AT&T Nervous About Upcoming iPhone MMS Launch?

gosh i can't wait. it's either gonna be very good or very bad. if it's good, then i get to send crazy pictures and videos on my day off friday!! if it's bad, then my good 'ol blackberry friends will go down with iphones/network crash too! ...i guess that's a good thing! :D

GO IPHONE!
 
All you people who keep saying stuff like "I'm going to send messages to help shut down their network" would be violating the terms and conditions for your service. Stop complaining and at least be grateful we are getting it. I am tired of VzW users rubbing it in my face.
 
All you people who keep saying stuff like "I'm going to send messages to help shut down their network" would be violating the terms and conditions for your service. Stop complaining and at least be grateful we are getting it. I am tired of VzW users rubbing it in my face.

That's nice, but the customers pay for the network, not the other way around...

As for terms/conditions of the service, a deliberate malicious effort to break the network would be against the TOS, sure. At the same time, an overload from people exercising a service that they're paying for might just be the kick in the keister needed for ATT to upgrade their network to acceptable standards.
 
Carriers always have a clause stating they have the right to make changes to service without having consent only notification (this also can get you out of your contracts since the contract you signed up for has changed--so go to VzW or Sprint's horrible phones and service if you want), and since their texting plan does not guarantee MMS capability, you technically aren't paying for a guaranteed service.
 
I'll 2nd That

I think I hear footsteps; yes, it's VERIZON looking over AT&T's shoulder and laughing....:D

Definetly, "VERIZON" needs and will come online to GSM in 2010 and when the iPhone hits with Verizon the sales are going to be up there.

AT&T cant handle this MMS off the bat there's going to be excuse's out the butt.

And according to Yahoo Financial's "Sprint/Nextel" is filing bankruptcy with there "NOW NETWORK" and so far from 4G its not even worth talking about............
 
Verizon has no transition from one technology to another. You think LTE is going to save them HA. All it means is that it is one more network to fall off of.

If it makes you feel any better, Verizon has already demonstrated failover from LTE to EVDO and vice versa.

I think Verizon was right not to say yes to the Iphone the first time because A. Verizon likes control over the software on the phone which would absolutely destroy the current iphone experience.

As anyone who has one knows, Verizon doesn't change smartphone software. It's only the dumbphones that have the same basic UI, so users can switch phones and not have to relearn everything.

Definetly, "VERIZON" needs and will come online to GSM in 2010 and when the iPhone hits with Verizon the sales are going to be up there.

Verizon's not going GSM. They're adding LTE, just like ATT will.
 
Definetly, "VERIZON" needs and will come online to GSM in 2010 and when the iPhone hits with Verizon the sales are going to be up there.

That'd be great -- gives AT&T even more incentive to improve their network even further given real competition. For VZN/iPhone in 2010 to be a reality, three things would have to happen:

1. New iPhones rolled out with LTE (4G) support -- I don't think any of the existing iPhones has a LTE chipset
2. Apple drops carrier exclusivity in the U.S.
3. Verizon rolls out LTE (rumors of it being sometime around 2Q 2010)

The one thing I just really want is AT&T to drop their refusal to allow for unlocking the iPhone once you've fulfilled a contract (2 years, etc...), but no sign of that being on their horizon anytime soon. Alas.

Well, will be interesting to see how today goes. I know MMS works well, having kicked the tires with the 5.1/5.2 IPCC files. :D
 
If you think about it, it's kind of comical. A bunch of people sitting in a room trying to figure out the best way to break it to the customers.

Where do they come up with all this 'LATE' crap? Late summer, late morning? I can understand the summer one a bit - they needed a few months to get ready. But late morning? It's either ready or it's not :D
 
If it makes you feel any better, Verizon has already demonstrated failover from LTE to EVDO and vice versa.



As anyone who has one knows, Verizon doesn't change smartphone software. It's only the dumbphones that have the same basic UI, so users can switch phones and not have to relearn everything.



Verizon's not going GSM. They're adding LTE, just like ATT will.

LTE GSM same thing, LTE/GSM is already being used in the verizon market in test now

Verizon doesnt change there smart phones? Hmmmm in Blackberry a smartphone? I believe so, and does VZW cripple features on the BB? Oh yea they do.
 
Was wondering, for those that are J/B with the itunes carrier update for the mms should we update it or will it remove the j/b or freeze are phones?
 
Yep... lots of factors, and Verizon isn't great either

1. There are two different standards in play for cellular service in the US. The GSM standard (which happens to be the one generally adopted in the rest of the world) is what AT&T and T-Mobile use. Nobody else in the US really uses it. Instead, companies like Verizon, US Cellular and Sprint are all on the CDMA standard instead. GSM signals are weaker and have more problems penetrating buildings, so that automatically gives CDMA carriers perceived "better service", without them spending a dime of extra money on infrastructure improvements.

