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We've got good speeds for our 3g (although, ping sucks here too), it's certainly "good enough".

However we just got 3g last year in Wichita Falls, Texas so we may have latest generation tower equipment.
 

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Hmmm... still only get EDGE or just plain no connection in Studio City, CA. Sounds like they've still got some more towers to put up just to even get 3G.
 
Let me ask you this, AT&T. Will my phone ever work in my house? It's not like I live out in the boonies. I'm in Oakland, CA for crying out loud. It's ridiculous.

Does your home happen to have an Al roof coating (link to example) for insulation? That could a cause the problem (especially if the signal is fine outside your home, and terrible inside).
 
So it will be what, 2015 by the time they work out all of the technical glitches.

More like 2013, but the early adopters are probably going to be on the bleeding edge for a while regardless.

FYI: major reductions in latency (ping times) are a basic design tenet of LTE. It's not just bandwidth that will improve.
 
I'm still waiting to GET 3G to begin with! I barely get EDGE where I am and I am only 15 minutes outside Charlotte one of their primary test areas. AT&T = epic fail.
 
FYI: major reductions in latency (ping times) are a basic design tenet of LTE. It's not just bandwidth that will improve.

Interesting, I just did a test here using an HSPA device, and got a ping of 83 ms; far lower than the 300+ that I'm seeing reported in this thread. Is there something fundamentally wrong with AT&T's network that is causing that high latency?

Edit: That 105 in the post above mine looks a lot better :)
 
Good luck!

Good luck with that! They spend more on advertising than upgrading their infrastructure. I have all the reason that this is just a marketing ploy.
 
Interesting, I just did a test here using an HSPA device, and got a ping of 83 ms; far lower than the 300+ that I'm seeing reported in this thread. Is there something fundamentally wrong with AT&T's network that is causing that high latency?

Edit: That 105 in the post above mine looks a lot better :)

I routinely get 150-ish ms pings on my AT&T 3G, with a record low of 75ms. That's not to say it can't get particularly awful, 350+ ms is not uncommon.
 
Interesting, I just did a test here using an HSPA device, and got a ping of 83 ms; far lower than the 300+ that I'm seeing reported in this thread. Is there something fundamentally wrong with AT&T's network that is causing that high latency?

Edit: That 105 in the post above mine looks a lot better :)

Latency has two parts:

* The radio part

* The Internet part

The radio part will be vastly improved with LTE. Can't do anything for slow websites that are far away on the Internet though.

I think AT&T's current latency with UMTS/HSPA is par for the course.
 
My guesstimate, AT&T says mid 2011 to start. That means late 2012 to 2013 for any widespread support. Apple won't do anything until then (unless AT&T pays them a boatload of money), so I'm guessing the 2013 release of the iPhone before we see it.

AT&T's still supporting the 3g update because LTE will fallback to it if there's no LTE connectivity. Plus, there's still going to be a lot of areas with 3G and no LTE for a while.
 
Please fix 3G first.... :mad:

It is all about the backhaul. The connection that connects the tower to the Internet. That is the hard part. Moving between 3G and 4G is trivial compared to that. They need the backhaul improved regardless of if they run 3G or 4G.

Actually AT&T has been saying this. They are not going to rush in to 4G until the backhaul is ready. Verizon just talks about how fast they want to move to 4G, but they don't say anything about how slow it could be in some areas. I would guess AT&T is weak in places they don't offer DSL and Verizon is weak in areas they don't offer FIOS.
 
Please fix 3G first.... :mad:

Well, maybe not. I know zilch about the hardware but AT&T must be looking at the cost of "fixing" the old technology vs riding it out and spending those $$ on the new 4G accelerated rollout.

How much do you spend on yesterday vs tomorrow???
 
I'm still waiting to GET 3G to begin with! I barely get EDGE where I am and I am only 15 minutes outside Charlotte one of their primary test areas. AT&T = epic fail.

And as anyone from NC will tell you, if you drive 15 minutes outside of Charlotte, it can get to be bumf*ck pretty quickly.

Close proximity to a large, urban area does not entitle you to anything.
 
It is all about the backhaul. The connection that connects the tower to the Internet. That is the hard part. Moving between 3G and 4G is trivial compared to that. They need the backhaul improved regardless of if they run 3G or 4G.

Your first sentence is true. Second is true. Third has merit, however, you swing wildly and miss badly on your fourth. Fifth (last) sentence is also true.
 
And as anyone from NC will tell you, if you drive 15 minutes outside of Charlotte, it can get to be bumf*ck pretty quickly.

Close proximity to a large, urban area does not entitle you to anything.

15 minutes? You're being generous :p. Meck's pretty bad, but try Rockingham sometime :D.

Having I-40 covered in 3G towers would be nice, though, not going to lie.
 
15 minutes? You're being generous :p. Meck's pretty bad, but try Rockingham sometime :D.

Having I-40 covered in 3G towers would be nice, though, not going to lie.

Yeah, I live about 20 minutes north of Charlotte and we got 3G just over a year ago.
 
Hmmm... still only get EDGE or just plain no connection in Studio City, CA. Sounds like they've still got some more towers to put up just to even get 3G.

Umm where in Studio City, I live on Laurel Grove & Ventura(behind Roccos Restaurant), and have 3G all the time :confused:

Are you south or north Ventura Blvd??? LOL, maybe I'll see ya walking around one day!
 
Wow, I can't wait. I also can't wait for 3G to get here. The local AT&T store says the end of Sep, maybe. I doubt it. Edge here is so slow as to be useless most of the time.

John B.
 
LTE = 3.9G in 2011. LTE Advanced = 4G in 2012?

LTE still isn't the full 4G, unless AT&T's definition of "LTE" and "4G" are even more confused than, say, Sprint's. The actual 4G standard hasn't even been chosen yet.

I won't bore anyone with any more details. Read here for more info if you actually care:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4g
 
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