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It's almost like your saying if i'm eating at an all you can eat buffet. I should for the sake of the restaurant go home and eat the food I have there instead of eating what I pay for so I can help the restaurant and the other customers. Or as I reach this so called limit at the buffet I can keep eating , but I can only eat crumbs until the next billing cycle. Why is it my responsibility that I limit myself when I pay for an unlimited plan! Do you not understand what unlimited means?

Well if we are comparing to an eating establishment with a buffet and menu, but they have a limited amount of noodles left. I expect those who order off the menu to get the menu's normal allotment with a fresh batch of noodles. I expect everyone who got the lunch buffet to form a line, and digest what they can leaving some for the others in the rest of the lunch line. I expect it to slow down for all the lunch buffet users during prime time usage, not just because one guy is fatter than everyone else and is on his eighth meal of the day. Some people just got to eat. Now if this is a buffet open all day, so what if you pay for the buffet in the morning and stay all night long? It's all you can eat till you run them out of business right? It's fair because AT&T obviously has more cash than me, so I need to be as liberal as I can and get more than I pay for... assuming of course data is free. The last time I checked, even businesses pay for data limits on hard lines. Is it legal/moral to walk into a free wifi point, Denial of Service all the other users so you get more usable bandwidth? When bandwidth is in demand, they should slow everyone down and last I checked near any hospital it is slow as molasses. Or is it justified to make the fat kid go to the back of the line? I do not expect a gas line be installed to a gas station because at noon everyone decides to go fill up their cars. I expect you to be intelligent and pick a different time of day to fill up with gas when the network is less bogged down.
 
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Any outrage you sense in this forum stems not from a sense of entitlement but from the fact that people had signed contracts for unlimited data with expectations that did not match what they are now receiving.

No, the outrage really *is* from a sense of entitlement. After all these people set their expectations based on the word 'unlimited' rather than on the terms of the contract they signed, which *explicitly* spells out a number of circumstances (including network health/congestion) when bandwidth may be deliberately constrained.

In said contract, 'unlimited' clearly refers to the data *use* being unlimited. It says no such thing about the moment-to-moment bandwidth. In other words, 'unlimited' means 'no overage charges', not 'as much data as I can suck down at guaranteed maximum bandwidth!!!!'.

Read the contract you're signing, then either set your expectations based on that contract, or *don't sign it*. It's neither my fault, nor AT&T's fault that these these 'outraged' people couldn't be bothered to read and understand the contract they signed.
 
Unless ATT's policy makes their unlimited plan superior to their limited plan in some ways like more than 5GB (3GB isn't gonna cut it), there's a good case to be made that its not anymore unlimited than the 3GB or 5GB plan. Customers should sue, and they will most likely win.
 
No, the outrage really *is* from a sense of entitlement. After all these people set their expectations based on the word 'unlimited' rather than on the terms of the contract they signed, which *explicitly* spells out a number of circumstances (including network health/congestion) when bandwidth may be deliberately constrained.

In said contract, 'unlimited' clearly refers to the data *use* being unlimited. It says no such thing about the moment-to-moment bandwidth. In other words, 'unlimited' means 'no overage charges', not 'as much data as I can suck down at guaranteed maximum bandwidth!!!!'.

Read the contract you're signing, then either set your expectations based on that contract, or *don't sign it*. It's neither my fault, nor AT&T's fault that these these 'outraged' people couldn't be bothered to read and understand the contract they signed.

Does this mean that being throttled for about 2 GB of "unlimited" usage when there are 3GB and 5GB data plans available is nothing wrong from AT&T's side?
 
Nice! New material change in condition to the original contract! AT&T, yOu have the ********* lawyers. I cannot wait for a class action.

Unfortunately, as others have pointed out, our AT&T contracts specifically forbid us from filing a class action lawsuit against them.
Another poster clarified and said that its legality has even gone to the courts and they sided with AT&T saying it was OK for them to throw that clause in.
 
If their definition of unlimited is spelt "unlimited", can't we use the same elastic interpretation for "Total amount" when we pay their bills.