2. We *all* know AT&T sucks, but it's also very likely true that ANYONE who agreed to an exclusive iPhone deal like AT&T did would suffer the same fate. Since the iPhone offered a better web browsing experience, a big screen compared to most other phones, longer battery life than most (allowing more Internet usage without worrying about running down the battery) and ability to download music and applications straight to the phone from over the air - it all adds up to it being a big "data hog" on the network. It's quite likely that at first, AT&T had no idea what to expect as far as all this usage it generated. (Remember, it was no "sure thing" the iPhone would even be very successful at that time.... and companies like Microsoft were predicting it'd be dead in a year.) They didn't even HAVE the app store ready yet at launch, either. Now that AT&T knows what the situation is, they've still only had maybe 2 years or so to build out the infrastructure to handle it. Meanwhile, iPhones are advancing too, with the 3GS series able to download at twice the speed of previous models!


Wow I'm tired of hearing about this Verizon crap because it's just annoying my friends say it and my family. Lets talk a little about networks to inform the unknowing crowd. Verizon's network has absolutely no backwards compatibility. What does this mean? Well from first hand experience if you drop outside of 3G you lose anything and everything you have been doing. Verizon has no transition from one technology to another. You think LTE is going to save them HA. All it means is that it is one more network to fall off of. For example lets say your streaming o I don't know youtube and you drop to 3G currently they have absolutely no way of you losing your feed because Verizon spends absolutely no money on this factor. Yes they released 3G first but I had their 3g and it was absolutely horrible. It was slow by my standards and whenever I was on a call randomly it would drop cause I would lose 3g signal
and have to redial the person I was calling. There is a reason not to jump on another generation of towers before the previous ones are substantial enough to handle the load. I like the fact that with AT&T I don't lose what I am doing because I lose 3g and believe me when I say I have faith AT&T will do the same with their 4g towers. Now to move onto the MMS thing I think AT&T is probably going to have serious network problems for maybe the first 3 days because lets face it obviously the pictures on the phones are slightly better quality than those taken and lets say a standard phone. I am disappointed that At&T hordes money before investing in say more MMS capabilities but Verizon is not all high and mighty and Verizon really is still currently using ancient technology. I think Verizon was right not to say yes to the Iphone the first time because A. Verizon likes control over the software on the phone which would absolutely destroy the current iphone experience. B. All of Verizon's network claims have all been done by internal studies WOW wooptidoo Basil. C. Who wants to go with old technology that doesn't even have a fall back if something happens and you lose coverage, not to mention that AT&T at least has agreements with other companies to use their towers and take their phones worldwide....Verizon's phones only have maybe 4-5 phones that can go to european countries WOW...not...not impressed...and ends my rant....Make fun of this all you want :D I really don't see Verizon having as much success with the Iphone as AT&T has already had.
 
1. There are two different standards in play for cellular service in the US. The GSM standard (which happens to be the one generally adopted in the rest of the world) is what AT&T and T-Mobile use. Nobody else in the US really uses it. Instead, companies like Verizon, US Cellular and Sprint are all on the CDMA standard instead. GSM signals are weaker and have more problems penetrating buildings, so that automatically gives CDMA carriers perceived "better service", without them spending a dime of extra money on infrastructure improvements.

2. We *all* know AT&T sucks, but it's also very likely true that ANYONE who agreed to an exclusive iPhone deal like AT&T did would suffer the same fate. Since the iPhone offered a better web browsing experience, a big screen compared to most other phones, longer battery life than most (allowing more Internet usage without worrying about running down the battery) and ability to download music and applications straight to the phone from over the air - it all adds up to it being a big "data hog" on the network. It's quite likely that at first, AT&T had no idea what to expect as far as all this usage it generated. (Remember, it was no "sure thing" the iPhone would even be very successful at that time.... and companies like Microsoft were predicting it'd be dead in a year.) They didn't even HAVE the app store ready yet at launch, either. Now that AT&T knows what the situation is, they've still only had maybe 2 years or so to build out the infrastructure to handle it. Meanwhile, iPhones are advancing too, with the 3GS series able to download at twice the speed of previous models!

I think that people are expecting an infrastructure to just appear out of nowhere to handle the given max network load at any given time. Is that realistic? It takes up to 2 years to go through the local court system just to get APPROVAL to build the tower because no one wants to see them. How long has the Iphone been out?
 
Hey, wait just a minute here!

Your post is full of information and logic. What the hell is it doing here? :)

1. There are two different standards in play for cellular service in the US. The GSM standard (which happens to be the one generally adopted in the rest of the world) is what AT&T and T-Mobile use. Nobody else in the US really uses it. Instead, companies like Verizon, US Cellular and Sprint are all on the CDMA standard instead. GSM signals are weaker and have more problems penetrating buildings, so that automatically gives CDMA carriers perceived "better service", without them spending a dime of extra money on infrastructure improvements.

