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AT&T Reports 3.1 Million iPhone Activations in 4Q 2009

not a huge at&t fan...actually, not a fan of any telcoms or cable companies for that matter.

anyway, i wonder if the top guys at verizon ever regret their decision to not partner with apple...with at&t recording massive profits and with verizon just announcing a loss and a bunch of layoffs, one can only imagine what would have happened had verizon capitulated to apple's demands and carried the iphone...
 
kugino said:
not a huge at&t fan...actually, not a fan of any telcoms or cable companies for that matter.

anyway, i wonder if the top guys at verizon ever regret their decision to not partner with apple...with at&t recording massive profits and with verizon just announcing a loss and a bunch of layoffs, one can only imagine what would have happened had verizon capitulated to apple's demands and carried the iphone...
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VZW operating profit = $4.3 billion
AT&T Wireless operating profit = $3.4 billion

Total churn
VZW: 1.42 (1.44 is total retail churn)
ATTW 1.44

Postpaid churn
VZW 1.06
ATTW 1.19

Total ARPU
VZW $49.49 ($13.548 billion / 91.249 million subscribers / 3 months)
AT&T $49.37 ($12.607 billion / 85.120 million subscribers / 3 months)

Total Data ARPU
VZW $16.04 ($16.24 is retail data ARPU)
ATTW $15.27 ($3.9 billion / 85.120 million subscribers / 3 months)

http://investor.verizon.com/financial/quarterly/vz/4Q2009/4Q09Bulletin.pdf?t=634002877338217955

http://www.att.com/Investor/Financial/Earning_Info/docs/4Q_09_IB_FINAL.pdf

VZW has 7.2% more subscribers than ATTW, but VZW has 26.5% more operating profits than ATTW.
 
kugino said:
not a huge at&t fan...actually, not a fan of any telcoms or cable companies for that matter.

anyway, i wonder if the top guys at verizon ever regret their decision to not partner with apple...with at&t recording massive profits and with verizon just announcing a loss and a bunch of layoffs, one can only imagine what would have happened had verizon capitulated to apple's demands and carried the iphone...
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Make sure you're talking about Verizon Wireless (VZW), not Verizon Communicatons (landlines). Verizon Communcations is the company that just announced the loss and the lay-offs, not VZW. Verizon Wireless is a different company than Verizon Communications, and the two companies financials aren't reported as one.
 
rjohnstone said:
Nope... the iPad uses the new microSIM card. Not the same size as the one in the iPhone.
Some light reading on the subject.
http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/27/apple-ipads-micro-sim-explained/
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*sigh* this could be a deal breaker for me. any idea if i could just take out the entire sim try and put it in? cause i read that the connectors are the same on the reg sim and the micro sim.

or can i get a microsim and a iphone microsim adapter and move my things to there?
 
samab said:
VZW operating profit = $4.3 billion
AT&T Wireless operating profit = $3.4 billion

Total churn
VZW: 1.42 (1.44 is total retail churn)
ATTW 1.44

Postpaid churn
VZW 1.06
ATTW 1.19

Total ARPU
VZW $49.49 ($13.548 billion / 91.249 million subscribers / 3 months)
AT&T $49.37 ($12.607 billion / 85.120 million subscribers / 3 months)

Total Data ARPU
VZW $16.04 ($16.24 is retail data ARPU)
ATTW $15.27 ($3.9 billion / 85.120 million subscribers / 3 months)

http://investor.verizon.com/financial/quarterly/vz/4Q2009/4Q09Bulletin.pdf?t=634002877338217955

http://www.att.com/Investor/Financial/Earning_Info/docs/4Q_09_IB_FINAL.pdf

VZW has 7.2% more subscribers than ATTW, but VZW has 26.5% more operating profits than ATTW.
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You do not say how much of those numbers are reflected by the merger with AllTel though. That makes a huge difference...and over time, things will even out. Actually, AT&T in 4Q took in 2.7 million and VZW took in 2.2.

I had Verizon for 8 years and liked the service, the phone selection I always struggled with though. Seems like lately they have picked their game up. I switched to AT&T for the iPhone and have been happy with my service. I actually get better service at my house now with AT&T. I live in the Chicago land area and AT&T is pretty close to VZW.

I believe if VZW would of been smart and got the iPhone, their network would be taking a huge huge hit. We'll never know b/c they will NEVER be the only network with the iPhone. I am looking forward to other networks getting the iPhone b/c that will only help AT&T's network.

Verizon's problem is they have a dying technology...CDMA. Verizon I believe won't get the iPhone till 2011 when LTE is live and like said above, it is only CDMA/LTE so the iPhone for VZW will not have something to fall back on the iPhone will like with AT&T or t-mobile.
 
Kstone113 said:
You do not say how much of those numbers are reflected by the merger with AllTel though. That makes a huge difference...and over time, things will even out. Actually, AT&T in 4Q took in 2.7 million and VZW took in 2.2.

I had Verizon for 8 years and liked the service, the phone selection I always struggled with though. Seems like lately they have picked their game up. I switched to AT&T for the iPhone and have been happy with my service. I actually get better service at my house now with AT&T. I live in the Chicago land area and AT&T is pretty close to VZW.

I believe if VZW would of been smart and got the iPhone, their network would be taking a huge huge hit. We'll never know b/c they will NEVER be the only network with the iPhone. I am looking forward to other networks getting the iPhone b/c that will only help AT&T's network.

Verizon's problem is they have a dying technology...CDMA. Verizon I believe won't get the iPhone till 2011 when LTE is live and like said above, it is only CDMA/LTE so the iPhone for VZW will not have something to fall back on the iPhone will like with AT&T or t-mobile.
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Alltel merger actually raised VZW's churn rate for the worse.

AT&T Wireless gets 1 million e-reader subscribers --- wow, these are $2 a month for AT&T Wireless. A million of these --- 2 million dollars.

http://www.fiercewireless.com/story..._medium=rss&utm_source=rss&cmp-id=OTC-RSS-FW0

What we have here is VZW getting more postpaid subscribers than ATTW, and ATTW getting more of these useless $2 a month subscribers.

No point for Verizon to get the iphone if VZW already can attract more postpaid subscribers and they have overall higher total ARPU and data ARPU.
 
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