I say Unlimited users give them the same percentage of money as what plan calls for would , as what the percentage of 3 GB is of ∞ GB is. It should work, shouldn't it?:(
 
Unfortunately, as others have pointed out, our AT&T contracts specifically forbid us from filing a class action lawsuit against them.
Another poster clarified and said that its legality has even gone to the courts and they sided with AT&T saying it was OK for them to throw that clause in.
It's in the contract under the arbitration agreement.

See the bold parts.

ARBITRATION AGREEMENT
(1) AT&T and you agree to arbitrate all disputes and claims between us. This agreement to arbitrate is intended to be broadly interpreted. It includes, but is not limited to:

  • claims arising out of or relating to any aspect of the relationship between us, whether based in contract, tort, statute, fraud, misrepresentation or any other legal theory;
  • claims that arose before this or any prior Agreement (including, but not limited to, claims relating to advertising);
  • claims that are currently the subject of purported class action litigation in which you are not a member of a certified class; and
  • claims that may arise after the termination of this Agreement.

References to "AT&T," "you," and "us" include our respective subsidiaries, affiliates, agents, employees, predecessors in interest, successors, and assigns, as well as all authorized or unauthorized users or beneficiaries of services or Devices under this or prior Agreements between us. Notwithstanding the foregoing, either party may bring an individual action in small claims court. This arbitration agreement does not preclude you from bringing issues to the attention of federal, state, or local agencies, including, for example, the Federal Communications Commission. Such agencies can, if the law allows, seek relief against us on your behalf. You agree that, by entering into this Agreement, you and AT&T are each waiving the right to a trial by jury or to participate in a class action. This Agreement evidences a transaction in interstate commerce, and thus the Federal Arbitration Act governs the interpretation and enforcement of this provision. This arbitration provision shall survive termination of this Agreement.

(2) A party who intends to seek arbitration must first send to the other, by certified mail, a written Notice of Dispute ("Notice"). The Notice to AT&T should be addressed to: Office for Dispute Resolution, AT&T, 1025 Lenox Park Blvd., Atlanta, GA 30319 ("Notice Address"). The Notice must (a) describe the nature and basis of the claim or dispute; and (b) set forth the specific relief sought ("Demand"). If AT&T and you do not reach an agreement to resolve the claim within 30 days after the Notice is received, you or AT&T may commence an arbitration proceeding. During the arbitration, the amount of any settlement offer made by AT&T or you shall not be disclosed to the arbitrator until after the arbitrator determines the amount, if any, to which you or AT&T is entitled. You may download or copy a form Notice and a form to initiate arbitration at att.com/arbitration-forms.

(3) After AT&T receives notice at the Notice Address that you have commenced arbitration, it will promptly reimburse you for your payment of the filing fee, unless your claim is for greater than $75,000. (The filing fee currently is $125 for claims under $10,000 but is subject to change by the arbitration provider. If you are unable to pay this fee, AT&T will pay it directly upon receiving a written request at the Notice Address.) The arbitration will be governed by the Commercial Arbitration Rules and the Supplementary Procedures for Consumer Related Disputes (collectively, "AAA Rules") of the American Arbitration Association ("AAA"), as modified by this Agreement, and will be administered by the AAA. The AAA Rules are available online at adr.org, by calling the AAA at 1-800-778-7879, or by writing to the Notice Address. (You may obtain information that is designed for non-lawyers about the arbitration process at att.com/arbitration-information.) The arbitrator is bound by the terms of this Agreement. All issues are for the arbitrator to decide, except that issues relating to the scope and enforceability of the arbitration provision are for the court to decide. Unless AT&T and you agree otherwise, any arbitration hearings will take place in the county (or parish) of your billing address. If your claim is for $10,000 or less, we agree that you may choose whether the arbitration will be conducted solely on the basis of documents submitted to the arbitrator, through a telephonic hearing, or by an in-person hearing as established by the AAA Rules. If your claim exceeds $10,000, the right to a hearing will be determined by the AAA Rules. Regardless of the manner in which the arbitration is conducted, the arbitrator shall issue a reasoned written decision sufficient to explain the essential findings and conclusions on which the award is based. Except as otherwise provided for herein, AT&T will pay all AAA filing, administration, and arbitrator fees for any arbitration initiated in accordance with the notice requirements above. If, however, the arbitrator finds that either the substance of your claim or the relief sought in the Demand is frivolous or brought for an improper purpose (as measured by the standards set forth in Federal Rule of Civil Procedure 11(b)), then the payment of all such fees will be governed by the AAA Rules. In such case, you agree to reimburse AT&T for all monies previously disbursed by it that are otherwise your obligation to pay under the AAA Rules. In addition, if you initiate an arbitration in which you seek more than $75,000 in damages, the payment of these fees will be governed by the AAA rules.

