap-gobi-connectivity-technologies
It says up to 14.4Mbs HSPA+ But that's not +
Quote:
MDM6200™: supports HSPA+ data rates of up to 14.4 Mbps
MDM6600™: supports HSPA+ data rates of up to 14.4 Mbps and CDMA2000® 1xEV-DO Rev. A/Rev. B
MDM8200A™: supports HSPA+ data rates of up to 28 Mbps
MDM8220™: supports dual-carrier HSPA+ for data rates of up to 42 Mbps
MDM9200™: supports LTE data rates of up to 100 Mbps with full backward compatibility to dual carrier HSPA+
MDM9600™: supports LTE data rates of up to 100 Mbps with full backward compatibility to dual carrier HSPA+ and EV-DO Rev. A/Rev. B
No it does NOT, or does it
http://www.qualcomm.com/news/releas...ls-new-roadmap-gobi-connectivity-technologies
It says up to 14.4Mbs HSPA+
But that's not +Quote:
MDM6200™: supports HSPA+ data rates of up to 14.4 Mbps
MDM6600™: supports HSPA+ data rates of up to 14.4 Mbps and CDMA2000® 1xEV-DO Rev. A/Rev. B
MDM8200A™: supports HSPA+ data rates of up to 28 Mbps
MDM8220™: supports dual-carrier HSPA+ for data rates of up to 42 Mbps
MDM9200™: supports LTE data rates of up to 100 Mbps with full backward compatibility to dual carrier HSPA+
MDM9600™: supports LTE data rates of up to 100 Mbps with full backward compatibility to dual carrier HSPA+ and EV-DO Rev. A/Rev. B
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