AT&T Rollover data?

[Dmunjal]

now since you got the subject going here we go.
yes profits are important and perhaps most important but only and ONLY in the long term. what US corporations are doing is called monkey greed. they maximize profits in the short term, maybe 10 years or so but fail to look in the long term. for example AT&T and Verizon have clearly monopoly over the US. They have maximized their profits but like monkeys fail to see what is going to happen in the long term. They have staggered the innovation to maximize profits and the end result is that US got slower internet connection than Romania and other Easter European countries which are part of EU. For example in Poland I can get 3G 4Gb data plan for 15USD, in US AT&T offers me 200mb for $15. And the end result is that US in recession. Now what do you think happens when basic infrastructure is below other countries? all of the suddent innovation fails, no more new businesses and loss of jobs. Now with people growing poorer they will cut down on services such as data plans, which will screw over ATTs income in the long term unless of course they get a bail out. thanks to the corruption in US govt and the way corporations have monopolized the country we see a fast decline of US standard of living. perhaps not too long from now US will be comparable to Mexico. Good thing I am a dual citizen and can work anywhere in EU.

Why is the US leading in 4G LTE deployment over Europe and much of Asia then?

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yet funny now it is, that standard of living in Europe is much higher than in US. you don't see half as many people on the streets, everywhere in my country there are freeways being built, we got much cheaper Internet and not the mention health care. I hope when I come back US can have such failure.

It's easy to create a high standard of living on a credit card. Most of the EU is in debt and has high taxes to support the state.

The US is also in debt (to support its social programs) but at least it keeps taxes low to encourage innovation. Apple, and the iPod/iPhone/iPad, could never have been created in the EU.

 

[lordofthereef]

The US is also in debt (to support its social programs) but at least it keeps taxes low to encourage innovation. Apple, and the iPod/iPhone/iPad, could never have been created in the EU.

And yet they still continue to outsource anything and everything they can... (they being virtually all companies)

 

[HitchHykr]

So...anyways....about rollover data...that would be a great idea, I hope AT&T implements something similar or shared data for family plans/devices.

 

[Dmunjal]

And yet they still continue to outsource anything and everything they can... (they being virtually all companies)

Yes, every corporation has always seeked out the lowest costs for land, labor, and capital. That is the nature of business. Before, it meant moving to different states. Maybe hiring immigrants or younger workers. Now, it means hiring people all around the world, build plants or outsource around the world, and generate capital from all around the world. This is called globalization and it has benefitted the world overall including billions of poor in the what were third-world countries.

The downside is that some employees in the manufacturing industry lost their jobs in this country. Yes, this requires new training, new education, and difficult transitions for many. But the same thing happened to folks who built horse-drawn carriages or sold music CDs in retail stores.

Things change and innovation and globalization will continue. The goal is to get ahead of it (like Apple has done) or get left behind.

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So...anyways....about rollover data...that would be a great idea, I hope AT&T implements something similar or shared data for family plans/devices.

Sorry to derail the thread. Once Verizon offers data sharing, I'm sure AT&T will, too.

 

[lordofthereef]

^^^ My point was that outsourcing is what drives innovation today, not simply lowered taxes. If you put a cork on outsourcing (extremely difficult to do, but let's just imagine it IS that easy) I am sure you would see Apple flounder pretty badly. The vast majority of new products we see are developed outside of the US. Apple has done well, no doubt. I wouldn't say that's BECAUSE of great tax rates, etc. etc.

 

[Dmunjal]

^^^ My point was that outsourcing is what drives innovation today, not simply lowered taxes. If you put a cork on outsourcing (extremely difficult to do, but let's just imagine it IS that easy) I am sure you would see Apple flounder pretty badly. The vast majority of new products we see are developed outside of the US. Apple has done well, no doubt. I wouldn't say that's BECAUSE of great tax rates, etc. etc.

Your point is valid. They make more profits because of outsourcing but all the design and innovation has happened here in the US. That is why every Apple product says "Designed in the USA."

Apple would still be successful without outsourcing and there are many companies who outsource and have failed. All it has done is lower costs and increased profits. Innovation has not been aided by outsourcing. Maybe you can say we've seen innovation in manufacturing because of it. But that's all.

 

[Spectrum Abuser]

A 500MB data package with rollover data would be perfect. Stay off cellular data as much as you can for the first few months and after that start using it as you need it. Before you know it you'll have several GBs stacked up. That way in case you have a bad month where you use a lot of cellular data the bill will still be the same.

 

[lordofthereef]

Apple would still be successful without outsourcing and there are many companies who outsource and have failed.

I would strongly argue against this. They would either have to drastically drop their profit margins are drastically raise their prices. IMO, the latter wouldn't fly with consumers, the prior wouldn't fly with investors. I think almost all producers of consumer products that have any sort of chip in them (be that a radio or an 8 core computer) would utterly fail without outsourcing.

 

[Dmunjal]

You do realize Apple only started outsourcing in the late 90s? They and other companies innovated quite well without outsourcing.

 

[bigchief]

you need to learn that big corporations are there to squeeze every penny out of you and maximize their profits. and the role of the US government is not for the people and by the people but for the corporations and by the corporations. if you want a roll over data then you need to move to places where the government actually cares about its citizens, like the EU.

You need to learn if it were not for corporations you wouldn't have an iPhone. EU? Isn't that the place where everything is fixing to implode because of their governments actions?

 

[lordofthereef]

You do realize Apple only started outsourcing in the late 90s? They and other companies innovated quite well without outsourcing.

Certainly. An, as far as most are concerned, they have only really truly been relevant for the past 10 years... They wouldn't be any of what they are today if they stayed 100% in the US...

And we are in a far different climate NOW than we were in the 90s. I am not saying innovation could never happen without outsourcing. I am saying that, because of the economy it has created, in today's age, is is basically essential to havea successful company the thrives from selling products.

 

[Dmunjal]

I would say their stock price would not be where it is without outsourcing. But the products would exist the same.

 

[Weaselboy]

EU government in the US would be nice.

Do you not read the newspaper?

 

[AWallen90]

Do you not read the newspaper?

Of course I don't read the newspaper. My comment was in regards to how the governments treat communications companies, IE wireless provider in the US vs wireless provider in EU.