(4) If, after finding in your favor in any respect on the merits of your claim, the arbitrator issues you an award that is greater than the value of AT&T's last written settlement offer made before an arbitrator was selected, then AT&T will:


  • pay you the amount of the award or $10,000 ("the alternative payment"), whichever is greater; and
  • pay your attorney, if any, twice the amount of attorneys' fees, and reimburse any expenses (including expert witness fees and costs) that your attorney reasonably accrues for investigating, preparing, and pursuing your claim in arbitration ("the attorney premium").

If AT&T did not make a written offer to settle the dispute before an arbitrator was selected, you and your attorney will be entitled to receive the alternative payment and the attorney premium, respectively, if the arbitrator awards you any relief on the merits. The arbitrator may make rulings and resolve disputes as to the payment and reimbursement of fees, expenses, and the alternative payment and the attorney premium at any time during the proceeding and upon request from either party made within 14 days of the arbitrator's ruling on the merits.

(5) The right to attorneys' fees and expenses discussed in paragraph (4) supplements any right to attorneys' fees and expenses you may have under applicable law. Thus, if you would be entitled to a larger amount under the applicable law, this provision does not preclude the arbitrator from awarding you that amount. However, you may not recover duplicative awards of attorneys' fees or costs. Although under some laws AT&T may have a right to an award of attorneys' fees and expenses if it prevails in an arbitration, AT&T agrees that it will not seek such an award.

(6) The arbitrator may award declaratory or injunctive relief only in favor of the individual party seeking relief and only to the extent necessary to provide relief warranted by that party's individual claim. YOU AND AT&T AGREE THAT EACH MAY BRING CLAIMS AGAINST THE OTHER ONLY IN YOUR OR ITS INDIVIDUAL CAPACITY, AND NOT AS A PLAINTIFF OR CLASS MEMBER IN ANY PURPORTED CLASS OR REPRESENTATIVE PROCEEDING. Further, unless both you and AT&T agree otherwise, the arbitrator may not consolidate more than one person's claims, and may not otherwise preside over any form of a representative or class proceeding. If this specific provision is found to be unenforceable, then the entirety of this arbitration provision shall be null and void.

And here is how you start the process....
http://www.att.com/esupport/article.jsp?sid=KB72565&cv=820#fbid=HkLj1WM5Wr8

AT&T will even pick up the tab if the claim is legitimate. Even if you lose.


For any non-frivolous claim that does not exceed $75,000, AT&T will pay all costs of arbitration, no matter who wins. Moreover, in arbitration you are entitled to recover attorneys fees from AT&T to at least the same extent as you would be in court. In addition, under certain circumstances explained below, AT&T will pay you more than the amount of the arbitrator's award and will pay your attorney (if any) twice his or her reasonable attorneys' fees if the arbitrator awards you an amount that is greater than what AT&T has offered you to settle the dispute.
 
It's almost like your saying if i'm eating at an all you can eat buffet. I should for the sake of the restaurant go home and eat the food I have there instead of eating what I pay for so I can help the restaurant and the other customers. Or as I reach this so called limit at the buffet I can keep eating , but I can only eat crumbs until the next billing cycle. Why is it my responsibility that I limit myself when I pay for an unlimited plan! Do you not understand what unlimited means?