2. We *all* know AT&T sucks, but it's also very likely true that ANYONE who agreed to an exclusive iPhone deal like AT&T did would suffer the same fate. Since the iPhone offered a better web browsing experience, a big screen compared to most other phones, longer battery life than most (allowing more Internet usage without worrying about running down the battery) and ability to download music and applications straight to the phone from over the air - it all adds up to it being a big "data hog" on the network. It's quite likely that at first, AT&T had no idea what to expect as far as all this usage it generated. (Remember, it was no "sure thing" the iPhone would even be very successful at that time.... and companies like Microsoft were predicting it'd be dead in a year.) They didn't even HAVE the app store ready yet at launch, either. Now that AT&T knows what the situation is, they've still only had maybe 2 years or so to build out the infrastructure to handle it. Meanwhile, iPhones are advancing too, with the 3GS series able to download at twice the speed of previous models!
 
Absolutely ridiculous their network can't handle a few pictures and videos from iphones.

it is ridiculous!! i don't care what their excuses are but I'm gonna make sure that I'm gonna F*** up their network by sending as much video/pix as i can!!! lets all get together and mess up their networks just to get them back for all the stupid stunts they pull off!
 
I'm excited to watch them go down in flames on this MMS launch. Hehe. I don't care what people do at this point.

You're an ATT (only replace TT with the letter tha comes before it)

You obviously care since a) you're still posting here b) you want AT&T to go down in flames.

If you truly didn't care - you wouldn't bother to post or read in threads like this.
 
it is ridiculous!! i don't care what their excuses are but I'm gonna make sure that I'm gonna F*** up their network by sending as much video/pix as i can!!! lets all get together and mess up their networks just to get them back for all the stupid stunts they pull off!


So you're going to try to ruin the network (and probably not have any success at it) for everyone else because you're pissed you had to wait a couple months for MMS?
 
Stop Whining

Do you really think Verizon's network will be any better once people jump ship from AT&T to them?

You will have the same issues regardless of what carrier you have. Untill the US is on a national 3G or 4G wireless network across the all wireless providers these issues will continue.

Think before you speak and type.
 
it is ridiculous!! i don't care what their excuses are but I'm gonna make sure that I'm gonna F*** up their network by sending as much video/pix as i can!!! lets all get together and mess up their networks just to get them back for all the stupid stunts they pull off!

Free pigs in a blanket for everyone!
 
At&t

Wow everyone wants to blame AT&T (yes I hate them as much as the next guy)but lets remember they were Apple’s choice.
 
LTE GSM same thing, LTE/GSM is already being used in the verizon market in test now

No. LTE is not just used by GSM networks. LTE is a fairly loose 4G standard, and in fact it's the CDMA networks that seem to be defining LTE more by being the first to write equipment standards and implement it.

CDMA is also going to be around for many years for dumbphones.

If Verizon sold a LTE handset before its network is fully rolled out in 2014, then it will likely have a CDMA radio to fall back on.

LG has already demonstrated a device with both LTE and CDMA radios, and I believe that QualComm is going even further with a combination LTE/CDMA/GSM chipset.
 
Didn't Apple go to Verizon with the prototype first and get turned down?

I believe so. Apple was demanding to much and Verizon said no. For a while they might of regretted it but now I bet Verizon is really glad they turned it down. They are watching how much AT&T is struggling dealing with the insane network demands of iPhone users. If anything AT&T might just be breaking even on the iPhone much less making much profit off of them.

Hell I would not be surprised if over all these problems Apple lost more bargaining power than it has gained. AT&T could be very willing to state they are only going to subsidize the iPhone as much as other smart phones, no longer pay Apple the usage fees.
 
MMS? What's the real news?

MMS has been around for years. AT&T needs to grow up. I've had MMS on all of my phones for years without problems. They're pretty much stealing money from everyone because of the exclusive contract for the iPhone...the one thing they can at least offer is having MMS!!! I can browse the web and tether my phone but I can't MMS on an iPhone? GET REAL!
 
Wow I have to say some of you Verizon people do speak some pretty damn good intelligence. However the Iphone has already been on at&t for so long and at&t knows what they got with the Iphone. Lets not forget that in the agreement clause at&t gets first dibs on resigning another contract..Now I will agree at&t has some major improvement to do on their network what it ultimately comes down to is shareholders money and who has the money to invest in technology. As far as I am concerned America just hit the dark ages with 3G All over I mean look at Japan and Korea the comparison is like shooting a automatic mammoth peeler verses a half naked confused apeman throwing stones at a mammoth. (really confusing metaphor I know but I just got out of martial arts belt testing so my brain is tired) Now where I was going though is that I think at&t knows they need to spend the money to keep the customers though I think their latest you can by your own tower for home but you need internet with us is a whole load of crap. What at&t should really be doing is building the remaining hsdpa and hsupa towers faster like within the next 3 quarters and starting a real push for LTE towers in major cities before the next *cough cough* Iphone revision comes out and hey lets have it capable of 4g at least while we are at it!
I just am tired of reading about all this Verizon this Verizon that I highly doubt the situation would be different with them they might have even held out on MMS even longer because who knows...that is all in the alternate universe :) second rant campaign completed !
 
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