But how would you feel if the person in front of you took all the steak, had one small bite and threw out the rest? Then did it again and again. Is that "reasonable"? I'm not disagreeing with the point you are making, but there are a lot of "unlimited" things in this world that have a limit. Next time you rent a car with unlimited miles, look at the contract carefully.
People on here have a lot of different ideas of what is reasonable, AT&T has now defined what their's is.
 
Unfortunately, as others have pointed out, our AT&T contracts specifically forbid us from filing a class action lawsuit against them.
Another poster clarified and said that its legality has even gone to the courts and they sided with AT&T saying it was OK for them to throw that clause in.

Thank you Supreme Court!
 
But how would you feel if the person in front of you took all the steak, had one small bite and threw out the rest? Then did it again and again. Is that "reasonable"? I'm not disagreeing with the point you are making, but there are a lot of "unlimited" things in this world that have a limit. Next time you rent a car with unlimited miles, look at the contract carefully.
People on here have a lot of different ideas of what is reasonable, AT&T has now defined what their's is.

Good point. Although I don't think many were actually being literal about having absolutely unlimited data in the sense that it would be endless and at top speed, because there are actual technological constraints with doing that. But I think that in this situation, people aren't upset about AT&T throttling in general but when they throttle (less than 3 GB of usage recently) and how much they slow speeds down (almost unusable according to some). AT&T was throttling unlimited users for using less data than AT&T's own 3 GB plan, which made no sense. The way they define it now is at least a step in the right direction of being up front about things but they definitely weren't always that way.
 
Unless ATT's policy makes their unlimited plan superior to their limited plan in some ways like more than 5GB (3GB isn't gonna cut it), there's a good case to be made that its not anymore unlimited than the 3GB or 5GB plan. Customers should sue, and they will most likely win.
It is superior and it is still unlimited in that you can continue to use data at no additional charge.

You don't get charged an extra $10 for going over like the limited plan users do... just slowed down. ;)

I've gone through my contract and "speed" is never guaranteed... hell the service itself is not even guaranteed to be available 100% of the time.
They state that fact in the contract.

And all this down voting for stating facts is childish.
 
Legalities aside, this is pretty simple if you take a step back. ATT has always had problems with bandwidth, because of how their network is build. Vzn's network is built different. So ATT is sort of "stuck with" some data hogs who have unlimited plans. And they've devised a strategy to either switch them to limited plans or give them the old heave ho. 'Cause the average smartphone uses less than 1GB of data/month, maybe less than 1/2GB. I've only used aabout 350mb in a month, and I think I use my phone quite a bit. I use Wifi at home. ATT would rather not have you if you're a hog, just like an all you can eat buffet doesn't want a room full of fat dudes pigging out. Read the bold print at the top of your contract: THE CARRIER ALWAYS WINS. :D
 
anyone have their original contract for unlimited?

I can't find my contract, I studied Business Law in college and wanted to go over the contract to see if we have any recourse on sueing ATT.

I've stayed with ATT because of the Unlimited. Otherwise I would have left to verizon or sprint.
 
Well it's nice of them to raise the limit for LTE users. Thirty dollars a month for 5GB without throttling is not a bad deal with current plans.
 
I can't find my contract, I studied Business Law in college and wanted to go over the contract to see if we have any recourse on sueing ATT.

I've stayed with ATT because of the Unlimited. Otherwise I would have left to verizon or sprint.

They're all limited now so it's not like one is better than another.
 
Just keep suing their arses... over and over and over and over. Eventually either AT&T will grow tired or the FCC may take notice, stand up, grow some brass ones, and do something about it.

Remember that Comcast got in serious trouble for doing the same thing just a couple years back...
 
I'm so sick of this "hog" idea being thrown around for heavy data users. It's a bunch of BS. We are not pulling data from a big bucket that gets refilled once a month. By this I mean if a so called "hog" is using alot of data at 3am -6am is he really putting a strain on the network ? No, he is not.

Data is more like the local highway, during the off hours everything is going fine, not many people are on it, during prime hours it is slowed down. If att were smart they would say "Once you go over your 3 gb you will be throttled when the network is congested or between 8am - 6pm."

This way on the off hours you still get good speeds when there are less people on. The way it is now is nothing more than some sort of punishment for going over 3gb.
 
Just keep suing their arses... over and over and over and over. Eventually either AT&T will grow tired or the FCC may take notice, stand up, grow some brass ones, and do something about it.

Remember that Comcast got in serious trouble for doing the same thing just a couple years back...

A few small claims will not do anything but irritiate them and destroy whatever incentive is left for keeping the dated plan alive.
 
I may have missed this earlier...but I've seen numerous people point out that you can use 3gb or better with ease...and I suppose this is true...but consider my usage for a moment.

I've had iPhones since the 1st day they were available, and since that model upgraded to the 3GS and the 4 (no 4s). People comment that I am on it incessantly. I am constantly looking things up and browsing the web, checking and sending email, occasionally streaming music and rarely streaming part of a netflix movie. Looking back over the past 18 months, I've peaked at 1.4GB, while averaging about 750mb...these past two months were at 1GB. From most people I meet that use iPhones or other smart phones, I'm on the outer extreme of users...to the point that people comment on it.

I have a difficult time imagining someonen using 4 x that amount. It feels as though this would not be the top 5% of users, but more like the top 1/2 of 1 % of users. By contrast my wife uses about 100mb/mo...my son would use more, but he is limited to 200mb/mo

Per this latest offering from ATT, I would have to double my peak or quadruple my average to get to their new 'cap'.

As much as I would like to consider a different provider, I think that will have to wait until we see LTE or similar to level the playing field
 
I wish Apple would take some of that billions and just buy their own wireless spectrum....

I know Apple and Google compete in the phone market, but I'd like to see them jointly run a communications network.

I could see them offering a DATA ONLY plan. Where the phone basically becomes a VOIP app. this would be more in line with how people use their devices anyways.
imaging your phone # being tied to your iCloud (and/or google voice) login, switching devices, ringing multiple devices, etc... would all be easier. you could even have multiple numbers tied to multiple devices. All kinds of possibilities with that.
 
It is superior and it is still unlimited in that you can continue to use data at no additional charge.

You don't get charged an extra $10 for going over like the limited plan users do... just slowed down. ;)

I've gone through my contract and "speed" is never guaranteed... hell the service itself is not even guaranteed to be available 100% of the time.
They state that fact in the contract.

And all this down voting for stating facts is childish.

The thing is, many users have reported that speeds are so slow that data is literally unusable. Web pages won't load, YouTube videos won't buffer, etc. Sure, speed might not be guaranteed, but throttling to the point of making data useless isn't reasonable either.
 
I may have missed this earlier...but I've seen numerous people point out that you can use 3gb or better with ease...and I suppose this is true...but consider my usage for a moment.

I've had iPhones since the 1st day they were available, and since that model upgraded to the 3GS and the 4 (no 4s). People comment that I am on it incessantly. I am constantly looking things up and browsing the web, checking and sending email, occasionally streaming music and rarely streaming part of a netflix movie. Looking back over the past 18 months, I've peaked at 1.4GB, while averaging about 750mb...these past two months were at 1GB. From most people I meet that use iPhones or other smart phones, I'm on the outer extreme of users...to the point that people comment on it.

I have a difficult time imagining someonen using 4 x that amount. It feels as though this would not be the top 5% of users, but more like the top 1/2 of 1 % of users. By contrast my wife uses about 100mb/mo...my son would use more, but he is limited to 200mb/mo

Per this latest offering from ATT, I would have to double my peak or quadruple my average to get to their new 'cap'.

As much as I would like to consider a different provider, I think that will have to wait until we see LTE or similar to level the playing field

Try using Ituens match for a day then , or we not supposed to be able to use features that the phone is made for? Lets restruct innovation because some crappy company cnat meet data becuase it keeps adding new users when it cant even meet its existign users demands
 
The thing is, many users have reported that speeds are so slow that data is literally unusable. Web pages won't load, YouTube videos won't buffer, etc. Sure, speed might not be guaranteed, but throttling to the point of making data useless isn't reasonable either.

True, a lot of people (AT&T trolls) don't realize that. Once u hit the ceiling (throttled), u won't be able to do much with your smartphone.
 
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